Auteur List: Howard Hawks - Discussion and Defenses

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Re: Auteur List: Howard Hawks - Discussion and Defenses

#326 Post by therewillbeblus » Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:08 pm

So we’ll get the results roughly six weeks from now?

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Re: Auteur List: Howard Hawks - Discussion and Defenses

#327 Post by domino harvey » Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:09 pm

Slim chance

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Re: Auteur List: Howard Hawks - Discussion and Defenses

#328 Post by domino harvey » Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:44 pm

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THE HOWARD HAWKS LIST

01 Only Angels Have Wings (1939) 24 (7)
02 His Girl Friday (1940) 23 (3)
03 Bringing Up Baby (1938) 23 (4)
04 Red River (1948) 22
05 the Big Sleep (1946) 21 (2)

06 Rio Bravo (1959) 19 (3)
07 To Have and Have Not (1944) 18
08 Twentieth Century (1934) 13 (1)
09 Gentlemen Prefer Blondes (1953) 15
10 Ball of Fire (1941) 13 (2)

11 Sergeant York (1942) 13 (2)
12 Air Force (1943) 15
13 I Was A Male War Bride (1949) 14 (1)
14 Scarface (1932) 13
15 A Song Is Born (1948) 7 (1)

16 El Dorado (1966) 8
16 Hatari! (1962) 6
18 Man’s Favorite Sport? (1964) 9
19 the Dawn Patrol (1930) 8
20 the Big Sky (1952) 4

21 Monkey Business (1952) 7
22 the Thing From Another World (1951) 3
23 Land of the Pharaohs (1955) 4
24 Ceiling Zero (1936) 4
25 the Road to Glory (1936) 3

# of ballots out of 26 voting for film (# of ballots with film listed in first place)

ALSO RANS
Viva Villa!, Come and Get It

ORPHANS
A Girl in Every Port, Barbary Coast, the Criminal Code, Fig Leaves, Red Line 7000, Rio Lobo, Tiger Shark

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Re: Auteur List: Howard Hawks - Discussion and Defenses

#329 Post by therewillbeblus » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:02 pm

Thanks, as always, for your efforts domino!

My list:

1. Twentieth Century
2. Only Angels Have Wings
3. Air Force
4. The Big Sleep
5. Sergeant York
6. Red River
7. Bringing Up Baby
8. A Song Is Born
9. The Big Sky
10. His Girl Friday
11. Man’s Favorite Sport?
12. Ceiling Zero
13. I Was a Male War Bride
14. El Dorado
15. Land of the Pharaohs

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Re: Auteur List: Howard Hawks - Discussion and Defenses

#330 Post by Never Cursed » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:04 pm

Thank you, domino!!

Top twelve:

1. A Song Is Born
2. Red River
3. Twentieth Century
4. Sergeant York
5. Air Force
6. Only Angels Have Wings
7. Bringing Up Baby
8. His Girl Friday
9. Gentlemen Prefer Blondes
10. Ball Of Fire
11. Rio Bravo
12. Man’s Favorite Sport?

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Re: Auteur List: Howard Hawks - Discussion and Defenses

#331 Post by Rayon Vert » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:08 pm

That gif is hilarious. I definitly thought it was going to be between Angels, Girl Friday and Red River for the top spot. So glad I'm not alone with Hatari! :)

Thanks so much again domino - this was a fun summer with Hawks and our gang here.

Mine:

1. Only Angels Have Wings
2. Red River
3. Rio Bravo
4. Hatari!
5. Bringing Up Baby
6. The Big Sleep
7. Monkey Business
8. I Was a Male War Bride
9. Scarface
10. To Have and Have Not
11. Sergeant York
12. Air Force
13. The Dawn Patrol
14. Man’s Favorite Sport?
15. El Dorado

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Re: Auteur List: Howard Hawks - Discussion and Defenses

#332 Post by therewillbeblus » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:19 pm

A Song is Born beat Hatari! and Monkey Business so I’m happy.

domino, was your number one Sergeant York? I figured it woulda been one of three others but clearly not the case

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Re: Auteur List: Howard Hawks - Discussion and Defenses

#333 Post by domino harvey » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:21 pm

It was! It could have just as easily been Air Force most days, but not today

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Re: Auteur List: Howard Hawks - Discussion and Defenses

#334 Post by Rayon Vert » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:23 pm

therewillbeblus wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:19 pm
A Song is Born beat Hatari! and Monkey Business so I’m happy.
Something definitely unnatural about that!

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Re: Auteur List: Howard Hawks - Discussion and Defenses

#335 Post by therewillbeblus » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:24 pm

domino harvey wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:21 pm
It was! It could have just as easily been Air Force most days, but not today
Makes sense, similarly my top five switched up throughout the project and I just hit send with the latest version a couple weeks ago so as not to drive myself crazy. They’re all perfect films and I could’ve picked ‘em out of a hat and been happy with the result.

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Re: Auteur List: Howard Hawks - Discussion and Defenses

#336 Post by therewillbeblus » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:26 pm

Rayon Vert wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:23 pm
therewillbeblus wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:19 pm
A Song is Born beat Hatari! and Monkey Business so I’m happy.
Something definitely unnatural about that!
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Re: Auteur List: Howard Hawks - Discussion and Defenses

#337 Post by Never Cursed » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:27 pm

Thank you! I admit that my numbers two through six could have been shaken up a bit, but I knew that A Song Is Born was going to top my list as soon as I saw it

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Re: Auteur List: Howard Hawks - Discussion and Defenses

#338 Post by domino harvey » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:27 pm

I don't throw around the word 'hero' often, but

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Re: Auteur List: Howard Hawks - Discussion and Defenses

#339 Post by therewillbeblus » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:38 pm

I very nearly stopped at 12 as well, since everything after Ceiling Zero was on a much different level of quality, but I wanted to give El Dorado its deserved love, and I don’t like odd numbers, so here we are

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Re: Auteur List: Howard Hawks - Discussion and Defenses

#340 Post by Toland's Mitchell » Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:17 pm

Mine:

1. The Big Sleep
2. To Have and Have Not
3. Rio Bravo
4. The Dawn Patrol
5. Bringing Up Baby
6. Red River
7. Air Force
8. Only Angels Have Wings
9. His Girl Friday
10. Hatari!
11. Scarface
12. The Road to Glory
13. The Criminal Code
14. Sergeant York
15. Monkey Business


I'm assuming 11-15 ranked films were counted. If so, I wonder what (if any) small differences there may have been if only Top 10s were counted. But no matter, this was a fun project! Thanks again, domino.

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Re: Auteur List: Howard Hawks - Discussion and Defenses

#341 Post by senseabove » Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:24 pm

1.Only Angels Have Wings
2.His Girl Friday
3.Red River
4.I Was a Male War Bride
5.Rio Bravo
6.The Big Sleep
7.Gentlemen Prefer Blondes
8.Ceiling Zero
9.Hatari!
10.To Have and Have Not

I didn't get to nearly as many as I had hoped I would, but half my list is titles unseen by me before the list, so I call it a success.

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Re: Auteur List: Howard Hawks - Discussion and Defenses

#342 Post by Balthazar » Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:17 pm

Mine:

1 Only Angels Have Wings
2 His Girl Friday
3 Rio Bravo
4 Bringing Up Baby
5 Twentieth Century
6 Ball of Fire
7 Gentlemen Prefer Blondes
8 To Have and Have Not
9 Red River
10 I Was A Male War Bride

I've lurked silently on these forums for many years, but always been partial to Hawks and decided to participate a couple of weeks ago. Given the moment in which we live, I found time for quite a few, old and new.

Of first-time viewings, only the maximalist riot of Gentlemen Prefer Blondes made my list. Sergeant York's final hour drains it, there's a great office/city comedy in Man's Favourite Sport? obscured behind the broad jokes of the remainder, and Hatari!....just not for me. Couldn't even get past Wayne's hat.

Air Force was the other new watch that came closest to the top 10.

This project was particularly valuable to me for Only Angels Have Wings. I don't tend to rewatch much nowadays, and only saw this once long ago, but its greatness stood out so much more on this occasion. I was a little more conflicted after returning to Red River - Joanne Dru struggles to pull off her part in that ending. And there wasn't too much talk of I Was A Male War Bride, so I'll put in a word for its tweaking of the screwball blueprint: reliable laughs and it does some really interesting things with structure and narrative.

Thanks to everyone for their contributions to this thread, it's been great to follow.

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Re: Auteur List: Howard Hawks - Discussion and Defenses

#343 Post by knives » Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:49 pm

therewillbeblus wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:26 pm
Then it's official, Hawks>Wilder. Finally I can sleep easy tonight
Now we know there's a god. Thanks for proving that Dom.

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Re: Auteur List: Howard Hawks - Discussion and Defenses

#344 Post by domino harvey » Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:50 pm

Toland's Mitchell wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:17 pm
I'm assuming 11-15 ranked films were counted.
Correct!

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Re: Auteur List: Howard Hawks - Discussion and Defenses

#345 Post by Altair » Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:17 am

My list:

1. The Big Sleep
2. Red River
3. Only Angels Have Wings
4. To Have and Have Not
5. His Girl Friday
6. Scarface
7. Bringing Up Baby
8. Air Force
9. Ball of Fire
10. I Was a Male War Bride
11. Monkey Business
12. Rio Bravo
13. Barbary Coast
14. The Road to Glory
15. The Dawn Patrol

All pretty standard, canonical stuff. After Air Force at number 8, I feel like the remainders are all on a similar plateau of quality.

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Re: Auteur List: Howard Hawks - Discussion and Defenses

#346 Post by the preacher » Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:13 am

I'm curious to know if Twentieth Century or Sergeant York were supported by non-American voters. Those are not canonical around here.

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Re: Auteur List: Howard Hawks - Discussion and Defenses

#347 Post by Never Cursed » Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:48 am

I can kinda understand why Sergeant York might be a harder sell for a non-American, but why is Twentieth Century one also?

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Re: Auteur List: Howard Hawks - Discussion and Defenses

#348 Post by therewillbeblus » Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:44 pm

Personally I’d expect it to be his most accessible film across western-individualistic cultures round the globe. Hams are everywhere.

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Re: Auteur List: Howard Hawks - Discussion and Defenses

#349 Post by domino harvey » Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:46 pm

the preacher wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:13 am
I'm curious to know if Twentieth Century or Sergeant York were supported by non-American voters. Those are not canonical around here.
Without looking for more, I recall that at least one of our non-American voters placed Sgt York near the top

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Re: Auteur List: Howard Hawks - Discussion and Defenses

#350 Post by the preacher » Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:18 pm

Never Cursed wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:48 am
I can kinda understand why Sergeant York might be a harder sell for a non-American, but why is Twentieth Century one also?
As everybody knows the Hawks-auteur was a French invention, but they didn't say a word about TC, did they? On the other hand, if I remember well, the hand of God was behind... Hatari! :P

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