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 Post subject: Re: Olive Films
PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 4:00 pm 

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I wanted to buy the Signature Quiet Man now, so that it comes here until St. Patrick's Day and I'm furious it's currently avaiable at amazon only for prime members!


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 Post subject: Re: Olive Films
PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:51 pm 
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You can still buy it from one of the other sellers (including importcds, forum's preferred olive dealer) and it should be there on time. But yes, weird and douchey move by Amazon.


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 Post subject: Re: Olive Films
PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:54 pm 
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Amazon is having a feud with Olive, most of their releases have been out of stock for the last month. It's actually been a boon for me finally getting rid of some Olive titles on the Marketplace, though!


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 Post subject: Re: Olive Films
PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:07 pm 

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Shrew wrote:
You can still buy it from one of the other sellers (including importcds, forum's preferred olive dealer) and it should be there on time. But yes, weird and douchey move by Amazon.


well, it's much more expensive for me (the shipping) who live in Europe.


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 Post subject: Re: Olive Films
PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:02 pm 
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Looks like Olive is the mystery US company that has the Walerian Borowczyk films and they are releasing them in April:

Walerian Borowczyk Short Film Collection

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• Introduction by filmmaker Terry Gilliam
• Film is not a Sausage: Borowczyk’s Short Films – Interview program featuring Borowczyk, producer Dominique Duvergé-Ségrétin, assistant André Heinrich and composer Bernard Parmegiani

Featuring fifteen of Walerian Borowczyk’s (Theatre of Mr. & Mrs. Kabal) short films and animated treasures, the Short Films Collection includes:

The Concert (1962) aka Le Concert de M. et Mme. Kabal
The Astronauts (1959) aka Les Astronautes
Angels’ Games (1964) aka Les Jeux des Anges
Renaissance (1963)
Joachim’s Dictionary (1965) aka Le Dictionnaire de Joachim
The Greatest Love of All Time (1978) aka L’Amour Monstre de tous les temps
Diptyque (1967)
Grandma’s Encyclopedia (1963) aka L’encyclopedie de Grand-Maman
Venus on the Half-Shell (1975) aka Escargot de Venus
Gavotte (1967)
The Phonograph (1969) aka Le Phonograph
Rosalie (1966)
Scherzo Infernal (1984)
A Private Collection Uncensored aka Une Collection Particulière – Uncensored (1973)
A Private Collection Short Version aka Une Collection Particulière – Short Version (1973)


Blanche
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• Introduction by director Leslie Megahey
• Ballad of Imprisonment: Blanche – Interview program featuring producer Dominique Duvergé-Ségrétin, assistant director André Heinrich, camera operator Noël Véry and assistant Patrice Leconte


Goto Island of Love
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• Introduction by artist and Turner Prize nominee Craigie Horsfield
• The Concentration Universe: Goto, Isle of Love – Interview program featuring actor Jean-Pierre Andréani, co-writer Dominique Duvergé-Ségrétin, cameraman Noël Véry and camera assistant Jean-Pierre Platel


Theatre of Mr. and Mrs. Kabal
(No extras listed)

and the non-Borowczyk releases for April:
Ophelia (Claude Chabrol)

World's Most Beautiful Swindlers
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NOTE: The Amsterdam segment, A River of Diamonds (directed by Roman Polanski), which was featured in original theatrical release of The World’s Most Beautiful Swindlers, has been removed from presentations of the film at the request of the director.


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 Post subject: Re: Olive Films
PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:05 pm 
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Jesus, those last two were amongst the first announcements of forthcoming Olive releases... as in, when the label actually started. Can't wait!

EDIT: What a bunch of bullshit that they removed the Polanski segment. Something to do with his ex-gf who stars in it?


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 Post subject: Re: Olive Films
PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:07 pm 
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And I assume they mean beastiality intact by uncensored.


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 Post subject: Re: Olive Films
PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:11 pm 
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I don't know how they could. I assume that there is an even more censored cut and the uncensored is uncut except for that.


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 Post subject: Re: Olive Films
PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:12 pm 
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It seems to suggest that it is the uncensored version of the uncensored cut.


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 Post subject: Re: Olive Films
PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:14 pm 
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I mean, they're busy editing out the best segment of a portmanteau film they've been sitting on for almost a decade, I wouldn't take anything for granted


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 Post subject: Re: Olive Films
PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:17 pm 
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knives wrote:
It seems to suggest that it is the uncensored version of the uncensored cut.


If it is, they'd have to have gone back to 35mm basics and rescanned the original neg, as Arrow had to censor their digital master for legal reasons. This isn't normal or desirable practice, obviously, but since even possession of unsimulated bestiality footage is illegal in the UK, they didn't have a choice.

So if they used the Arrow master, it will be the same presentation with the four contentious shots blacked out.


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 Post subject: Re: Olive Films
PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:24 pm 
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I wonder if they realize that, in theory, this would be a huge selling point. In theory.


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 Post subject: Re: Olive Films
PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:28 pm 
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swo17 wrote:
I wonder if they realize that, in theory, this would be a huge selling point. In theory.
Probably not. Thanks Michael for the explanation. I assumed that the black box was done in house meaning Arrow's master scan wouldn't have that. Interesting how these things work out.

Bring on another Chabrol though!


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 Post subject: Re: Olive Films
PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:01 pm 
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Nevermind


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 Post subject: Re: Olive Films
PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 3:51 am 
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IFC had nothing to do with this package - Olive licensed it directly from Ligia Borowczyk and Argos Films. IFC only ever had the US rights to Immoral Tales and The Beast. I've no idea where the "all but guaranteed to come from Criterion" rumour came from, but then again I've known about the Olive deal for something like two or three years now, so this was clearly never going to happen.

In fact, this is one of the reasons why we crammed as many non-film-specific extras from the big box onto the US editions of Immoral Tales and The Beast as we could - we had to reauthor those discs anyway to remove the original supporting shorts, and we knew that Arrow wouldn't be able to release Blanche et al, so it made sense to port across things like the big Borowczyk interview from that disc.


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 Post subject: Re: Olive Films
PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 4:18 am 
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MichaelB wrote:
IFC had nothing to do with this package - Olive licensed it directly from Ligia Borowczyk and Argos Films. IFC only ever had the US rights to Immoral Tales and The Beast. I've no idea where the "all but guaranteed to come from Criterion" rumour came from, but then again I've known about the Olive deal for something like two or three years now, so this was clearly never going to happen.
My apologies, I mixed up the two films that IFC licensed with these Olive titles. Carry on, and ignore my previous post!

I must've been very confused, as it appears Arrow US already released these (IFC's rights were only for streaming then?).


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 Post subject: Re: Olive Films
PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 6:33 am 
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MichaelB wrote:
knives wrote:
It seems to suggest that it is the uncensored version of the uncensored cut.


If it is, they'd have to have gone back to 35mm basics and rescanned the original neg, as Arrow had to censor their digital master for legal reasons. This isn't normal or desirable practice, obviously, but since even possession of unsimulated bestiality footage is illegal in the UK, they didn't have a choice.

So if they used the Arrow master, it will be the same presentation with the four contentious shots blacked out.


Well, we, er, wait with bated breath for the news. :o


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 Post subject: Re: Olive Films
PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:00 am 
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MichaelB wrote:
IFC had nothing to do with this package - Olive licensed it directly from Ligia Borowczyk and Argos Films. IFC only ever had the US rights to Immoral Tales and The Beast. I've no idea where the "all but guaranteed to come from Criterion" rumour came from, but then again I've known about the Olive deal for something like two or three years now, so this was clearly never going to happen.

In fact, this is one of the reasons why we crammed as many non-film-specific extras from the big box onto the US editions of Immoral Tales and The Beast as we could - we had to reauthor those discs anyway to remove the original supporting shorts, and we knew that Arrow wouldn't be able to release Blanche et al, so it made sense to port across things like the big Borowczyk interview from that disc.

who has the uk rights for Blanche?


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 Post subject: Re: Olive Films
PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:53 am 
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Arrow, obviously. It came out three years ago.


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 Post subject: Re: Olive Films
PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:32 pm 
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Olive issued a correction about their A Private Collection announcement:
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Correction issued for one of the blue in the Olive Films April announcement!

Correction:

To clarify some confusion involving the announcement made on Friday, Olive Films has issued a correction to the DVD and Blu-ray of Walerian Borowczyk - Short Films.

Please change all instances of:

"A Private Collection Uncensored aka Une Collection Particulière – Uncensored (1973)"
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"A Private Collection Long Version Censored aka Une Collection Particulière – Version Longue Censored (1973)"

Though the short in question is the long cut of A Private Collection with a running time of 14:20, we are releasing the censored version in accordance with our licensed material and previously released DVD and Blu-ray versions.


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 Post subject: Re: Olive Films
PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 5:22 pm 
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Not remotely surprising. I know bestiality laws vary from state to state, but Olive doesn't strike me as the kind of label who'd be comfortable about distributing such material.

(The four shots in question consist of close-ups of a dog fucking a woman, clearly for real. I was hoping to get away with blurring or pixelation, but the BBFC advised me that this was a legal grey area, so we ended up blacking out the shots altogether so as not to mess up the editing rhythms.)


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 Post subject: Re: Olive Films
PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:30 am 
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Well, that's disappointing (but I suppose to be expected). Where are all the hardcore libertarians when one needs them? I certainly sympathise with the view that this sort of unsavoury material is best kept out of the market with no exceptions, but censorship is still censorship and clearly it defeats the director's intention for this (what, century-old?) footage to be blacked out. I guess it's fair to presume now that an uncensored version will never see the light of day.


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 Post subject: Re: Olive Films
PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:42 am 
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One thing that's worth bearing in mind is that there's no evidence that Borowczyk ever intended this version of the film to get commercial distribution - it was made purely to shock film festival audiences.

He knew perfectly well that it was most likely legally undistributable, which is why he not only made two versions but planned from the outset that this would be the case (since in some cases he shot different versions of various shots - for instance, thumbs obscuring forbidden body parts that are fully exposed in the longer cut).


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 Post subject: Re: Olive Films
PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 1:22 am 
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it was made purely to shock film festival audiences.


This reminds me of an infamous event from the Giornate del Cinema Muto, when several patrons fled a late-night screening of some vintage pornographic films (the exact contents of the screening were unadvertised) when one of the films featured a woman—how shall I put this?—fucking a duck.


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 Post subject: Re: Olive Films
PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 1:49 am 
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Word of warning: Don't ever click "related images" after a Google image search on Borowczyk. :shock:


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