The Mystery of the Phantom Web Pages

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Re: The Mystery of the Phantom Web Pages

#1251 Post by Costa » Thu May 03, 2018 4:31 pm

soundchaser wrote:It appears that the new Criterion website has done away with the cast/crew database entirely. Looks like phantom pages are, well, phantom.
so, we won't know before the official announcement the releases?
That's no fun.

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Re: The Mystery of the Phantom Web Pages

#1252 Post by Luke M » Thu May 03, 2018 9:20 pm

Last month was the first real month I was actively searching the phantom pages (pretty much know every major player in Bull Durham now) so this is disappointing.

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Re: The Mystery of the Phantom Web Pages

#1253 Post by HitchcockLang » Mon May 07, 2018 8:24 am

What's more disappointing is how helpful I found the cast/crew database for general research and for choosing what to buy.

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Re: The Mystery of the Phantom Web Pages

#1254 Post by FrauBlucher » Tue May 15, 2018 3:29 pm

Today, I’m going through phantom page withdrawal.
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Re: The Mystery of the Phantom Web Pages

#1255 Post by Ribs » Tue May 15, 2018 3:51 pm

I've got a sneaky theory I have a *new* release-day workaround, which is indicating upgrades might be announced for the Fugitive Kind and Heaven Can Wait, as well as five other to-be-announced new spines. We'll see if I'm crazy, and I'm also expecting this is a kink they'll not be repeating because it looks like an error.

Update: There's an HD clip of the latter now up, which should be a confirmation.

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Re: The Mystery of the Phantom Web Pages

#1256 Post by soundchaser » Tue May 15, 2018 3:59 pm

Ribs, theories are of little use without peer review.

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Re: The Mystery of the Phantom Web Pages

#1257 Post by Ribs » Tue May 15, 2018 4:03 pm

Yes, well, my thought was "this is dumb and is probably not true," but the HD clip is a double-hint so I'll share.

The filters dropdown currently has the following entries in the "countries" section:
• {"id":23333,"historic_country_id":232,"film_id":17998,"primary_flag":true}
• {"id":2379,"historic_country_id":232,"film_id":878,"primary_flag":true}
• {"id":43944,"historic_country_id":232,"film_id":28576,"primary_flag":true}
• {"id":44971,"historic_country_id":232,"film_id":27902,"primary_flag":true}
• {"id":45134,"historic_country_id":232,"film_id":29142,"primary_flag":true}
• {"id":45197,"historic_country_id":53,"film_id":29220,"primary_flag":true}
• {"id":45458,"historic_country_id":232,"film_id":29044,"primary_flag":null}

If you take the last set of numbers there (the "film id") and plug in the two smallest ones, they come up with those two films, and the rest are in the range where new titles would be added to the database. The country id also indicates that all but one of these are from the US.

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Re: The Mystery of the Phantom Web Pages

#1258 Post by Big Ben » Tue May 15, 2018 4:04 pm

Live feed of Ribs:

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Re: The Mystery of the Phantom Web Pages

#1259 Post by swo17 » Tue May 15, 2018 4:07 pm

27902 = Here Comes Mr. Jordan

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Re: The Mystery of the Phantom Web Pages

#1260 Post by Ribs » Tue May 15, 2018 4:08 pm

...could there be a "Heaven" box set or something with Heaven Can Wait, Matter of Life and Death, and Mr. Jordan? Seems weird to have that come up in this considering these two other similar titles.

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Re: The Mystery of the Phantom Web Pages

#1261 Post by jwd5275 » Tue May 15, 2018 4:12 pm

I found another spot with placeholders for
Altered States + Kelly Reichardt's first 3 films
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Re: The Mystery of the Phantom Web Pages

#1262 Post by Graphist » Tue May 15, 2018 4:13 pm

swo17 wrote:27902 = Here Comes Mr. Jordan
Where is this number taken from? Image

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Re: The Mystery of the Phantom Web Pages

#1263 Post by swo17 » Tue May 15, 2018 4:14 pm

Well, Heaven Can Wait now appears in the forthcoming section.

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Re: The Mystery of the Phantom Web Pages

#1264 Post by The Narrator Returns » Tue May 15, 2018 4:15 pm

Also, the forthcoming section's banner image appears to be from The Tree of Life.

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Re: The Mystery of the Phantom Web Pages

#1265 Post by Ribs » Tue May 15, 2018 4:16 pm

LOL, they pulled the BD extras from the listing for Heaven Can Wait but they absolutely were there 5 minutes ago.

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Re: The Mystery of the Phantom Web Pages

#1266 Post by dwk » Tue May 15, 2018 4:16 pm

jwd5275 wrote:I found another spot with placeholders for
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Altered States + 3 Kelly Reichardt's first 3 films
here is the page for the first one you mentioned (this is what you found?)


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Re: The Mystery of the Phantom Web Pages

#1268 Post by Ribs » Tue May 15, 2018 4:25 pm

Did you just plug in random numbers, or did you actually find a listing that brought you to those?

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Re: The Mystery of the Phantom Web Pages

#1269 Post by Drucker » Tue May 15, 2018 4:27 pm

Is it conceivable these will be digital-only under the Criterion area of Filmstruck?

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Re: The Mystery of the Phantom Web Pages

#1270 Post by jwd5275 » Tue May 15, 2018 4:29 pm

All films page in list form by spine #. They're at the bottom among the Zatoichis and Eclipse...

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Re: The Mystery of the Phantom Web Pages

#1271 Post by jwd5275 » Tue May 15, 2018 4:31 pm

They even come up in searches...

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Re: The Mystery of the Phantom Web Pages

#1272 Post by senseabove » Tue May 15, 2018 4:34 pm

Well, working backwards, these might throw something of a spanner in the works:
https://www.criterion.com/films/29500" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.criterion.com/films/29497" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Or if we get a Criterion re-release of 42nd Street before anyone releases Footlight Parade or Gold Diggers of 1933, I might start a riot. A very well-choreographed, symmetrical, hypnotically rhythmic riot.

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Re: The Mystery of the Phantom Web Pages

#1273 Post by Ribs » Tue May 15, 2018 4:37 pm

Those two titles have been added to Filmstruck *very* recently, so as of right now I think it's more likely weirdness re: future functionality and not an indication of future releases.

Here's everything in the range:

• 493 Deer Boy
• 495 Petulia
• 496 Black Jesus
• 497 Sunset Boulevard
• 498 Toby Dammit
• 499 Spark of Being
• 500 42nd Street
• 503 Meek’s Cutoff
• 504 River of Grass
• 505 Wendy and Lucy
• 506 Altered States

Deer Boy, a short from last year, probably the best indication this isn't actually anything.

As to what Here Comes Mr. Jordan or the Fugitive Kind had to with anything, is anybody's guess.

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Re: The Mystery of the Phantom Web Pages

#1274 Post by FrauBlucher » Tue May 15, 2018 4:43 pm

Meek's Cutoff is still in print through Oscilloscope. This is probably a filmstruck thing as well.

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Re: The Mystery of the Phantom Web Pages

#1275 Post by domino harvey » Tue May 15, 2018 8:08 pm

Petulia would be a perfect WB rescue, let's hope it is on the horizon

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