821 Dr. Strangelove, or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb

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Re: 821 Dr. Strangelove

#76 Post by djproject » Fri Jul 01, 2016 6:33 am

The Fanciful Norwegian wrote:
djproject wrote:Apparently there was a lot more expository dialogue and "bigger picture" scenes about its main topic.
You should check out the early draft of the script, written by Kubrick and Peter George before Southern came aboard. I know dialogue can be a lot punchier in the hands of actors than it looks on the page (and Strangelove's dialogue in particular needs Peter Sellers' voice), but geez, it just goes on and on. The Ambassador's explanation of the Doomsday Machine reads like someone presenting a paper at a conference.
To use a line from The Commitments: "And it's a start. I believe in starts. Once you have it, the rest is inevitable." The first draft definitely lays the groundwork for it. And it was a good thing that Stanley was one to go for the better option =D.

It also reminds me of how my father could imagine the way Kubrick worked where he would "prune" his films and it does help to have more to start and to trim. (This is why I think A.I., admirable as it was, didn't really work as I felt it was Spielberg trying to showcase everything Stanley did whereas he should have picked elements he liked and called it his own.)

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Re: 821 Dr. Strangelove

#77 Post by Ribs » Wed Jul 06, 2016 10:23 am

Blu-ray.com giving this a perfect score for video despite it only getting 4/5 for the same transfer seven years ago. Guess that very slightly better monochrome scheme makes a big difference?
I think that it is rather odd that so many people like Dr. Strangelove or: How I learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb because it is a great comedy. I never thought that it was a particularly funny film.

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Re: 821 Dr. Strangelove

#78 Post by domino harvey » Wed Jul 06, 2016 10:54 am

I don't think it's funny either, not sure that's all that controversial

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Re: 821 Dr. Strangelove

#79 Post by tenia » Wed Jul 06, 2016 11:18 am

There actually isnt a better monochrome, it was just another case of crappy Beaver caps.
As for the movie, I do find it quite funny.

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Re: 821 Dr. Strangelove

#80 Post by hearthesilence » Wed Jul 06, 2016 12:28 pm

The phone call alone is hysterical - Peter Sellers is funny throughout the whole film even though two of his three roles are basically straight men compared to the other loonies in the movie.

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Re: 821 Dr. Strangelove

#81 Post by colinr0380 » Wed Jul 06, 2016 12:32 pm

It reminds me of what my father said about it once: it's funny because its true.

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Re: 821 Dr. Strangelove

#82 Post by Roger Ryan » Wed Jul 06, 2016 12:41 pm

If droll absurdities rolled out in perfectly-timed dead-pan line deliveries is your thing (it's mine), then Dr. Strangelove is the funniest film ever made. That it can be frightening as well is a bonus.

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Re: 821 Dr. Strangelove

#83 Post by domino harvey » Wed Jul 06, 2016 12:51 pm

I imagine more people like this film than don't, and of those almost all probably find it funny-- I didn't mean to inspire a roll call! I was merely pointing out that on a subjective matter like finding a movie funny (or not), it doesn't really hold to use that criticism as a point of ridicule, which was my impression from the post

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Re: 821 Dr. Strangelove

#84 Post by colinr0380 » Wed Jul 06, 2016 12:56 pm

Don't tell me you prefer Soft Beds, Hard Battles domino!

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Re: 821 Dr. Strangelove

#85 Post by domino harvey » Wed Jul 06, 2016 1:00 pm

Never even heard of it, but that cast makes it look like an international production that sat on the shelf for a decade! I don't find Sellers funny at all, really, even in films I like, such as the World of Henry Orient, so I'm sure that's a big part of it as well

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Re: 821 Dr. Strangelove

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Re: 821 Dr. Strangelove

#87 Post by swo17 » Thu Jul 07, 2016 5:33 pm

That point was missed when the review was originally posted here. Pro-B doesn't think the film fails as a comedy (like domino), rather, he doesn't even see it as a comedy. Note the full quote concluding his review:
I think that it is rather odd that so many people like Dr. Strangelove or: How I learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb because it is a great comedy. I never thought that it was a particularly funny film. I think that it works because the fear and paranoia that permeate it are effectively used to deliver some very serious warnings.
One wonders how he would react to Fail-Safe.

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Re: 821 Dr. Strangelove

#88 Post by domino harvey » Thu Jul 07, 2016 5:37 pm

Yes, it's clear the quote in Ribs' post was out of context, though I object to any film reviewer calling a movie "dated" far more than his larger point about it being 2 spooky 4 him 2 laff

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Re: 821 Dr. Strangelove

#89 Post by swo17 » Thu Jul 07, 2016 5:47 pm

He actually says that it should feel dated (because it revels in a very specific political climate) but doesn't.
Dr. Strangelove comes from a different era, but I don't think that it feels dated. It is a very, very relevant reminder that as long as there are powerful ideological rivals the threat of nuclear holocaust remains.

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Re: 821 Dr. Strangelove

#90 Post by domino harvey » Thu Jul 07, 2016 5:53 pm

Wow, how did I completely misread that? Mea culpa

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Re: Dr. Strangelove on DVD and Blu-ray

#91 Post by copen » Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:22 pm

Dr. Strangelove demonstration reel with SK narration, and alternate takes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6OoWeHrWPg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Dr. Strangelove on DVD and Blu-ray

#92 Post by Roger Ryan » Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:44 am

copen wrote:Dr. Strangelove demonstration reel with SK narration, and alternate takes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6OoWeHrWPg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
This is included on the Criterion release as "Exhibition Trailer" - the most surprising extra and a real delight. I love how Kubrick feels the need to repeatedly emphasize that there will be more coverage of the action in the finished edit. Since the takes shown are mostly masters (and not always the takes used in the finished film), you get a real sense of how the final edit sharpened the comedy and pacing. Perhaps the most interesting moment is when Sellers as Mandrake explains that there is "nothing wrong" with his bodily fluids as he pulls his lower eyelids down for General Ripper to see the whites of his eyes. In the final edit, Kubrick chose to stay on a close-up of Sterling Hayden during all of this, so Sellers' actions were never seen.

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Re: 821 Dr. Strangelove

#93 Post by copen » Wed Aug 17, 2016 1:24 pm

This "demonstration reel", as Kubrick calls it at the end of his narration seems like it would be a big selling point for the criterion issue. But most reviews just mention it in passing. I don't think they realize what it is.


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Re: 821 Dr. Strangelove

#95 Post by tenia » Sat Aug 20, 2016 11:28 am

Yes, the (small) booklet explains that the OCN has been destroyed since it was rendered pretty much useless. Here is what is printed in the booklet :

"Because of overprinting and damage created at the time of its theatrical release, the OCN of Dr. Strangelove was destroyed at the laboratory fifty years ago. As a result, a combination of elements, including 35mm fine-grain master positives, duplicate negatives, and prints, were used for this digital transfer, which was created in 4K resolution on an Oxberry wet-gate film scanner at Cineric in New York in 2004. Given the condition of the many elements; the fact that they represented different manufacturing generations from the original camera negative, resulting in wide variations in density and contrast; and the need to maintain the filmmakers' aesthetic intentions, it was determined that the only way to restore the film properly was in a full 4K digital space. Daniel DeVincent, Cineric's director of digital restoration, created lookup tables designed to optimize the scanner for each element and achieve the dynamic range of 35mm film. Under the supervision of Grover Crisp, initial color correction was carried out by DeVincent, with additional color correction done by Scott Ostrowsky at Technicolor and Colorwors in Los Angeles."

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Re: 821 Dr. Strangelove

#96 Post by Rayon Vert » Mon Apr 10, 2017 11:22 pm

Criterion goofed on the images accompanying the interview with scholar Rodney Hill. I don't have the means to take screen captures off the blu ray but at one point there's a shot of an image of Freud and Jung with four other analysts. They label these two as Freud (left) and Jung (right):
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But Freud is actually the guy on the bottom left of the full picture (I don't know who the middle guy is):
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Google is showing that a lot of websites have made this mistake but I'm surprised that Criterion wouldn't catch this given how Freud is easily recognizable.

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Re: 821 Dr. Strangelove

#97 Post by hearthesilence » Mon Apr 10, 2017 11:33 pm

No fans of A Dangerous Method on staff, I suppose. (Viggo didn't shave himself bald.)

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Re: 821 Dr. Strangelove

#98 Post by DeprongMori » Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:26 am

Rayon Vert wrote:Criterion goofed on the images accompanying the interview with scholar Rodney Hill. I don't have the means to take screen captures off the blu ray but at one point there's a shot of an image of Freud and Jung with four other analysts. They label these two as Freud (left) and Jung (right):
This was taken at Clark University in Worcester, MA (my alma mater) in 1909, during Freud's only visit to the United States upon G. Stanley Hall's invitation. From left (front): Sigmund Freud, G. Stanley Hall, Carl Jung; (back): Abraham A. Brill, Ernest Jones, and Sandor Ferenczi.

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Re: 821 Dr. Strangelove

#99 Post by colinr0380 » Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:37 pm

It brings a whole new meaning to a Freudian slip!


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