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 Post subject: Re: Artificial Eye
PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:51 am 
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Brad Stevens responded that he finds that setting sharpness to 0 helps "not enough to prevent the Blu-rays looking grainier than the standard discs".


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 Post subject: Re: Artificial Eye
PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:22 am 
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No shit.


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 Post subject: Re: Artificial Eye
PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:49 am 
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That actually reminds me of some asinine comments along that same lines that gormlessly assumed that there was no way something non-digital (e.g. 35mm film) could have better resolution than something from a digital source, and thus there was no point getting a BluRay of a film unless it was shot digitally in the first place.
I come across this at least once a month: "But it wasn't filmed in high definition".


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 Post subject: Re: Artificial Eye
PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:43 am 
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Michael Kerpan wrote:
peerpee wrote:
It's really important he calibrates his equipment properly before he publicly shits on all "Blu-ray transfers of films from the pre-digital era".
FWIW., I asked him about this (on Facebook) -- no answer yet.

What is the intended purpose of the so-called "sharpness" control? (As it seems that it is a clear negative to set it to anything much above 0 -- at least when watching DVDs and Blu Rays).


Historically these controls were used to compensate for poor resolution/definition in older CRT designs. Nowadays it's just there to serve people who are used to looking at manipulated video.


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 Post subject: Re: Artificial Eye
PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:54 am 
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David M. wrote:
Historically these controls were used to compensate for poor resolution/definition in older CRT designs. Nowadays it's just there to serve people who are used to looking at manipulated video.
Thanks!

All HD TVs should come with guides that provide simple language explanations of all the image-related controls one finds on the TV. ;~}


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 Post subject: Re: Artificial Eye
PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:12 pm 
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They should, but often they're translated from Japanese or Korean with interesting language.

The best advancement lately has been the THX Certified Display program. TVs that have gone through this have a "THX" picture mode, which attempts to hit studio standards for Greyscale, Colour gamut and Gamma. It also turns off the wacky motion smoothing tools. I'd prefer it went further and locked out the Noise Reduction feature, but hey.

Of course, even the manual writers managed to mis-describe this! Panasonic says it should be used with discs that have the THX logo on the box - when in reality it's the best mode to use if your TV hasn't been fully calibrated, because it attempts to hit industry standards that *ALL* professional content (not just stuff with George Lucas' blessing) is mastered to. Yet more confusion!


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 Post subject: Re: Artificial Eye
PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:26 pm 
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Michael Kerpan wrote:
Brad Stevens responded that he finds that setting sharpness to 0 helps "not enough to prevent the Blu-rays looking grainier than the standard discs".


The Fanciful Norwegian responds that the Baird 30-line televisor resolves even less grain than DVD, clearly it is the ideal format for these films


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 Post subject: Re: Artificial Eye
PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 1:07 pm 
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As for the Mizoguchis: some of the films are from battered, compromised sources, and to be honest I would have been simply delighted with DVD transfers, but the BluRay is certainly an improvement on SD, if only because it's that much truer to the battered source. Maybe you're just seeing the shortcomings of that source more clearly, but that's simply part of the provenance of these movies, which we're lucky to have in any form, and in my opinion warts-and-all is always going to be better than soft-focus-and-hope-everybody-mistakes-the-warts-for-beauty-spots.

Agreed - plus the better reaction to a release like this (as Bill Morrison's Decasia or Wong Kar-Wai's Hua Yang De Nian Hua short demonstrate in a more extreme fashion) is surely not depression at how many of the flaws of the original negative are more apparent with the greater resolution, but to say that the Blu release acts as an even better demonstration of the vital importance of film preservation. In other words it a problem with the negative rather than the home video format.

(Though Decasia is also getting at another issue, one of accepting the flaws, marks, scratches and deteriorations as being new additions to the pre-existing material!)


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 Post subject: Re: Artificial Eye
PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:36 pm 
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The Fanciful Norwegian wrote:
Jia didn't only shoot The World at 25fps, but also Unknown Pleasures (shot in SD 576i50) and Still Life (shot at 1080i50 with the Sony HVR-Z1, which was actually intended for television production and doesn't support 24p). I don't know what he's used for his subsequent features.


But, for the record, all 35mm prints of THE WORLD were screened globally at 24fps, so we went with 24fps on the MoC BD to recreate the theatrical experience, instead of making the BD 1080i 25fps to recreate TV screenings. This seems like a complete no-brainer in retrospect, but something which could easily go awry in Blu-ray/DVD production because the master was supplied at 25fps.


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 Post subject: Re: Artificial Eye
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:53 am 
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Schleinzer's MICHAEL and Sokurov's FAUST announced for Blu-ray release by AE!

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=8595
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=8598

Woohoo for 1080p!


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 Post subject: Re: Artificial Eye
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:37 am 
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Two definite purchases here also.

Would have already bought Michael on DVD if my discount code had worked the other day.


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 Post subject: Re: Artificial Eye
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:32 pm 
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Me three. Now I won't have to wait months for an indifferent Strand Releasing dump of Michael straight to standard def. And Cinema Guild has been teasing Faust in the U.S., but who knows when that will happen. Thanks A.I. for this double feature
[Reveal] Spoiler:
of the damned!


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 Post subject: Re: Artificial Eye
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:37 pm 
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Great news about Michael - I feared it would be DVD only - but the trailer for Faust is appalling. Hopefully the film's better.


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 Post subject: Re: Artificial Eye
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:50 pm 
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Faust the film is simultaneously appalling and beautiful. That trailer is preposterous though.


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 Post subject: Re: Artificial Eye
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:52 pm 
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I pity anyone who has to turn a Sokurov film into a trailer.


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 Post subject: Re: Artificial Eye
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:48 am 
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Forthcoming releases:
La Cérémonie (DVD only at the moment) [June 11th]
Corpo Celeste [DVD Only?) [June 25th]
Fallen Angels [July 9th] - The two amazon links each state DVD but I guess it's safe to assume one was meant to be Blu, and the price discrepancies back this up.
Faust (Blu-ray & DVD releases) [July 23rd]
Elles (Blu-ray & DVD releases) (August 23rd)


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 Post subject: Re: Artificial Eye
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:56 am 
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Michael Blu-ray


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 Post subject: Re: Artificial Eye
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:02 am 

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Just as I was away to purchase the Kino editions, AE announces their Fallen Angels Blu. Doesn't look like they're going to upgrade Happy Together though so I might as well get the Kino. I wonder if AE got the Blu-Ray rights to Tartan's Kar-Wai titles, like they seem to have with (at least some of) their Bergmans?


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 Post subject: Re: Artificial Eye
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:57 am 
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TMDaines wrote:

Whoa, great news!


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 Post subject: Re: Artificial Eye
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:14 pm 
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Calvin wrote:
I wonder if AE got the Blu-Ray rights to Tartan's Kar-Wai titles, like they seem to have with (at least some of) their Bergmans?

Ingmars, surely?

Less pedantically facetiously, which of Tartan's Bergman titles has Artificial Eye picked up? The ones they announced were among the few that weren't in Tartan's famous box set.


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 Post subject: Re: Artificial Eye
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:28 pm 
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Sawdust and Tinsel was a Tartan DVD release. I don't think any of the others on the Artificial Eye box set were.


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 Post subject: Re: Artificial Eye
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:04 pm 
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RossyG wrote:
Sawdust and Tinsel was a Tartan DVD release. I don't think any of the others on the Artificial Eye box set were.

Dreams was too, but like Sawdust and Tinsel only part of that massive (and prohibitively priced) Tartan set. It Rains On Our Love, A Ship Bound for India and So Close to Life are all making their on-disc debut in the UK.


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 Post subject: Re: Artificial Eye
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Calvin wrote:
I wonder if AE got the Blu-Ray rights to Tartan's Kar-Wai titles, like they seem to have with (at least some of) their Bergmans?

Ingmars, surely?



Sorry, I find Asian names very confusing (as in which is forename and which is surname)! Your question has already been answered but the AE "Classic Bergman Collection" is quite intriguing. Three of the titles weren't released by Tartan but what would make AE pursue Dreams and Sawdust and Tinsel? There isn't an immediate link between the included titles that jumps out at me. However, when I made my earlier comment I didn't realise that AE are releasing the set on DVD as well. Now I'm even more confused.


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 Post subject: Re: Artificial Eye
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Calvin wrote:
...what would make AE pursue Dreams and Sawdust and Tinsel? There isn't an immediate link between the included titles that jumps out at me.

I'm speculating but I imagine Dreams was attractive mainly because it was only previously available in the UK within the big Tartan box, so many potential buyers had to skip it. Sawdust and Tinsel did have a separate release but it was one of the last Bergmans Tartan issued (so perhaps fewer copies around) - and, at least when I was getting to know Bergman, it was regarded as one of his best films.


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 Post subject: Re: Artificial Eye
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:59 pm 
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Perhaps AE bought up all the Tartan Bergman titles rather than those two specific ones. Perhaps some are deemed worthy of standalone releases and others will be put into box sets.

Pure guess, mind.


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