Kino
- EddieLarkin
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Re: Kino
I think Minkin is referring to the fact that there are two competing restoration projects of the Keaton shorts. One, from Lobster Films and David Shepard's Blackhawk Films, and the other from Cohen and the Cineteca di Bologna. More details here.
This Kino set is of the Lobster restorations, whilst presumably Cohen will in the future release their own set. And like with Nosferatu, Birth of a Nation and Man with a Movie Camera, the BFI and Eureka could licence one set each.
This Kino set is of the Lobster restorations, whilst presumably Cohen will in the future release their own set. And like with Nosferatu, Birth of a Nation and Man with a Movie Camera, the BFI and Eureka could licence one set each.
- Drucker
- Your Future our Drucker
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Re: Kino
Personally, I'm going to hold off for Masters of Cinema to release this on blu, especially since I have all of the other Keaton blus from Kino. I got my copy of the MOC set in 2013 and the label said "second edition" so I have to assume it's one of their better sellers. If upgrading Shoah made financial sense, hopefully it makes sense for this upgrade, too.
- Roger Ryan
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Apart from the Arbuckle film additions, the "alternate European edit" of The Blacksmith is something that was only recently discovered, after the 2011 Blu-ray set had come out. The set could definitely stand an upgrade: the more fully-restored version of Hard Luck should be on blu-ray and The Playhouse appeared to be up-scaled SD on the 2011 issue.pedromvu wrote:Since 3 discs of this new release contain the same films as the previous release I was just wondering if this are indeed from new restorations? new scores or something? I couldn't find much details.
EDIT: Checking the running time for Hard Luck, I see it is listed as being 23 minutes, two minutes longer than the non-restored version that appeared on the 2011 set. Hopefully, that means we're getting the fuller version complete with the fade-out gag.
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The release has the Lobster logo on the cover, so, yes, these should definitely be the new Lobster restorations.pedromvu wrote:Since 3 discs of this new release contain the same films as the previous release I was just wondering if this are indeed from new restorations? new scores or something? I couldn't find much details.
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Thanks, this is great then, seems Lobster track record is quite good seeing the already released Chaplin shorts and the Dziga Vertov films.
Now just hoping we will someday get the other restorations of his full length features (at least The General and Steamboat Bill Jr.) on home video, although I am not sure what is the situation with those since Cohen are the ones showing them Theatrically.
Now just hoping we will someday get the other restorations of his full length features (at least The General and Steamboat Bill Jr.) on home video, although I am not sure what is the situation with those since Cohen are the ones showing them Theatrically.
- Drucker
- Your Future our Drucker
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- Tommaso
- Joined: Fri May 19, 2006 10:09 am
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Wow! Fantastic news. "Gold" has been available for some time from IHF, and it didn't look too bad for what was more or less a public domain version. But I'm sure this new Kino release will be the one to go for, even on DVD. I'm just surprised that this is coming at all. There were absolutely no news about it having been restored by FWMS or anyone else. And you don't see international releases of 1930s German films too often, anyway.
Now I wonder whether this was the 'mystery film' that MoC bought during the Berlinale. Still hoping for "Der müde Tod", of course, but I could well imagine (read: hope) that MoC will be doing "Gold" as well. It's a cool film with a lot of star power and a nice Science Fiction-plot (well, sort of), too.
Now I wonder whether this was the 'mystery film' that MoC bought during the Berlinale. Still hoping for "Der müde Tod", of course, but I could well imagine (read: hope) that MoC will be doing "Gold" as well. It's a cool film with a lot of star power and a nice Science Fiction-plot (well, sort of), too.
- Tommaso
- Joined: Fri May 19, 2006 10:09 am
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Sure. But if it comes to Harlan, "Opfergang" is the first thing to look for. The most freakin' unbelievable thing ever produced in Germany in terms of its end-of-the-world aestheticism and over-the-top dialogues. Slavoj Zizek seems to be a huge fan of it, too.L.A. wrote:Jud Süß (1940) on Blu-ray would be nice.
- domino harvey
- Dot Com Dom
- Joined: Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:42 pm
Re: Kino
Mister Lime said they only acquired Gold so they could release it alongside the Magnetic Monster since that film apparently borrows certain shots
- L.A.
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Haven't heard of Opfergang before. Thanks for the tip.Tommaso wrote:Sure. But if it comes to Harlan, "Opfergang" is the first thing to look for. The most freakin' unbelievable thing ever produced in Germany in terms of its end-of-the-world aestheticism and over-the-top dialogues. Slavoj Zizek seems to be a huge fan of it, too.L.A. wrote:Jud Süß (1940) on Blu-ray would be nice.
- jsteffe
- Joined: Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:00 am
- Location: Atlanta, GA
Re: Kino
I just saw the newish 35mm print of JE T'AIME JE T'AIME by Alain Resnais, and it looks radically different from the bluish Kino Lorber Blu-ray/DVD edition. Presumably this has to do with whatever master that was supplied to Kino Lorber.
The print was not bluish at all. It has nicely balanced colors and normal flesh tones. Jean Boffety's photography really gleams in places. If anything the print tends toward the warm side, and some individual shots even look a bit yellowish - I suspect that this had to do with yellow filters applied for color correction.
The old French Montparnasse DVD is closer to how the print looks color-wise, though that DVD is lacking in detail and not ultimately satisfactory either.
If anyone else releases this wonderful film on Blu-ray--and I hope they do--they will probably need to redo the color timing from scratch.
The print was not bluish at all. It has nicely balanced colors and normal flesh tones. Jean Boffety's photography really gleams in places. If anything the print tends toward the warm side, and some individual shots even look a bit yellowish - I suspect that this had to do with yellow filters applied for color correction.
The old French Montparnasse DVD is closer to how the print looks color-wise, though that DVD is lacking in detail and not ultimately satisfactory either.
If anyone else releases this wonderful film on Blu-ray--and I hope they do--they will probably need to redo the color timing from scratch.
- hearthesilence
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Re: Kino
Jesus, what's with this trend of cooling down the color palette for BD release? Ugh.jsteffe wrote:I just saw the newish 35mm print of JE T'AIME JE T'AIME by Alain Resnais, and it looks radically different from the bluish Kino Lorber Blu-ray/DVD edition. Presumably this has to do with whatever master that was supplied to Kino Lorber.
- tenia
- Ask Me About My Bassoon
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Re: Kino
There seems to be a trend in some restoration houses (Bologna, Digimages and Eclair) on color movies which output debatable color-grading.hearthesilence wrote:Jesus, what's with this trend of cooling down the color palette for BD release? Ugh.jsteffe wrote:I just saw the newish 35mm print of JE T'AIME JE T'AIME by Alain Resnais, and it looks radically different from the bluish Kino Lorber Blu-ray/DVD edition. Presumably this has to do with whatever master that was supplied to Kino Lorber.
I don't know why, I don't understand the pattern of it either, but the results are there : Arrow had their share of issues with a few of their restorations (the 2 Black Cats movies, Solange, and Deep Red, so much they had to perform additional color corrections) which suffer from poor black levels and a trend towards yellow, the main bulk of what Gaumont is releasing since 2 years in their Gaumont Découverte collection has a yellow bias, and we all know the infamous TGTBTU new color timing (plus the OUATIA long cut one).
I've been told that the issues at Eclair could come from monitors which aren't calibrated frequently enough anymore. That and DoP's approving things they shouldn't approved (either because it's not their own work or because it seems their memories aren't precise enough anymore).
- med
- Joined: Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:58 pm
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Especially irritating is when scenes from the film appear in the supplemental material, the blue tint is absent and everyone has normal-looking skin tones. (The image quality in these clips is inferior in every other respect, however.)hearthesilence wrote:Jesus, what's with this trend of cooling down the color palette for BD release? Ugh.jsteffe wrote:I just saw the newish 35mm print of JE T'AIME JE T'AIME by Alain Resnais, and it looks radically different from the bluish Kino Lorber Blu-ray/DVD edition. Presumably this has to do with whatever master that was supplied to Kino Lorber.
- jsteffe
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- Location: Atlanta, GA
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I don't enough about what kind of work was actually done on JE T'AIME JE T'AIME and what motivated the color timing decisions, only that I personally don't think it is as convincing as what I saw on the 35mm print.tenia wrote: [...]we all know the infamous TGTBTU new color timing (plus the OUATIA long cut one).
For me the color timing on THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY is different. It's aesthetically motivated by the film's status as a stylized Western. I thought the "new" color scheme worked fine. Apparently Bologna based it on a reference print from the original Italian release. In terms of film restoration methodology, that is a legitimate decision even if it is not how most of us know the film.
It is also possible that the look on the JE T'AIME JE T'AIME Blu-ray is historically justified in the same way, though I don't imagine myself wanting to watch the film in that way again.
- Drucker
- Your Future our Drucker
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Re: Kino
Beaver reviews the new Keaton shorts set.
Those screen caps look all over the place, with some looking almost scrubbed, others looking rich. I enjoyed the old Kino set, so I'm hoping the MOC package is a real upgrade (and fixes a few of the framing issues that appeared on that set.)
Those screen caps look all over the place, with some looking almost scrubbed, others looking rich. I enjoyed the old Kino set, so I'm hoping the MOC package is a real upgrade (and fixes a few of the framing issues that appeared on that set.)
- Roger Ryan
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I was hoping the screen caps from this new Blu-ray set would be compared with ones from the Kino Blu-ray set issued five years ago. Having recently re-watched selections from the older set, it looks like the image quality for The Playhouse is definitely improved on the new set whereas the screen cap from Cops looks a little poorer than how that short looked on the earlier Blu-ray.Drucker wrote:Beaver reviews the new Keaton shorts set.
Those screen caps look all over the place, with some looking almost scrubbed, others looking rich. I enjoyed the old Kino set, so I'm hoping the MOC package is a real upgrade (and fixes a few of the framing issues that appeared on that set.)