Films of Youth List Discussion + Suggestions (Genre Project)

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#126 Post by knives » Sun Jun 19, 2016 7:32 pm

Lloyd's cameo is because he desperately needs the money. A few years back all of his stuff got lost in a fire.

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#127 Post by colinr0380 » Sun Jun 19, 2016 7:36 pm

That's very sad to hear. Now you are making me wish there had been more Oogieloves films that Lloyd could have been in!

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#128 Post by Mr Sausage » Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:22 pm

Feego wrote:
colinr0380 wrote:And in particular playacting and living in a fantasy world (The Neverending Story)
I think The NeverEnding Story also very much explores your theme of children "wrestling with profound problems of coming to terms with the somewhat flawed and imperfect adult world around them." The young reader, Bastian, has recently lost his mother, and his father is incapable of connecting with him emotionally. Add to that the school bullies who torment him, and there seem to be no adults in sight who take him seriously (aside from the mysterious bookseller). Batian, like Dorothy in one of my favorites Return to Oz, retreats into a fantasy world where children take on the adult responsibilities. In both films, these worlds are on the path to destruction, and it's up to the children to restore them to their former glory, thereby also gaining a sense of control in their problematic real worlds.
The whole thing essentially turns on the idea that the transition from childhood to adulthood mirrors the symbolic structure of the Christian redemption.

Modern fantasy takes its structure from mediaeval Christian romances, where the world falls from an Edenic state into a broken world that can only be returned to its former state by the intercession of a hero who is tested through various tribulations to prove his exceptional qualities. That's certainly the fantasy Bastian finds himself in; but as you say, the fantasy is also a representation of Bastian's struggle to navigate the adult world. He's transitioned from a safe family whole to a broken and uncertain world full of adult pain and sadness that he feels powerless to return to its previous blissful state (the film implies that things will get better, much as in the fantasy, tho' that betterment is contingent and limited). Linking the fantasy with reality through the same structure has the effect of generalizing the whole thing into the idea that the transition from childhood to adulthood is itself a story of a fall from grace: childhood is a state of innocence that we fall from into the real world of pain, sadness, and the burden of responsibility, a world that we have to work heroically to redeem in some way (forging happiness through imagination, the film implies). The ultimate theme is childhood as commedia.

The film also wants to redeem the purported frivolousness of fantasy by showing both fantasy and reality to have the same structure of meaning--to analogize each other, basically.

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#129 Post by Feego » Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:56 pm

That's a fascinating take on the subject, Sausage. Thanks for that.
Mr Sausage wrote:The film also wants to redeem the purported frivolousness of fantasy by showing both fantasy and reality to have the same structure of meaning--to analogize each other, basically.
It's interesting that in both The NeverEnding Story and Return to Oz, our young heroes are initially scolded by their parents for believing in fantasies (though Oz takes it quite a few steps further by Aunt Em's attempt to rid Dorothy of her fantasies through electro-shock therapy). NeverEnding concludes with the two worlds merging in a rather harmonious way -- Bastian, who heretofore was not directly involved in the storybook, is pulled in to be its savior, and the luckdragon enters the "real" world to help him in return. Oz is a bit more ambiguous concerning the existence of Dorothy's fantasy world. It may, in fact, be just a dream after all, which to me signifies a great victory for Dorothy in justifying her childhood fantasies.

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#130 Post by Shrew » Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:39 am

Ugh. I did mean to participate in this project more, but here are a few last minute defenses from my list.

Clueless
Paltrow is a good actress, but her Emma brings out all her worst qualities, all the obliviousness and haughtiness that defines GOOP. Yet the worst sin is how she always seems to be a woman playing a girl. The role is a tightrope walk between sympathetic naif and obnoxious irritant, and Paltrow's mannered approach turns the character into nails on a chalkboard. Clueless takes the opposite approach, where its always clear that Cher is a kid, and her bad decisions are that much more forgivable.

OC and Stiggs
These may be some of the most insufferable teenagers ever put on film, but doesn't that make them the perfect teenagers? From the not-as-funny-as-they-think inside jokes to the intense-but-shallow obsession with King Sunny Ade and other random touches to the rapid-fire shifts between sarcastic cruelty and vulnerability, these guys feel like teenage kids with all their warts.

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#131 Post by colinr0380 » Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:47 am

I'd only add to the above comments on The NeverEnding Story, Return to Oz and Alice In Wonderland that this also reminds me a lot of the structure of Stephen King's Dark Tower series too.

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#132 Post by domino harvey » Mon Jun 20, 2016 10:45 am

Okay, fourteen lists in and it's time to play Two Truths and a Lie again!

A. Four of the top five films are Hollywood studio films released within a twelve year span
B. The number one film on our list was named as one of the best films of the year by Cahiers du Cinema
C. Out of fourteen lists, no film appeared on even half of the lists (ie every eligible film received less than seven votes)

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#133 Post by Feego » Mon Jun 20, 2016 11:14 am

I'm thinking B and C are the truths (based on what you've said so far about the lists, C definitely has to be true).

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#134 Post by MongooseCmr » Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:24 pm

If A is true it must mean Rebel Without a Cause did not make it, or there are way more youth films voted on from the mid-40s to mid 60s than I gleaned from this thread, which seems to lean more modern

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#135 Post by knives » Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:31 pm

Actually when Rebel Without a Cause was released and certainly in the immediate aftermath there was a booming juvenile genre. While they didn't make my list you could certainly make at least five top ten contenders between Youth Runs Wild in '44 and Rebel Without a Cause just eleven years later.

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#136 Post by colinr0380 » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:16 pm

Interesting note: The Wild One from 1953 was banned in the UK until 1968! So instead it was 1955's Blackboard Jungle and its theme tune that caused teddy boy riots instead!

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#137 Post by domino harvey » Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:02 pm

Recent viewings:

Fear Strikes Out (Robert Mulligan 1957) Inexplicably loved by the Cahiers crew (who immediately turned against Mulligan when they hated everything else he did), this is just yet another embarrassing relic of the era’s turn towards self-serious Important Cinema in an effort to compete with television. Anthony Perkins is a good actor but you’d never know it from his utterly in over his head perf here as the young baseball star who must contend with the pressures of having Karl Malden for a father.

In the French Style (Robert Parrish 1962) Jean Seberg is invited back into the Hollywood fold and is cast in what is really two different movies, one about a young love affair and the other about a party girl nearing the end of her run through Paris. The film thankfully only briefly flirts with Nouvelle Vague aping early-on before settling into uninspired Hollywood avenues, capped off with a final act on Seberg’s part that makes no sense based on anything we’ve seen in the film but upholds the morality of the era.

the Manhattan Project (Marshall Brickman 1986) Shameless cashin on WarGames with a charmless protagonist who is so arrogant that he decides to make an atomic bomb and then gets upset when the government has a problem with this. The film is operating on a plane of fantasy that doesn’t lend itself to close scrutiny, I know, but I had a real problem with how the film expected the audience to side with the little shit who makes a functional atomic bomb and not, I don’t know, the government trying to stop him. I did enjoy the implausible but entertaining “heist” sequence in which the kid and his girlfriend Cynthia Nixon manage to steal plutonium from a local facility.

My Life as a Dog (Lasse Hallström 1985) Slight but enjoyable episodic slice of life tale of an obnoxious little boy who gets shipped off to distant relatives and has lots of morally suspect adventures. I’ve seen this movie so many times before and since in countless other films that it doesn’t leave much of an impact, but there’s plenty of charming grace notes to make it entertaining, even if it’s hard to recommend a movie that was so passionately just okay.

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#138 Post by knives » Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:47 pm

I actually rather like Fear Strikes Out though I take at this point I have a bigger tolerance for '50s serious cinema then you do when it is cushioned in a genre fold as in here. It's certainly a highly exaggerated take on bipolar with an overly simplified conclusion, but Perkins sells it really well in a way that makes him as the choice for Norman Bates a big duh. That said it is lumpy enough a film that I won't defend much more then as a top tier Mulligan.

And now I just realized that I missed out on a number one contender for my list, FLCL. Oh well.

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#139 Post by colinr0380 » Mon Jun 20, 2016 7:27 pm

The main lesson My Life As A Dog taught me was to never give in to peer pressure and stay away from cola bottles! But for such a relatively narratively slight tale I think My Life As A Dog really captures a period sense of place and time - it at least memorialises Laika the space dog, the fears over Sputnik and Swedish boxer Ingemar Johansson! (I presume that Hallström must be a dog lover as he's recently made Hachi: A Dog's Tale and is apparently making A Dog's Purpose as his next film!)

However I'm a bit more of a fan of Lasse Hallström's contemporary set 'young adult' works. There's actually one of them on the Criterion edition of My Life As A Dog called Shall We Go To My Or Your Place or Each Go Home Alone? I keep expecting one of these days for Criterion or somebody to put out a set of his early works that might lead to a critical rediscovery - A Lover and His Lass, Father To Be and Happy We (ABBA The Movie kind of fits in this company too). They're all wonderful, wryly comic pieces about sex, work, politics, gender and just relationships in general and show a real lightness of touch that feels a bit more muted in the literary adaptations. My Life As A Dog really seems to have been where that shift occurs, or at least began to appear.

This is reminding me though that I completely forgot about What's Eating Gilbert Grape?(!)

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#140 Post by Rayon Vert » Mon Jun 20, 2016 8:57 pm

domino harvey wrote:B. The number one film on our list was named as one of the best films of the year by Cahiers du Cinema
I'll say this is true (along with C) and that it's Rebel.

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#141 Post by domino harvey » Mon Jun 20, 2016 10:53 pm

The promised one has graced us, as sinemadelisikiz's last minute ballot (lucky number fifteen) managed to rescue an impressive dozen orphans at this late hour, including two number one picks from other members. It's a Christmas miracle! Anyone reading this who hasn't participated yet, you have til I get back from working out in the morning to submit a list. I will post notice in here when no more lists are accepted.

Only one of the three previous clues is still accurate, so here's the last round of pointless teasing with two truths and a lie:

A. The films in the top ten are in the following languages: Bengali, Czech, English, French, Japanese, and Swedish
B. Five of the six slots making up numbers 5-10 on the list are Criterion releases. One is out of print
C. The top three films are all studio pictures from Hollywood. One of the three was considered by Jean Luc Godard to be the director's least good work

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#142 Post by sinemadelisikiz » Mon Jun 20, 2016 11:44 pm

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#143 Post by domino harvey » Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:13 am

Voting closed with a perfectly appropriate sweet sixteen lists submitted. Final results to come later this morning. As for the clues, in order, the false clues were C, C, A

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#144 Post by domino harvey » Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:04 am

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FILMS OF YOUTH TOP 101

01 Rebel Without a Cause (Nicholas Ray 1955) 329
02 the Curse of the Cat People (Gunther von Fritsch and Robert Wise 1944) 245
03 Pather Panchali (Satyajit Ray 1955) 242
04 the 400 Blows / Les quatre cents coups (Francois Truffaut 1959) 241
04 the Night of the Hunter (Charles Laughton 1955) 241
06 Moonrise Kingdom (Wes Anderson 2012) 235
07 My Neighbor Totoro (Hayao Miyazaki 1988) 226
08 Los Olvidados (Luis Bunuel 1950) 219
09 Shadow of a Doubt (Alfred Hitchcock 1943) 209
10 Fucking Åmål / Show Me Love (Lukas Moodysson 1998) 204

11 the Fallen Idol (Carol Reed 1948) 199
12 I Was Born, But… (Yasujirō Ozu 1932) 198
13 Paper Moon (Peter Bogdanovich 1973) 188
14 Clueless (Amy Heckerling 1995) 179
15 Where Is the Friend's Home? (Abbas Kiarostami 1987) 178
16 Valerie and Her Week of Wonders (Jaromil Jires 1970) 176
17 Kes (Ken Loach 1969) 174
18 Margaret (Kenneth Lonergan 2011) 165
19 Grave of the Fireflies (Isao Takahata 1988) 163
20 We Are the Best! (Lukas Moodysson 2013) 162

21 Rosetta (Jean-Pierre & Luc Dardenne 1999) 157
22 Du côté d'Orouët (Jacques Rozier 1973) 150
23 Matinee (Joe Dante 1993) 146
24 Boyhood (Richard Linklater 2014) 140
25 A Brighter Summer Day (Edward Yang 1991) 139
26 A Moment of Innocence (Mohsen Makhmalbāf 1996) 129
27 Mouchette (Robert Bresson 1967) 124
28 the Breakfast Club (John Hughes 1985) 120
29 Masculin Feminin (Jean Luc Godard 1966) 119
30 Germany, Year Zero (Roberto Rossellini 1948) 117

31 Whisper of the Heart (Yoshifumi Kondō 1995) 111
32 the Spirit of the Beehive (Víctor Erice 1973) 110
33 Carrie (Brian De Palma 1976) 109
33 Zazie dans le métro (Louis Malle 1960) 109
35 Alice (Jan Svankmajer 1988) 107
36 Fanny and Alexander (Ingmar Bergman 1982) 105
37 À Nos Amour (Maurice Pialat 1983) 104
38 Detention (Joseph Kahn 2012) 103
38 the River (Jean Renoir 1951) 103
40 Pinocchio (Walt Disney producer, various directors 1940) 99

41 Blue is the Warmest Color (Abdellatif Kechiche 2013) 98
42 La chinoise (Jean Luc Godard 1967) 97
43 Love Exposure (Sion Sono 2011) 96
43 the Tracey Fragments (Bruce McDonald 2007) 96
45 Forbidden Games / Jeux interdits (Rene Clement 1952) 94
45 Rushmore (Wes Anderson 1998) 94
47 the Last Picture Show (Peter Bogdanovich 1971) 93
47 Picnic at Hanging Rock (Peter Weir 1975) 93
49 Deep End (Jerzy Skolimowski 1970) 92
50 Empire of the Sun (Steven Spielberg 1987) 89

51 Yi-Yi (Edward Yang 2000) 87
52 Daisies (Věra Chytilová 1966) 84
52 Metropolitan (Whit Stillman 1991) 84
54 Brick (Rian Johnson 2005) 83
54 L'enfance nue (Maurice Pialat 1969) 83
54 Ratcatcher (Lynne Ramsay 1999) 83
54 Splendor in the Grass (Elia Kazan 1961) 83
58 Housekeeping (Bill Forsyth 1987) 81
58 Spirited Away (Hayao Miyazaki 2001) 81
58 the White Balloon (Jafar Panahi 1995) 81

61 A Swedish Love Story (Roy Andersson 1970) 79
62 Manoël on the Island of Marvels (Raul Ruiz 1984) 78
63 American Graffiti (George Lucas 1973) 77
64 Les enfants terribles (Jean-Pierre Melville 1950) 76
64 Mädchen in Uniform (Leontine Sagan 1931) 76
64 Walkabout (Nic Roeg 1971) 76
67 Aparajito (Satyajit Ray 1956) 75
67 Badlands (Terrence Malick 1973) 75
67 Pauline At the Beach / Pauline à la plage (Eric Rohmer 1983) 75
67 the Window (Ted Tetzlaff 1949) 75

71 the Myth of the American Sleepover (David Robert Mitchell 2011) 72
72 All About Lily Chou-Chou (Shunji Iwai 2001) 71
72 Dick (Andrew Fleming 1999) 71
74 How Green Was My Valley (John Ford 1941) 70
75 Cria Cuervos (Carlos Saura 1976) 69
75 Distant Voices, Still Life (Terence Davies 1988) 69
75 If… (Lindsay Anderson 1968) 69
75 Melody For a Street Organ (Kira Muratova 2009) 69
79 the Kid (Charles Chaplin 1921) 67
79 Meet Me in St Louis (Vincent Minnelli 1944) 67

81 A High Wind in Jamaica (Alexander Mackendrick 1965) 66
82 E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (Steven Spielberg 1982) 63
83 the Annunciation (András Jeles 1984) 62
83 Four Season of Children (Hiroshi Shimizu 1939) 62
83 Kicking and Screaming (Noah Baumbach 1995) 62
86 Ivan’s Childhood (Andrei Tarkovsky 1962) 61
87 Dazed and Confused (Richard Linklater 1993) 60
87 Fast Times at Ridgemont High (Amy Heckerling 1982) 60
87 La haine (Mathieu Kassovitz 1995) 60
87 Lilja 4-Ever (Lukas Moodysson 2002) 60

91 City of God (Fernando Meirelles 2002) 59
91 King of the Hill (Steven Soderbergh 1993) 59
91 the Red Balloon (Albert Lamorisse 1956) 59
94 Big (Penny Marshall 1988) 58
95 Sink or Swim (Su Friedrich 1990) 57
96 Election (Alexander Payne 1998) 56
96 Elephant (Gus Van Sant 2003) 56
96 Four Adventures of Reinette and Mirabelle (Eric Rohmer 1987) 56
99 Come and See (Elim Klimov 1985) 55
99 Nénette and Boni (Claire Denis 1996) 55
99 Pretty Poison (Noel Black 1968) 55



ALSO RANS

(54-51 points) Inferno of First Love, Y tu mama tambien, the Squid and the Whale, the Virgin Suicides, Unknown Pleasures, Wee Willie Winkie, Il Posto, Stand by Me

(49-40) Ghost World, Our Mother’s House, Winter’s Bone, the Prime of Miss Jean Brodie, the Sandlot, Le souffe, Zéro de Conduite, the Perks of Being a Wallflower, Young and Innocent, the Faculty, Traveller, Tu dors Nicole, It Follows, Only Yesterday, Mean Girls

(39-30) the Goonies, Hanna, Mysterious Skin, Offsides, Cinema Paradiso, Sammy Going South, Sound Barrier, Turtles Can Fly, Claire’s Knee, Harold and Maude, the Wild Child / L’Enfant sauvage, Sparrows, the World of Henry Orient, Closely Watched Trains, the Neverending Story, Lake Tahoe, Innocent Sorcerers

(29-20) Summer with Monika, Tomboy (Sciamma), Kiki’s Delivery Service, Super 8, Damsels in Distress, Lovers and Lollipops, the Tin Drum

(17-11) the Secret of Roan Inish, Blue Remembered Hills, Lolita (1962), Marie Antoinette (2006), the Black Stallion

(2) the Slumber Party Massacre


ORPHANS

A Boy Named Charlie Brown, A Christmas Story, A Clockwork Orange, A Day With the Boys, A Gentle Breeze in the Village, A Hard Day’s Night, A Little Princess, A Little Romance, A Lover and His Lass, A Midsummer Night's Dream (1968), A Room for Romeo Brass, A Summer Place, A Summer’s Tale / Conte d’été, A Time For Drunken Horses, A.I., Adventureland, Age of Consent, Alamar, Allein machen sie dich ein, Alice, Sweet Alice / Communion, Alice Doesn’t Live Here Anymore, Alice in the Cities, All the Real Girls, Almost Famous, Alone: Life Wastes Andy Hardy, An American Werewolf in London, An Independent Life, Angels With Dirty Faces, Anything Can Happen, Apaches, Au revoir les enfants, the Aviator’s Wife / La Femme de l’aviateur

Baby, It’s You, Babylon, Back to the Future, the Bad News Bears (Ritchie), the Bad Seed, Ballast, Bambi, Barefoot Gen 2, Barely Lethal, Beasts of the Southern Wild, Being Two Isn’t Easy, Bend it Like Beckham, Benny’s Video, Berlin Ecke Schoenhauser, Better Off Dead, Billy Elliot, Billy Liar, the Blackboard Jungle, the Blue Bird, Bonjour Tristesse, Born in 45 / Jahrgang 45, Born on the Fourth of July, Boyfriends and Girlfriends / L’Ami de mon amie, Boy, Boy Meets Girl, Brave, Breathless, Bronco Bullfrog, Bugsy Malone

Celia, Celine and Julie Go Boating, Children’s Party, Children in the Wind, Children of the Beehive, Christine, Christmas Comes But Once a Year, the Chocolate War, City of Pirates, the Class, the Color Wheel, Coraline, Crooklyn, Crows, Cry Baby

Dance Party USA, the Day I Became a Woman, Deprisa, Deprisa, Devi, the Devil, Probably, the Devil’s Backbone, Diamonds of the Night, Diary of a Shinjuku Thief, Die Abfahrer, Donnie Darko, Donovan’s Reef, Dottie Gets Spanked, Drama/Mex

Easy Rider, 800 Bullets, El Sur, Em be hanoi, Emma (1964), the End of August at the Hotel Ozone, Endless Love (Zeffirelli), the Exorcist

the Fall, Family Life, the Fan / Der Fan, Fat Girl, First Name Carmen / Prenom Carmen, Fish Tank, the 5000 Fingers of Dr T, FLCL, 4 Months 3 Weeks 2 Days, Freeway, Freeze, Die, Come to Life, From Up on Poppy Hill, Fun, Funny Haha

the Gate, George Washington, Geschwister – Kardesler, Gidget, Girlhood, Girlstown, Good Morning, Gregory’s Girl

Hail Mary / Je sous salue Marie, Hair, Hairspray (1988), Halloween (1978), Handsworth Songs, the Happiest Days of Your Life, Hard Candy, the Harder They Come, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hollows Pt 1, Heartbeats, Heathers, Heavenly Creatures, Hello Hemingway, Hop (2002), the House is Black, Hue and Cry, Hugo

I Don’t Kiss / J’embrasse pas, I Remember Mama, I Saw What You Did, I Vitelloni, I Wanna Hold Your Hand, I Wish, Ich war 19, Ida, Illumination, Imitation of Life (1959), Innocence, the Innocents, Invaders from Mars (1953), Insiang, Inside Out, It’s Impossible to Learn to Plow by Reading Books

Juno, Jurassic Park

Kad budem mrtav i beo, Ken Park, the Key, the Kid with a Bike, Kids, Killer of Sheep, Knife in the Water, Kuchizuke /Kisses

L’Age des Possibles, L’Eau Froid, L’Enfant / the Child, L’Enfant de Paris, La Bamba, La Promesse, the Lady in White, Landscape in the Mist, Laputa: Castle in the Sky, the Last American Virgin, Last Summer, Lemora: A Child’s Tale of the Supernatural, Leon: the Professional, Les Cousins, Let the Right One In, Lili, Linda Linda Linda, the Little Fugitive, the Little Mermaid, Little Rock, Little Women (Armstrong), the Long Day Closes, Lord Love a Duck, Lord of the Flies, Louisiana Story, Loves of a Blonde, Lucas

Martin (Romero), Mauvais Sang, Mes petites amoureuses, the Mirror, Mirror, Moi un noir, Momma Don’t Allow, My Ain Folk, My Beautiful Laundrette, My Life as a Dog, My Summer of Love

Nana (2012), the Nanny (1965), the Nasty Girl, Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind, the Night of Counting the Years, Nobody Knows, Noriko's Dinner Table

OC and Stiggs, Oliver Twist (Lean), Once More, My Darling, Ordinary People, Otto; Or, Up with Dead People

P'tit Quinquin, Pact With the Devil, Palindromes, Paperhouse, Paranoid Park, Pariah, Paris nous appartient, the Party’s Over, the Passion of Joan of Arc, People on Sunday, Peppermint Soda, Permissive, Platoon, Pleasantville, Please Take Care of My Cat, the Pleasure Girls, Poil de carotte, Poltergeist, Ponette, Pressure, Pride and Prejudice (Wright), the Princess Bride, Prinzessinnenbad, Private Romeo, Pulse (1988), Pulse (2001), Putty Hill

Rani radovi, Rentree des Classes, Return to Oz, Rhapsody in August, Romeo and Juliet (1936), Romeo and Juliet (1966), Romeo and Juliet (1968), the Rules of Attraction, Rumble Fish

Salo, Scum (TV version), Secret Ceremony, Shane, the Shining, Shoeshine, the Singing Street, the Sixth Sense, Slacker, Slumdog Millionaire, Small Change, the Snapper, the Snorkel, Society, Some Kind of Wonderful, Somewhere in Dreamland, the Son, Sounder, “Sredni Vashtar" by Saki, Starlet, Status Yo!, Stealing Beauty, the Sterile Cuckoo, Summer at Grandpa’s, Summer Interlude, Summer of ’42, Susan Slept Here, Susanna

Tall Story, Tea in the Harem / Le thé au harem d'Archimède, There Was a Father, They Live By Night, Time Bandits, Tirador / Slingshot, To Whom Does the World Belong? / Kuhle Wampe, oder: Wem gehoert die Welt, True Grit (Coens), Twenty Four Eyes, Two Daughters (Ray), Two English Girls

Urotsukidoji: The Legend of the Overfiend, US Go Home

Violence: the Last Resort, the Virgin Spring, Viridiana, Vivre sa vie

War of the Worlds (2005), the Warriors, Water Lilies, Welcome to the Doll House, Wendy and Lucy, Wesh wesh qu'est-ce qui ce passe?, What Maisie Knew, When Father Was Away On Business, Where the Boys Are, Whiplash, the White Dove, the White Ribbon, Who Can Kill a Child?, Wild Reeds, Wild Style, Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory (1971), Window Water Baby Moving, the Witches (1990), the Wizard of Oz, Wolf Creek

Yellow Earth, the Young One, Young Soul Rebels, Young Törless

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#145 Post by domino harvey » Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:23 am

CLUES EXPLAINED / ESZTERHASES COMED AGAINED
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A. Only five of the top ten are Criterion releases, and none of the current top three have been released by Criterion
— True. The top three at this point were Rebel, Los Olvidados, and Curse of the Cat People
B. Three of the top five films are in English, with two being studio-era Hollywood films
—True. See above, the other English-language film was the Fallen Idol
C. None of the top five films are eligible for the All Time List, though every film has at least one other title on that list from the same director
— False. Curse of the Cat People and Rebel Without a Cause were on the list

A. Four of the top five films are Hollywood studio films released within a twelve year span
— True, it was Rebel, Curse…, Shadow of a Doubt, and Night of the Hunter
B. The number one film on our list was named as one of the best films of the year by Cahiers du Cinema
— True, Rebel
C. Out of fourteen lists, no film appeared on even half of the lists (ie every eligible film received less than seven votes)
— False. At this point Rebel and 400 Blows were both on half of the lists

A. The films in the top ten are in the following languages: Bengali, Czech, English, French, Japanese, and Swedish
— False. Spanish instead of Czech and Japanese, though Japanese ended up being correct in the final tally!
B. Five of the six slots making up numbers 5-10 on the list are Criterion releases. One is out of print
— True. I won't list out all six but the OOP one was obv Fallen Idol
C. The top three films are all studio pictures from Hollywood. One of the three was considered by Jean Luc Godard to be the director's least good work
— True, Shadow of a Doubt, which was number three on the list at this point before voting turned against it with the last ballot. The awkward grammar of “least good” is a direct quote from JLG, as he of course still liked it

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Re: Films of Youth List Discussion + Suggestions (Genre Proj

#146 Post by dustybooks » Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:32 am

Great work, Domino. I realized shortly after you closed voting that I forgot Y Tu Mama Tambien and Red Balloon, d'oh.

City of God is listed twice in the orphans, fyi.

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#147 Post by domino harvey » Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:41 am

dustybooks wrote:City of God is listed twice in the orphans, fyi.
Whoops, onto the list proper it goes, but nothing gets bumped off due to the tie at the finish line. And here I thought we'd finally have a list without a tie at the end bringing us over 100!

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#148 Post by swo17 » Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:44 am

Great work, dom! I see a few films in the orphans and also-rans (Zéro de Conduite, 5000 Fingers of Dr. T, Welcome to the Dollhouse, The White Dove) that I probably should have voted for, but I'll chalk up their omission to youthful folly.
domino harvey wrote:Three lists have been submitted so far and two of the most obvious (and deserving) titles one would automatically think to be a shoo-in for the top spot are still voteless
What were these two films?

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Re: Films of Youth List Discussion + Suggestions (Genre Proj

#149 Post by dustybooks » Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:46 am

domino harvey wrote:
dustybooks wrote:City of God is listed twice in the orphans, fyi.
Whoops, onto the list proper it goes, but nothing gets bumped off due to the tie at the finish line. And here I thought we'd finally have a list without a tie at the end bringing us over 100!
I RUINED EVERYTHING, it's my childhood all over again

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Re: Films of Youth List Discussion + Suggestions (Genre Proj

#150 Post by domino harvey » Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:49 am

swo17 wrote:
domino harvey wrote:Three lists have been submitted so far and two of the most obvious (and deserving) titles one would automatically think to be a shoo-in for the top spot are still voteless
What were these two films?
Rebel Without a Cause and Fucking Åmål, though it turns out I'd missed the vote for the latter under its English title on one of the lists

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