The War List Discussion and Suggestions (Genre Project)

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Re: The War List Discussion and Suggestions (Genre Project)

#351 Post by matrixschmatrix » Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:09 pm

We got 20 lists for the animation project, so that trophy is still in contention.

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#352 Post by domino harvey » Mon Dec 29, 2014 11:32 pm

Sorry I wasn't clear, I meant that we got fifteen ballots at all is a victory, not that it's the number one genre project in terms of participation. Animation ain't either, the crown belongs to Horror and will in all likelihood only be matched or topped by the second round of Horror in a couple years

Ballots will be due by Midnight EST tomorrow (Dec 30th). Starting in the morning tomorrow, I will accept no substitutions or changes on already-submitted lists

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#353 Post by domino harvey » Tue Dec 30, 2014 12:43 am

Oh, and hints. Y'all like hints. Previous unanimous winner is no longer our number one, bested by another European classic. As of my preliminary estimate the next three slots in the top five all go to American films. Two of these top five films are part of the Criterion Collection. All five films are available on English-friendly Blu-rays.

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Re: The War List Discussion and Suggestions (Genre Project)

#354 Post by swo17 » Tue Dec 30, 2014 1:13 am

In how many of the films does Joe Eszterhas come again?

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#355 Post by domino harvey » Tue Dec 30, 2014 1:14 am

Sliver is tracking at a respectable 7th place overall

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Re: The War List Discussion and Suggestions (Genre Project)

#356 Post by Lemmy Caution » Tue Dec 30, 2014 10:50 am

I have a provisional list of 40+ films.
Let me tidy it up, add some titles from the war DVDs I watched a few years back, and I should get a list in in the next few hours.

Edit: And Then I Sentenced Them All To Death (Romania) will be probably be my #51 sight-unseen, based on the title alone ...

Submitted a list and already thought of a great war film I left off -- The Manchurian Candidate ...

I really had a tough time providing an order beyond the Top 20.
Some films I like a lot but they were more tangential to war themes than others I might like slightly less. Plus it just seemed hard to compare the variety of films on my list.

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#357 Post by domino harvey » Wed Dec 31, 2014 3:46 am

Okay, just to be safe, I will extend the deadline by ~12 hours from now in case anyone intended to submit a list during the error-fest this evening. Any new list must be received by 3PM EST today, 12/31

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#358 Post by domino harvey » Wed Dec 31, 2014 4:30 pm

Voting closed with a respectable eighteen lists submitted. I'm sick in bed for New Year's Eve, but that means I have time to tally, so the results will be up sometime today

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#359 Post by swo17 » Wed Dec 31, 2014 5:03 pm

That's not a lot to go on, but I'm going to guess...a head cold?

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#360 Post by domino harvey » Wed Dec 31, 2014 11:29 pm

THE WAR LIST: TOP-- DROP AND GIVE ME A HUNDRED… AND TWO

01 Battle of Algiers (Gillo Pontecorvo 1966) 470
02 Went the Day Well? (Alberto Cavalcanti 1942) 458
03 Grand Illusion (Jean Renoir 1937) 421
04 the Best Years of Our Lives (William Wyler 1946) 398
05 the Life and Death of Colonel Blimp (Emeric Pressburger and Michael Powell 1943) 378
06 Apocalypse Now (Francis Ford Coppola 1979) 370
07 To Be or Not to Be (Ernst Lubitsch 1942) 361
08 Army of Shadows (Jean-Pierre Melville 1969) 342
09 Paths of Glory (Stanley Kubrick 1957) 326
10 Dr Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (Stanley Kubrick 1964) 281

11 the Red and the White (Miklós Jancsó 1967) 277
12 Come and See (Elem Klimov 1985) 256
13 the Cranes Are Flying (Mikhail Kalatozov 1957) 255
14 Fires on the Plain (Kon Ichikawa 1959) 245
15 the General (Buster Keaton and Clyde Bruckman 1926) 242
16 Rome, Open City (Roberto Rossellini 1945) 241
17 Ivan's Childhood (Andrei Tarkovsky 1962) 239
17 Kanal (Andrzej Wajda 1957) 239
19 Wooden Crosses (Raymond Bernard 1932) 236
20 Men in War (Anthony Mann 1957) 218
20 Mrs Miniver (William Wyler 1942) 218

22 the Thin Red Line (Terrence Malick 1998) 214
23 Hail the Conquering Hero (Preston Sturges 1944) 200
24 Shoah (Claude Lanzmann 1985) 192
25 Shame (Ingmar Bergman 1968) 181
26 Grave of Fireflies (Isao Takahata 1988) 163
26 Red Angel (Yasuzo Masumura 1966) 163
28 the Human Condition (Masaki Kobayashi 1959) 162
29 the War Game (Peter Watkins 1965) 159
30 Night and Fog (Alain Resnais 1955) 158

31 the Round-Up (Miklós Jancsó 1965) 157
32 Fixed Bayonets! (Samuel Fuller 1951) 150
33 Hiroshima Mon Amour (Alain Resnais 1959) 149
34 Fires Were Started (Humphrey Jennings 1943) 148
35 Diamonds in the Night (Jan Nemec 1964) 147
35 Germany Year Zero (Roberto Rossellini 1948) 147
37 Full Metal Jacket (Stanley Kubrick 1987) 141
38 A Matter of Life and Death (Emeric Pressburger and Michael Powell 1946) 137
39 the Big Parade (King Vidor 1925) 136
40 Paisan (Roberto Rossellini 1946) 134

41 Ran (Akira Kurosawa 1985) 133
42 the Big Red One (Samuel Fuller 1980) 132
43 Le silence de la mer (Jean-Pierre Melville 1949) 130
44 Lawrence of Arabia (David Lean 1962) 129
44 M*A*S*H (Robert Altman 1970) 129
46 Zulu (Cy Endfield 1964) 128
47 Air Force (Howard Hawks 1943) 126
48 Duck Soup (Leo McCarey 1933) 124
49 When the Wind Blows (Jimmy Murakami 1986) 112
50 the Civil War (Ken Burns 1990) 110

51 A Time to Love and a Time to Die (Douglas Sirk 1958) 109
52 Culloden (Peter Watkins 1964) 108
52 Das Boot (Wolfgang Petersen 1981) 108
52 the Great Dictator (Charles Chaplin 1940) 108
55 They Were Expendable (John Ford 1945) 107
56 the Burmese Harp (Kon Ichikawa 1956) 106
56 5 Fingers (Joseph L Mankiewicz 1952) 106
56 the Shop on Main Street (Ján Kadár and Elmar Klos 1965) 106
59 Casablanca (Michael Curtiz 1943) 105
59 Kagemusha (Akira Kurosawa 1980) 105
59 the Steel Helmet (Samuel Fuller 1951) 105

62 Black Rain (Shohei Imamura 1989) 102
63 Marketa Lazarova (František Vláčil 1967) 101
64 All Quiet on the Western Front (Lewis Milestone 1930) 98
64 the Human Bullet (Kihachi Okamoto 1968) 98
66 the Deer Hunter (Michael Cimino 1978) 95
67 Lessons of Darkness (Werner Herzog 1992) 94
68 Captured (John Krish 1959) 93
68 Diary for Timothy (Humphrey Jennings 1945) 93
68 Three Kings (David O Russell 1999) 93

71 So Proudly We Hail! (Mark Sandrich 1943) 89
72 the Sorrow and the Pity (Marcel Ophuls 1969) 88
73 A Canterbury Tale (Emeric Pressburger and Michael Powell 1944) 87
74 Wings (William A Wellman 1927) 86
75 the Dirty Dozen (Robert Aldrich 1967) 85
76 the Spy Who Came In From the Cold (Martin Ritt 1965) 84
77 49th Parallel (Michael Powell 1941) 83
77 the Third Part of the Night (Andrzej Żuławski 1971) 83
79 Andrey Rublyov (Andrei Tarkovsky 1966) 82
80 the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly (Sergio Leone 1966) 81

81 Destination Tokyo (Delmer Daves 1943) 80
81 the Emperor's Naked Army Marches On (Kazuo Hara 1987) 80
81 Green For Danger (Sidney Gialliat 1946) 80
81 Sergeant York (Howard Hawks 1941) 80
85 the Bridge on the River Kwai (David Lean 1957) 79
85 Hearts and Minds (Peter Davis 1974) 79
87 Battleship Potemkin (Sergei Eisenstein 1925) 78
88 Bataan (Tay Garnett 1943) 77
89 Raiders of the Lost Ark (Steven Spielberg 1981) 72
90 Signs of Life (Werner Herzog 1968) 72

91 Lifeboat (Alfred Hitchcock 1944) 71
92 Born on the Fourth of July (Oliver Stone 1989) 69
93 I Was Nineteen (Konrad Wolf 1968) 68
93 Land and Freedom (Ken Loach 1995) 68
93 the More the Merrier (George Stevens 1943) 68
93 Pride of the Marines (Delmer Daves 1945) 68
97 Story of a Prostitute (Seijun Suzuki 1965) 67
98 Inglourious Basterds (Quentin Tarantino 2009) 66
98 It Happened Here (Kevin Brownlow and Andrew Mollo 1966) 66
98 Listen to Britain (Humphrey Jennings 1942) 66
98 Resisting Enemy Interrogation (Bernard Vorhaus 1944) 66
98 the Third Man (Carol Reed 1949) 66


ALSO RANS

(64-61 points) the Fog of War, Act of Violence, the Grand Budapest Hotel, Redacted, Battle of Chile, the Murderers Are Among Us

(58-50) Red Psalm, the Great Escape, the Ascent, Confidence, Princess Mononoke, Coming Home, Romeo, Juliet, and the Darkness, the Small Back Room, Memphis Belle (1943), Waltz With Bashir, Devils on the Doorstep, Objective: Burma!, the Train, Yankee Doodle Dandy, Force of Arms, Il Generale Della Rovere, J'accuse (1919), the Way Ahead

(49-40) Battleground, Napoleon (Gance), Japan's Longest Day, This Land is Mine, Waterloo Bridge (1931), the Guns of Navarone, Sunday Dinner For a Soldier, the Birth of a Nation, Crazy, the Battle of San Pietro, Gallipoli, the Silent Village, the Cruel Sea, Hangmen Also Die, the Hurt Locker, In Harm's Way, Platoon, Forbidden Games, Heimat, I Live in Fear, the Razor's Edge (1946)

(39-30) Cross of Iron, the Song of the Grey Pigeon, Tertium non datur, Under the Flag of the Rising Sun, A Soldier's Story, Archangel, Merry Christmas, Mr Lawrence, Starship Troopers, the Catch, Les carabiniers, Saving Private Ryan, Gone With the Wind, Overlord, Top Secret!, Four Lions

(29-20) Hell in the Pacific, Organ, the Teahouse of the August Moon, Ballad of a Soldier, On the Town, Level Five, Letters From Iwo Jima, Love and Death, the Red Badge of Courage, Fort Apache, Bullet in the Head, I Was a Male War Bride, the Way to the Stars

(19-10) Blockade, Glory, On the Beach, Black Hawk Down, 79 primaveras, Rescue Dawn, Regeneration, Decision Before Dawn, the Last of the Mohicans (1992), Ice Cold in Alex

(09-06) the Four Feathers, Passenger, Blitz Wolf


ORPHANS

A Bridge Too Far, A Field in England, A Foreign Affair, A Generation, A Man Escaped, A Midnight Clear, A Time Out of War, A Very Long Engagement, A Walk in the Sun, Above and Beyond, the Act of Killing, Adelheid, the Adventures of Baron Munchausen, Aguirre the Wrath of God, Along the Sungari River, An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge, Armadillo, the Army, the Atomic Cafe, Atonement, Au Revoir Les Enfants, Austeria

Band of Brothers, Barefoot Gen, the Battle of China, the Battle of Midway, the Battle of Okinawa, the Beast, Beau Geste, Before the Rain, the Bells Go Down, Berlin Alexanderplatz, Between Heaven and Hell, Between Two Worlds, Black Book (Verhoeven), Border Street, Breaker Morant, the Bridge, the Bridges at Toko-Ri, Bright Victory, Brutality in Stone, Buck Privates

Cabaret, Camp de Thiaroye, Cargo 200, Carlos, Carnival in Flanders, Catch-22, Charlie Wilson's War, Che, Children of the Beehive, Closely Observed Trains, Cornered, the Counterfeiters, Crossroads

Daleks - Invasion Earth: 2150AD, the Dawn Patrol (1930), the Dawns Here Are Quiet, Days of Glory, Days of Hope, Dear America: Letters Home From Vietnam, Desperado Outpost, Downfall, Duck You Sucker

Eastern Condors, Edge of Darkness, Edge of Tomorrow, 84 Charlie MoPic, Empire of the Sun, the Empire Strikes Back, the English Patient, Era notte a Roma, Eroica, Essential Killing

Fail-Safe, the Fall of Berlin, Father of the Kamakaze, Five Branded Women, 5 Broken Cameras, Five Graves to Cairo, Flight (1971), Foreign Correspondant, Forgiveness of Blood, Fort Graveyard, From Here to Eternity, FTA 6

Gardens of Stone, Gate of Flesh, the Gatekeepers, General Idi Amin Dada, Generation Kill, God on Trial, Godzilla, Gold Silver Death, the Good the Bad and the Weird, the Good German, the Great War, Gunga Din (1939)

Halls of Montezuma, Hands Up!, Hell and Back, Henry V (Olivier), Hope and Glory, Hotel Terminus, How I Won the War

I Am Cuba, I Dood It, In Country, In Which We Serve

Jakob, der Lugner, Jarhead, Jeanne La Pucelle, Johnny Got His Gun, Journey's End

Katyn, Kelly's Heroes, King Rat, Kiss Them For Me, Krakatit

La jetee, La maison des bois, La Reine Margot, the Lady Vanishes, Laissez-Passer, Lancelot du Lac, Lancome Lucien, Land of Plenty, the Last Command, the Last Emperor, the Last Train, Le Corbeau, Lebanon, Let There Be Light, Let's Go With Pancho Villa, the Life and Times of Rosie the Riveter, Life is Beautiful, Lincoln, the Long and Short and Tall, the Longest Day, the Lost Patrol

the Man in the Gray Flannel Suit, the Man Who Never Was, the Man Who Would Be King, the Manchurian Candidate, Manon, the Marines Who Never Returned, the Marriage of Maria Braun, Matinee, Men of the Lightship, the Men Who Stare at Goats, Mephisto, Merrill's Marauders, Ministry of Fear, the Miracle of Morgan's Creek, Missing, Mr Klein, My Way Home

Naked Among Wolves, Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind, Neighbours, Next of Kin, the Night of the Generals, Night Train to Munich, Nine Lives, 1945-1998, 9th Company, Ninotchka, No Greater Glory, Notorious

Odd Man Out, Officer's Ward, Ordinary Fascism

the Pacific, Pan's Labyrinth, the Paper Will Be Blue, the Passion of Joan of Arc, Pastor Hall, Patton, the Peach Thief, the Pianist, Play Dirty, the Purple Heart

Rambo: First Blood Part II, Red Sorghum, Renaissance, Ride With the Devil, the Road to Guantanamo, the Roaring Twenties, Rolling Thunder

Salvador, San Demetrio London, Schindler's List, Senso, Serbian Epics, the Seventh Seal, Sherman's March, Shoeshine, Shoulder Arms, Since You Went Away, Sink the Bismarck!, the Sinking of the Lusitania, Soldier of Orange, Something to Do With the Wall, Spartacus, the Spy in Black, SS Ionian, Stalag 17, the Story of GI Joe, the Story of Dr Wassell, Strategic Air Command, the Sun

the Tall Target, These Godless Years, They Came to Cordura, Things to Come, 36 Hours, Thomas l'imposter, Throne of Blood, Till We Meet Again, Time Limit, the Time That Remains, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy (2011), To Have and Have Not, To Live in Peace, the Tower of Lillies, the Traveling Players, Trial, Trial on the Road, Triumph of the Will, Turtles Can Fly, Twelve O'Clock High, the Two of Us, Two Women

Ugetsu Monogatari, the Unforgettable

Victory Through Air Power, Videograms of a Revolution, Voice of Hope

Wag the Dog, War and Peace (Bondarchuk), War Horse, We Were Strangers, Westward Desperado, Where Do We Go From Here?, Why We Fight, the Wind That Shakes the Barley, Windtalkers, Winstanley, Winter Soldier, Witchfinder General, Witnesses, the World at War, Wreckmeister Harmonies

Yellow (Tales From the Crypt episode)

Zero Dark Thirty, Zvenigora

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Re: The War List Discussion and Suggestions (Genre Project)

#361 Post by swo17 » Wed Dec 31, 2014 11:51 pm

Thanks for all your hard work! In the end, it looks like I called the #1 pick with my first guess. Sorry to whoever else voted for Senso, which was the last film to drop from my list.

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#362 Post by domino harvey » Wed Dec 31, 2014 11:56 pm

It was originally Went the Day Well? though! And second clue was Grand Illusion, Went the Day Well, the Best Years of Our Lives, Apocalypse Now, and To Be Or Not To Be. Algiers came strong out of nowhere in the last couple lists to win it all

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#363 Post by knives » Thu Jan 01, 2015 12:15 am

Thanks a lot. Pretty fascinating final result.

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#364 Post by Askew » Thu Jan 01, 2015 12:33 am

You listed Les Croix du Bois as an orphan, but is that not just another vote for Wooden Crosses?

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#365 Post by matrixschmatrix » Thu Jan 01, 2015 1:28 am

It's always fascinating trying to figure out which my orphans landed there because nobody else likes them much (The Empire Strikes Back), which are because others don't think they're war movies (The Passion of Joan of Arc, I assume, and Aguirre?) and which are just because nobody else has actually seen them (The Good, the Bad, the Weird?.) As always, though, every single beloved orphan is essentially a crime of neglect, for which I must repent, as I hardly participated at all.

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#366 Post by bamwc2 » Thu Jan 01, 2015 11:11 am

I'll echo the chorus here, Domino, and thank you for your work. Looking over the list I'm shocked at how many great films I completely forgot about when compiling my list. I could easily have the first half of an alternative submission with just the overlooked titles alone! Also, I'm going through my 'to-see list' for the faith project right now and found dozens of WWI & WWII films that I didn't watch. I can only wonder what my final list would have looked like had I actually maintained my pace prior to the start of classes. Here's my list with the orphans highlighted:

1. Shoah (Claude Lanzmann, 1985)
2. Battle of Algiers (Gillo Pontecorvo, 1965)
3. The Great Dictator (Charles Chaplin, 1940)
4. A Matter of Life and Death (Michael Powell and Emeric Pressburger, 1946)
5. Hell and Back Again (Danfung Dennis, 2011)
6. The Third Part of the Night (Andrzej Zulawski 1971)
7. Went the Day Well (Alberto Cavalcanti, 1942)
8. Carnival in Flanders (Jacques Feyder, 1935)
9. Ordinary Fascism (Mikhail Romm, 1965)
10. The Civil War (Ken Burns, 1990)
11. The Red and the White (Miklos Jansco, 1967)
12. Rome Open City (Roberto Rossellini, 1945)
13. Green for Danger (Sidney Gilliat, 1946)
14. Dear America: Letters Home from Vietnam (Bill Couturié, 1987)
15. When the Wind Blows (Jimmy T. Murakami, 1986)
16. Things to Come (William Cameron Menzies, 1936)
17. 5 Fingers (Joseph L. Mankiewicz, 1952)
18. Marketa Lazarová (Frantisek Vlácil, 1967)
19. Zulu (Cy Endfield, 1964)
20. Katyn (Andrezj Wadja, 2007)
21. Under the Flag of the Rising Sun (Kinji Fukasaku, 1972)
22. Mrs. Miniver (William Wyler, 1942)
23. The Sorrow and the Pity (Marcel Ophüls, 1969)
24. The Life and Times of Rosie the Riveter (Connie Field, 1980)
25. Red Angel (Yasuzô Masumura 1966)
26. The Steel Helmet (Samuel Fuller, 1951)
27. The Emperor’s Naked Army Marches On (Kazuo Hara, 1987)
28. Hôtel Terminus (Marcel Ophüls, 1988)
29. Red Psalm (Miklós Jancsó, 1972)
30. A Time to Love and a Time to Die (Douglas Sirk 1958)
31. Romeo, Juliet, and Darkness (Jirí Weiss, 1960)
32. Time Limit (Karl Malden, 1957)
33. Hail the Conquering Hero (Preston Sturges 1944)
34. The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp (Michael Powell and Emeric Pressburger , 1943)
35. Schindler’s List (Steven Spielberg, 1993)
36. Hands Up! (Clarence G. Badger, 1926)
37. Diamonds of the Night (Jan Nemec, 1964)
38. Empire of the Sun (Steven Spielberg, 1987)
39. Il Generale Della Rovere (Roberto Rossellini, 1959)
40. This Land is Mine (Jean Renoir, 1943)
41. 49th Parallel (Michael Powell, 1941)
42. The English Patient (Anthony Minghella, 1996)
43. Born on the 4th of July (Oliver Stone, 1989)
44. Bullet in the Head (John Woo, 1990)
45. 36 Hours (George Seaton, 1965)
46. M*A*S*H (Robert Altman 1970)
47. The Lost Patrol (John Ford, 1934)
48. Thomas l'imposteur (Georges Franju, 1965)
49. The Tower of Lilies (Tadashi Imai, 1953)
50. The Night of the Generals (Anatole Litvak, 1967)

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#367 Post by domino harvey » Thu Jan 01, 2015 12:11 pm

Also, I'm going through my 'to-see list' for the faith project right now and found dozens of WWI & WWII films that I didn't watch. I can only wonder what my final list would have looked like had I actually maintained my pace prior to the start of classes.
Same for me on both counts!

MY TOP TEN
01 Mrs Miniver
02 the Best Years of Our Lives
03 Hail the Conquering Hero
04 Air Force
05 Destination Tokyo
06 Resisting Enemy Interrogation
07 Sgt York
08 Shame
09 Apocalypse Now
10 the Life and Death of Col Blimp

ORPHANS
12 Land of Plenty
26 Since You Went Away
27 Matinee
28 God on Trial
31 the Bridges at Toko-Ri
32 In Country
36 Trial
41 We Were Strangers
42 the Purple Heart
43 Five Branded Women
44 Where Do We Go From Here?
45 FTA
48 Kiss Them For Me
50 Yellow

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Re: The War List Discussion and Suggestions (Genre Project)

#368 Post by colinr0380 » Thu Jan 01, 2015 2:08 pm

My orphans were:

6. La Jetée - I was chancing it on including this, but it is kind of a 'memories of pre-war' film, reminiscing about a pre-conflict era from a devastated future!
10. A Midnight Clear - a film that places more emphasis on the tension between American troops and German POWs. It is the more in depth, upsetting and less patronising version of material that Saving Private Ryan did a few years later
18. Atonement - the best critique of problematic WWII fetishisation bar none!
25. A Foreign Affair - post war, so I can understand this being an orphan, but I wanted to cast my net wide and into mixings of other genres as well. It also stands in for Soderbergh's The Good German too! (And also for I Was A Male War Bride!)
29. The Longest Day - I'm glad that I added this one in as an example of blockbuster spectacle (it is also standing in for Dunkirk, D-Day, The 6th June, A Bridge Too Far, etc, etc) and it mainly made my list for the attempt at coming at D-Day from many different viewpoints. Selfishly I also added it because I went with my school to visit the Normandy landing beaches, the war cemeteries, and we also spent a day at Sainte-Mère-Eglise which is where the event of that paratrooper getting caught on the spire of the cathedral, which gets depicted in this film, happened.
32. Strategic Air Command - another borderline war film, more a drama about Cold Wars on the home front
35. Armadillo - the documentary about Danish troops on the frontline in Afghanistan. This is also standing for my vote for the other Afghan war documentary, Restrepo.
38. Breaker Morant - the Boer War-set Australian, albeit arguably more morally murky, film that goes into similar courtmartial territory to Paths of Glory. "Shoot straight, you bastards!"
43. 84 Charlie MoPic. I'll let Alex Cox introduce this one, a shakeycam film predating Blair Witch Project by about a decade.
44. Hope and Glory - more homefront material, this time John Boorman's semi-autobiographical tale of growing up in London during the blitz. Boorman's recently released Queen and Country is continuing the story.
45. Gardens of Stone - more war fallout
46. Pastor Hall - this might also make my faith list, in which the outspoken Pastor Neimuller gets sent to Dachau concentration camp for speaking out against the Nazi Party.
49. 9th Company - I realised that I had forgotten to add any Russian war films to my list at the last moment, and assuming that the old guard would be represented decided to throw 9th Company into the bottom end of my list, about the Russians themselves having a difficult time in Afghanistan in the 1980s. It is a film that puts the bomb into bombastic, and I think even Michael Bay might ask them to tone things down a little, but I thought I should throw it in there!
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Re: The War List Discussion and Suggestions (Genre Project)

#369 Post by domino harvey » Thu Jan 01, 2015 2:19 pm

I do hope all the Paths of Glory fanatics make time at some point for "Yellow," Zemeckis' cheeky use of Kirk Douglas and (other) son in a similar yet deliciously twisted take on the same questions of self-sacrifice and "cowardice". It was a perfect Number 50 slot-filler. Pretty disappointed that sure-fire classics in the genre like the Bridges and Toko-Ri and Since You Went Away were Orphaned, and I think if more people would give the surprise wonder of In Country a shot, it'd be better represented here and in the 80s thread (where I was responsible for twin orphanings). Outside of Strangelove, Red Scare stuff didn't really factor much, so my picks of Trial and Matinee stick out, but they're such rich films that I regret nothing.

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Re: The War List Discussion and Suggestions (Genre Project)

#370 Post by swo17 » Thu Jan 01, 2015 4:43 pm

Most of these I've already discussed earlier in the thread.

01. Shame (Ingmar Bergman, 1968)
02. Come and See (Elem Klimov, 1985) -- These two films feel like they could be about most any war. I guess that's part of what bumped them to the top of my list.
03. To Be or Not to Be (Ernst Lubitsch, 1942)
04. The General (Buster Keaton & Clyde Bruckman, 1926)
05. Duck Soup (Leo McCarey, 1933)
06. The Cranes Are Flying (Mikhail Kalatozov, 1957)
07. Krakatit (Otakar Vávra, 1949) ORPHAN/SPOTLIGHT
08. Hiroshima mon amour (Alain Resnais, 1959)
09. Went the Day Well? (Alberto Cavalcanti, 1942)
10. Dr. Strangelove (Stanley Kubrick, 1964)
11. Act of Violence (Fred Zinnemann, 1948) ALSO-RAN
12. Zvenigora (Aleksandr Dovzhenko, 1928) ORPHAN/PSEUDO-SPOTLIGHT -- I've gotten quite good at picking films that need to be spotlighted/less good at convincing anyone else to vote for them. Hopefully people are at least seeking them out and only not voting for them out of spite.
13. The Round-Up (Miklós Jancsó, 1966)
14. The More the Merrier (George Stevens, 1943)
15. The Sinking of the Lusitania (Winsor McCay, 1918) ORPHAN -- I'm disappointed that I won't be able to vote for this animated war documentary again in the foreseeable future.
16. The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp (Michael Powell & Emeric Pressburger, 1943)
17. La Grande Illusion (Jean Renoir, 1937)
18. Tertium non datur (Lucian Pintilie, 2006) ALSO-RAN -- Thanks to zedz' last minute reminder to dig into my Pintilie set.
19. Army of Shadows (Jean-Pierre Melville, 1969)
20. Germany Year Zero (Roberto Rossellini, 1948)
21. Waterloo Bridge (James Whale, 1931) ALSO-RAN
22. Four Lions (Christopher Morris, 2010) ALSO-RAN -- Possibly a bit of a stretch for the genre, but I love it so much that I had to take the chance. (Ditto The More the Merrier.)
23. The Silent Village (Humphrey Jennings, 1943) ALSO-RAN
24. Crossroads (Bruce Conner, 1976) ORPHAN
25. Shoah (Claude Lanzmann, 1985)
26. Battleship Potemkin (Sergei Eisenstein, 1925)
27. Napoléon (Abel Gance, 1927) ALSO-RAN -- And here I thought Potemkin would be the slightly iffy-for-the-genre silent behemoth that too many people would forget to vote for for it to place prominently.
28. Men in War (Anthony Mann, 1957) -- A little surprised this didn't take the top prize like Mann's iconically titled western did (but not really).
29. The War Game (Peter Watkins, 1965)
30. Archangel (Guy Maddin, 1990) ALSO-RAN
31. Red Angel (Yasuzō Masumura, 1966)
32. Fail-Safe (Sidney Lumet, 1964) ORPHAN
33. Objective, Burma! (Raoul Walsh, 1945) ALSO-RAN
34. Fixed Bayonets! (Samuel Fuller, 1951)
35. Sunday Dinner for a Soldier (Lloyd Bacon, 1944) ALSO-RAN -- Probably would have made the final list if domino hadn't begged for more contributors. :P
36. Captured (John Krish, 1959)
37. The Best Years of Our Lives (William Wyler, 1946)
38. 79 primaveras (Santiago Álvarez, 1969) ALSO-RAN
39. Renaissance (Walerian Borowczyk, 1964) ORPHAN
40. Lawrence of Arabia (David Lean, 1962)
41. Diamonds of the Night (Jan Němec, 1964)
42. Blockade (Sergei Loznitsa, 2006) ALSO-RAN
43. Level Five (Chris Marker, 1997) ALSO-RAN
44. The Time That Remains (Elia Suleiman, 2009) ORPHAN
45. Love and Death (Woody Allen, 1975) ALSO-RAN
46. Crazy (Heddy Honigmann, 2000) ALSO-RAN
47. I Dood It (Vincente Minnelli, 1943) ORPHAN
48. When the Wind Blows (Jimmy Murakami, 1986)
49. Blitz Wolf (Tex Avery, 1942) ALSO-RAN
50. Resisting Enemy Interrogation (Bernard Vorhaus, 1944)

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Re: The War List Discussion and Suggestions (Genre Project)

#371 Post by Dr Amicus » Fri Jan 02, 2015 7:35 am

Another big thank-you to Domino for a grand job!

My top ten:

1) A Matter of Life and Death (P&P) - a favourite of mine for 35 years, ever since I saw it as a child who didn't like war films.
2) Fires Were Started (Jennings)
3) The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp (P&P)
4) Diary for Timothy (Jennings)
5) La Grande Illusion (Renoir)
6) The World at War (Isaacs) - Orphan (really?) - OK, so 40 years of research have highlighted its shortcomings, but this still a monumental piece of work. Carl Davis's score and Olivier's narration are the icing on the cake. One of two of the great TV documentary series I saw when young (the other being Life on Earth) and have held up to several subsequent viewings.
7) Went the Day Well? (Cavalcanti)
8) The Human Condition (Kobayashi)
9) The Best Years of Our Lives (Wyler)
10) Land and Freedom (Loach)

Orphans:

14) Next of Kin (Dickinson) - also Spotlight. Did anyone else catch this? Or am I really the only one who loves this gripping, paranoid warning that Careless Talk Costs Lives?
18) Lacombe Lucien (Malle) - I like Au Revoir Les Enfants, but for me this is Malle's finer film about the war, and one of his finest full stop.
22) San Demetrio, London (Frend) - No surprise that this was an orphan, but I have a soft spot for Ealing's wartime output and this is one of their best. It was only last night when I realised I hadn't included the equally fine Western Approaches (Pat Jackson, 1944) - but they're both impressive men-versus-the elements-and-the-enemy-true(ish)-stories.
24) Ride With the Devil (Lee) - I know Lee isn't the most popular around here, but for me this is his best film.
26) Men of the Lightship (MacDonald) - Amazingly, the only non-Jennings British wartime documentary on my list. Subtly angry and extremely moving.
31) The Battle of Midway (Ford) - Again, really? Maybe it's just the film jumping as bombs explode around (which I remember Bazin admiring - yup, I watched this is a film studies class!) but this feels genuinely immersive in a way I've never found some of the other, equally filmed-in-combat films from the war. Or maybe it was just seeing it projected (from 16 or 35 mm, I forget which) that means it gets stuck in my memory.
32) Life is Beautiful (Benigni) - I first saw this at the LFF where Benigni - introducing the film - did the whole schtick which seemed spontaneous then, but by the time he's repeating it at the Oscars rather less so. My first viewing of the film saw me finding the second half of the film vastly superior to the first, subsequent viewings have seen me come to love the first half as well. I know that this is a real divider of the film, but I'm firmly in the supporing camp.
37) Stalag 17 (Wilder) - Another surprise orphan. Really? No really?? Oh well...
40) The Bells Go Down (Dearden) - This on the other hand was no surprise. Another great Ealing classes coming together film, and one which features both James Mason and Tommy Trinder fighting fires during the blitz - and one which stresses the danger they face (not all the characters survive the film).
50) Daleks - Invasion Earth: 2150AD (Flemyng) - Another non-surprise as Peter Cushing and Bernard Cribbins save London and Bedford from Nazi Pepperpots, and probably the film on the list that I have seen most often (and the source of my avatar)

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Re: The War List Discussion and Suggestions (Genre Project)

#372 Post by NABOB OF NOWHERE » Fri Jan 02, 2015 8:03 am

1. Life and death of Colonel Blimp
2. Battle of Algiers
3. Listen to Britain
4. Come and see
5. Diary for Timothy
6. The Sorrow and the Pity
7. The Train
8. War and Peace (Bondarchuk)
9. Ran
10. Shoah
11. Laissez-Passer
12. Les Croix de Bois
13. The Cruel Sea
14. Diamonds of the Night
15. The Round Up
16. Men in War
17. Rome Open City
18. Days of Hope (Loach)
19. Children of the Beehive
20. Officer’s Ward (La Chambre des Officiers)

21. Fires were started
22. La Grande Illusion
23. Battle of Chile
24. Apocalypse Now
25. Ivan’s childhood
26. Closely observed Trains
27. Went the Day well
28..The Big Red One
29. Days of glory (Rachid Bouchareb)
30. Kanal
31. Marketa Lazarova
32. Paths of Glory
33. Red and the white
34. The Dirty Dozen
35. Wings.
36. A Field in England
37. Jeanne La Pucelle Rivette
38. Apocalypse Now
39. Regeneration (McKinnon)
40. Heimat
41. Germany Year Zero
42. Last of the Mohicans (Mann )
43. Winstanley
44. Manon (Clouzot)
45. Shoeshine
46. La Reine Margot
47. It happened here
48. Lancelot du Lac
49. Witchfinder General
50. Glory


Orphans in Bold

Eyes to heaven, slapped wrists oversights
Melville Franju and Watkins. Christmas excess carries the blame.

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Re: The War List Discussion and Suggestions (Genre Project)

#373 Post by colinr0380 » Fri Jan 02, 2015 8:59 am

I also voted for Regeneration (the Word War I poet rehabilitation film) Nabob, so at least that was an also ran rather than an orphan!

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Re: The War List Discussion and Suggestions (Genre Project)

#374 Post by NABOB OF NOWHERE » Fri Jan 02, 2015 10:34 am

colinr0380 wrote:I also voted for Regeneration (the Word War I poet rehabilitation film) Nabob, so at least that was an also ran rather than an orphan!
Oops Sorry Colin Too liberal with the bold button

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Re: The War List Discussion and Suggestions (Genre Project)

#375 Post by domino harvey » Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:30 am

Re: World at War being Orphaned-- I love the series and it's invaluable to me at present because I often excerpt it in the classroom, but it and the Civil War veer too much into being a TV series rather than a miniseries for me (and my American sensibilities that differentiate such things), so I didn't personally cast ballots for them despite an affinity for both. I'm sure I'm sorry!

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