1233 Gregg Araki’s Teen Apocalypse Trilogy

[mhofmann]

sometimes Criterion can also "save" an old DVD release : remember the amazing picture quality of Todd Haynes's "Safe".

Meh. The underlying master of Safe used by Criterion is fantastic but the encoding on that Blu-ray is rather suboptimal, if not to say bad. The grain on there is not well-represented grain but thousands of swarming artifacts in each frame, instead.

[tenia]

You also *cannot* "rescue" a filtered restoration. If it's baked in the source, it's baked in the source. Even Radiance had to deal with meh masters. The only possibility is to manage to get a digital file more upstream in the restoration flow, like going back to the raw scan, like Arrow did withe the Bruce Lee movies.
If Strand's Suzhou River BD is filtered and Radiance isn't, AFAIK, it's most certainly because either Strand's encode is rubbish and Radiance isn't, or that Strand filtered the movie specifically for their release but Radiance didn't.

Also, the Gaumont stories are of a different kind : Gaumont used to commission 2 masters, one degrained and one untouched. So in their case, there were 2 sources.
Madame de is yet another different story, as the restoration was FUBAR, and they got it redone (at least once).

[Rupert Pupkin]

You also *cannot* "rescue" a filtered restoration. If it's baked in the source, it's baked in the source. Even Radiance had to deal with meh masters. The only possibility is to manage to get a digital file more upstream in the restoration flow, like going back to the raw scan, like Arrow did withe the Bruce Lee movies.
If Strand's Suzhou River BD is filtered and Radiance isn't, AFAIK, it's most certainly because either Strand's encode is rubbish and Radiance isn't, or that Strand filtered the movie specifically for their release but Radiance didn't.

Also, the Gaumont stories are of a different kind : Gaumont used to commission 2 masters, one degrained and one untouched. So in their case, there were 2 sources.
Madame de is yet another different story, as the restoration was FUBAR, and they got it redone (at least once).

I understand; I should have wait for the vidcaps but since this was an G.Araki box set. My fault. With G.Araki's entrance into the Criterion catalogue I was thinking that Criterion did something special for The Doom Generation and that the transfert won't be just a carbon copy of the Strand release. Since "The Doom Generation" released by Strand (which I bought) was released last year, I was expecting (in fact I should have just hoping and burn candles) from Criterion to get their hold on the restoration before he got filtered by Strand when they release the blu-ray. Of course I did not know when the grain was filtered that much (at which step of the restoration); and aif Strand release would permit to get an untouched master (but it implied that they agreed and that they kept this step before filtered the grain).
I have to add that the amazon WEB 4K restoration (the Strand release) looks exactly like the Strand blu-ray so I should have been more suspicious about it.