I often reads Movie-censorphip.com and yes, I've seen this kind of cut for lower UK ratings almost on a weekly basis : The Equalizer 2 has been cut in the UK to secure a 15, while Red Sparrow just got released on video in the UK with its censored cut. I also remember about The Avengers having the Loki / Coulson scene altered in the UK to tone down the graphic violence in both the theaters and the video releases, and I definitely remember seeing the difference and wondering if I dreamt it or not (because it seemed like such a little detail).
The 3 Maze Runner were also cut in theaters and on DVD, but not on BD. Brawl in Cell Block 99 was also cut but only in theaters.
It seems like the majority of the time, it has to do with toning down gore and violence.
TMDaines wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 22, 2018 5:54 am
This is a natural consequence of the system the BBFC adopts where it is happy to encourage the censorship of art for the betterment of the bottom line.
I understand this is a silly situation, but the arguments need to be made in a neutral manner, not in such an obviously biased way. You're shifting the blame because you obviously think the BBFC system is flawed to death and that anything linked to BBFC ratings (or possibly just ratings) is the ratings' fault.
"Censorship of art" and toning down the gore in The Equalizer 2 ? What art ? The simple fact the studios are prioritising cutting the movie over making less money is making quite obvious how this is just a filler consumable products, far removed from any artistic consideration (and this is without discussion the artistic merits of the cut bits). Actually, I'm not even sure independant movies are cut this way (all the above exemples are from big studios).
Maybe the issue rather lies with the studios who don't care about their movies' integrity and prefer to cut them without hesitation just to secure a lower rating, because they didn't even realise what they greenlit would get this kind of ratings in the first place.
We've had a recent case in France with Green Room. Wild Bunch paid a lot to buy the movie, and expected not to be rated 16+ thanks to their connections with people working in the classification board. Except they didn't, because the movie is a clear 16+ as such, and they had to discreetly cut the goriest shots to secure a "12+ with warning" rating. But the movie tanked anyway, and the lower rating had basically no effect whatsoever on the BO. In the end, the distributor ended up re-editing the movie for no result, just because they mis-apprehended the rating the movie it would get, but the rating board doesn't have to do anything with it.
They finally released the movie uncut on BD (the DVD is still cut), advertising it as a "director's cut" and with a 16+ rating. Why did this happen ? Well, because Wild Bunch paid a lot for Green Room, expecting not to get a 16+ rating because they have connections within the classification board... except it didn't work...
In the UK, the movie was passed 18, uncut. Simply.
The funniest is that these people went on to create The Jokers (another distribution company) and showed the exact same incompetence with Brimstone, for which they paid a lot when everyone was telling them not to pay so much, because the movie would get a 16+ rating... and it did get a 16+ rating. At least, this time, they released it uncut.