The All-Time List Discussion Thread

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Re: The All-Time List Discussion Thread

#676 Post by DarkImbecile » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:19 pm

As for Shrew's list of neglected titles, I've only seen Irreversible and The Tribe, so you can +1 all the rest.

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Re: The All-Time List Discussion Thread

#677 Post by DarkImbecile » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:27 pm

JohnShade wrote:Curious for the W Anderson voters, particularly those who placed Tenenbaums so high, was that your first Wes movie or just the overall favorite?
I actually saw Rushmore first and watched all the rest consecutively in theaters, but re-watched Tenenbaums about a year ago and just felt that it worked in several areas (warmth, humor, cinematography, music, editing) at levels he's reached or surpassed in his subsequent work, but never all at once the way he did with that film.

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Re: The All-Time List Discussion Thread

#678 Post by domino harvey » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:37 pm

JohnShade wrote:Has Contempt had a better reputation historically than Pierrot?
I think it's the one-off title in the director's oeuvre that even Godard non-believers tend to like, though I'm not sure why that is!

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Re: The All-Time List Discussion Thread

#679 Post by knives » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:45 pm

Band of Outsiders gets that too. Can't speak for why there, but Contempt is far more reflexive and with a more conventional humour than Godard's norm which certainly helps its reputation.

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Re: The All-Time List Discussion Thread

#680 Post by Rayon Vert » Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:02 pm

It's fun reading people's full lists and getting a sense of their favorites. For the fun of it, I looked to see (among those who displayed their full lists) who I had the most chosen titles in common:

14. dustybooks; a man stayed-put
13. Darkimbecile
11. Lowry-sam
10. JohnShade; movielocke
9. domino harvey; accatone
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Re: The All-Time List Discussion Thread

#681 Post by DarkImbecile » Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:07 pm

Rayon Vert wrote:It's fun reading people's full lists and getting a sense of their favorites. For the fun of it, I looked to see (among those who displayed their full lists) who I had the most chosen titles in common:

14. dustybooks; a man stayed-put
13. Darkimbecile
11. Lowry-sam
10. JohnShade; movielocke
9. domino harvey
You're on the right side of history, my friend.

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Re: The All-Time List Discussion Thread

#682 Post by Rayon Vert » Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:09 pm

:lol:

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Re: The All-Time List Discussion Thread

#683 Post by zedz » Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:29 pm

I don't think I've posted my list yet.

Here it is, orphans asterisked:

1. A Brighter Summer Day
2. Mirror
3. The General
4. Man of the West
5. Celine and Julie Go Boating
6. Early Summer
7. Sherman’s March
8. The Terrorizer
9. City of Pirates
10. Inferno of First Love

11. Eaux d’Artifice
12. Study No. 7
13. The Man Who Left His Will on Film *
14. A Man Escaped
15. Sink or Swim *
16. Jeanne Dielman, 23 Quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles
17. Medea *
18. The Band Wagon
19. Nenette et Boni *
20. Andrey Rublyov

21. Yi Yi
22. Virgin Stripped Bare by Her Bachelors *
23. The Roaring Twenties
24. Goodbye, Dragon Inn
25. Force of Evil
26. Alice
27. Satantango
28. Taipei Story
29. Hear My Cry
30. Le Trou

31. The Rules of the Game
32. Ritual in Transfigured Time *
33. The Searchers
34. Bringing Up Baby
35. Berlin Alexanderplatz
36. The Colour of Pomegranates
37. Close Up
38. The Red and the White
39. Seven Samurai
40. The Asthenic Syndrome *

41. My Joy
42. The Night of the Hunter
43. A Canterbury Tale
44. La Gueule Ouverte
45. A Moment of Innocence
46. Porcile
47. Flowers of Shanghai
48. Werckmeister Harmonies
49. Nashville
50. Le Samourai

My next eight were:

Went the Day Well
Death By Hanging
The Wind Will Carry Us
I Know Where I'm Going!
Mysteries of Lisbon
My Neighbour Totoro
Diary of a Shinjuku Thief *
Au Hasard Balthazar

All except the ineligible Oshima got bumped up in the second round (I didn't bother with any reshuffling or rethinking).

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Re: The All-Time List Discussion Thread

#684 Post by feckless boy » Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:20 pm

Here is my complete list colour-coded according to forum standard.

1. Walking from Munich to Berlin
2. Sans Soleil
3. Earth
4. Boudu Saved from Drowning
5. Stagecoach
6. Notre Musique
7. Inferno of First Love

8. L’Avventura
9. City of Pirates

10. The Turin Horse
11. Tokyo Story
12. Finis Terrae
13. A Canterbury Tale
14. La Passion de Jeanne d’Arc
15. The Man with the Movie Camera

16. A Man Escaped
17. L’Atalante
18. Trouble in Paradise

19. The Unknown
20. A City of Sadness
21. Rebecca

22. Seven Samurai
23. The Gold Rush :shock:
24. Marketa Lazarová
25. Pather Panchali

26. Twentieth Century
27. Mr Thank You

28. Our Hospitality
29. Taipei Story

30. Red River
31. Lady from Shanghai
32. Partie de campagne
33. Port of Shadows
34. 4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days
35. Listen to Britain
36. Study No. 7
37. Maskerade

38. Duck Soup
39. 7th Heaven
40. The Wind

41. Man of the West
42. My Joy

43. Mädchen in Uniform
44. Blonde Venus

45. The Shining
46. Zodiac
47. L’Annulaire
48. Suspiria
49. Night of the Living Dead

50. Bride of Frankenstein

Don't have time to comment a the moment, but please feel free to ask if any of my choices seem totally out of line.

edit: Just noticed a couple of peculiar similarities between zedz' and my own lists - uncanny?

zedz
9. City of Pirates
10. Inferno of First Love
14. A Man Escaped
28. Taipei Story
41. My Joy

my list
7. Inferno of First Love
9. City of Pirates
16. A Man Escaped
29. Taipei Story
42. My Joy

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Re: The All-Time List Discussion Thread

#685 Post by Shrew » Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:46 pm

I've updated the Blind Spot list to a full 100 here: The UNKNOWN... has only been reported unseen by 5 people and so is not on the list.

Again, send me your unwatched list via PM or post it here. Then seek out these forgotten films.

As an aside, here are the 69* films that all 13 people who've shared their lists so far have watched. Not many surprises, except maybe Broadcast News.

2001: A Space Odyssey

A Clockwork Orange
Annie Hall
Apocalypse Now
Barton Fink
Blade Runner
Blue Velvet
Breathless
Broadcast News
Casablanca
Chinatown
Citizen Kane
Dazed and Confused
Die Hard
Do the Right Thing
Double Indemnity
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Eyes Wide Shut
Fight Club
Goodfellas
His Girl Friday
L'Atalante
L'avventura
Madame de…
Manhattan
Memento
My Darling Clementine
No Country for Old Men
North by Northwest
Notorious
O Brother, Where Art Thou?
Once Upon a Time in the West
Only Angels Have Wings
Paris, Texas
Paths of Glory
Persona
Pierrot le fou
Psycho
Pulp Fiction
Punch-Drunk Love
Raging Bull
Rear Window
Rome, Open City
Rushmore
Sunrise
Sunset Blvd.
Sweet Smell of Success
Taxi Driver
The 39 Steps
The Apartment
The Battle of Algiers
The Birds
The Conversation
The Godfather
The Godfather Part II
The Graduate
The Master
The Rules of the Game
The Shining
The Silence of the Lambs
The Third Man
There Will Be Blood
To Be or Not to Be
Touch of Evil
Un chien andalou
Vertigo
Wings of Desire
Zodiac

*Beware of hyphens.
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The All-Time List Discussion Thread

#686 Post by TMDaines » Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:54 pm

I posted my full list of unseen and I have not seen Pee Wee's so I suggest that that is an error.

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Re: The All-Time List Discussion Thread

#687 Post by Shrew » Fri Mar 31, 2017 7:34 pm

Yup, I didn't catch the hyphen vs. space. Actually, 4 people hadn't seen Pee-Wee. I also didn't catch that you had used the full title of Dr. Strangelove, so that's been removed too.

I think I've caught most of the irregularites, but there may be more.

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Re: The All-Time List Discussion Thread

#688 Post by Lighthouse » Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:33 am

Similar to the S&S list or the TSPDT list there are too many old films in the list for my taste. Old means here before the 60s. Films are generally better made (= more fascinating) after the 50s.

It was always so that the taste of critics is comparatively conservative, and of course I like my share too of older films, but I always hoped that this will change with a new generation of film lovers, who were raised with newer films. Mhmm ...

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Re: The All-Time List Discussion Thread

#689 Post by DarkImbecile » Sat Apr 01, 2017 9:33 am

Did you submit a list in an attempt to rectify this?

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Re: The All-Time List Discussion Thread

#690 Post by A man stayed-put » Sat Apr 01, 2017 9:46 am

I for one would like to apologise to Lighthouse for liking so many boring old films

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#691 Post by swo17 » Sat Apr 01, 2017 10:05 am

DarkImbecile wrote:Did you submit a list in an attempt to rectify this?
He did submit a list. 15 of the films on there (30%) were pre-1960s. The overall list was 43% pre-1960s.

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Re: The All-Time List Discussion Thread

#692 Post by swo17 » Sat Apr 01, 2017 10:15 am

My blindspots:
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My orphans: The Convent, The Good Fairy, The Stone Wedding, The Outlaw and His Wife, I Was Born But...

My top 10 (note that Miller's Crossing and Zorns Lemma would have kicked down the bottom two had they been eligible):

01 Sherlock Jr.
02 Study No. 7
03 To Be or Not to Be
04 Manoël on the Island of Marvels
05 Where Is the Friend's Home?
06 Rushmore
07 Marketa Lazarová
08 Punch-Drunk Love
09 Celine and Julie Go Boating
10 Ordet

The rest of my list (in order): Dancer in the Dark, The Hypothesis of the Stolen Painting, Pee Wee's Big Adventure, Bringing Up Baby, Last Year at Marienbad, Vertigo, Ivan the Terrible, The Godfather, La Passion de Jeanne d'Arc, The Color of Pomegranates, Throne of Blood, Pierrot le fou, Phantom of the Paradise, Finis terræ, Mauvais sang, Porcile, Dogville, Gold Diggers of 1933, Days of Heaven, The Turin Horse, City of Pirates, La Jetée, A Moment of Innocence, Taxi Driver, La Chute de la maison Usher, Boudu Saved from Drowning, The Red Shoes, Dekalog, The General, Le Trou, A Man Escaped, My Joy, Mirror, La Promesse, Out of the Past, Der letzte Mann, The Lady Eve, Melancholia, Berlin Alexanderplatz, Dr. Strangelove

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Re: The All-Time List Discussion Thread

#693 Post by Rayon Vert » Sat Apr 01, 2017 10:47 am

Lighthouse wrote:Films are generally better made (= more fascinating) after the 50s.
That's funny. I've pretty much got the opposite view (replace 70s for 50s) - even though my heaviest cinema-going and movie-renting years (pre-dedicated cinephile) were 1980-2007.

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#694 Post by Tommaso » Sat Apr 01, 2017 12:15 pm

My list (and my blind spots) shows that I clearly regard films made before 1960 as more fascinating. Here's my list, orphans in italics:

1. The Man with a Movie Camera (Vertov 1929)
2. The Red Shoes (Powell & Pressburger 1948)
3. Orphée (Cocteau 1950)
4. Mulholland Dr. (Lynch 2001)
5. Mirror (Tarkovsky 1975)
6. Pather Panchali (Ray 1955)
7. La ronde (Ophuls 1950)
8. Sunrise (Murnau 1927)
9. Persona (Bergman 1966)
10. Solaris (Tarkovsky 1972)
11. Ran (Kurosawa 1985)
12. Celine et Julie vont en bateau (Rivette 1974)
13. Metropolis (Lang 1927)
14. Maskerade (Forst 1934)
15. Under the Olive Trees (Kiarostami 1994)
16. Die wunderbare Lüge der Nina Petrowna (Schwarz 1929)
17. Opfergang (Harlan 1944)
18. La belle noiseuse (Rivette 1991)
19. Ich bei Tag und du bei Nacht (Berger 1932)
20. The Searchers (Ford 1957)
21. The Band Wagon (Minnelli 1953)
22. Lonesome (Fejös 1928)
23. Ordet (Dreyer 1955)
24. Tokyo Story (Ozu 1953)
25. Melancholia (von Trier 2011)
26. A Canterbury Tale (Powell & Pressburger 1944)
27. Die Nibelungen (Lang 1924)
28. The Scarlet Empress (Sternberg 1934)
29. Nosferatu (Murnau 1922)
30. La passion de Jeanne d'Arc (Dreyer 1928)
31. Trouble in Paradise (Lubitsch 1932)
32. Modern Times (Chaplin 1936)
33. Panoramic View of the Morecambe Sea Front (Mitchell & Kenyon 1901)
34. Der letzte Mann (Murnau 1924)
35. La belle et la bête (Cocteau 1946)
36. In The Mood For Love (Wong 2000)
37. Throne of Blood (Kurosawa 1957)
38. Partie de campagne (Renoir 1936)
39. Dorian Gray im Spiegel der Boulevardpresse (Ottinger 1984)
40. Les Vampires (Feuillade 1916)
41. The Seventh Seal (Bergman 1957)
42. North by Northwest (Hitchcock 1959)
43. La chute de la maison Usher (Epstein 1928)
44. Les yeux sans visage (Franju 1960)
45. Il fuoco (Pastrone 1916)
46. Inland Empire (Lynch 2006)
47. Vertigo (Hitchcock 1958)
48. L'eclisse (Antonioni 1962)
49. Kwaidan (Kobayashi 1965)
50. Le regle du jeu (Renoir 1939)

As I have five orphans, I later added:

51. L'Atalante (Vigo 1932)
52. The Battleship Potemkin (Eisenstein 1925)
53. Citizen Kane (Welles 1941)
54. Un chien andalou (Bunuel 1928)
55. Love Me Tonight (Mamoulian 1932)

And these are my blind spots (in chronological order):
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Frankenstein, The Cameraman's Revenge, Suspense, Hell's Hinges, When the Clouds Roll By, Our Hospitality, I Am a Fugitive from a Chain Gang, The Good Fairy, Morning's Tree-Lined Street, Only Angels Have Wings, Went the Day Well?, Fires Were Started, A Diary for Timothy, Hangover Square, Canyon Passage, The Best Years of Our Lives, They Made Me a Fugitive, Out of the Past, The Ghost and Mrs. Muir, Force of Evil, Yellow Sky, I Was a Male War Bride, Ace in the Hole, Diary of a Country Priest, Johnny Guitar, All That Heaven Allows, Kiss Me Deadly, The Girl Can't Help It, Sweet Smell of Success, A Face in the Crowd, Man of the West, Some Came Running, Imitation of Life, A Midsummer Night's Dream, Anatomy of a Murder, Le Trou, The Manchurian Candidate, The Fire Within, Seconds, Le Samouraï, The Red and the White, Z, The Cow, Little Big Man, The Conformist, Le Cercle rouge, Deep End, The Ear, Performance, Carnal Knowledge, Two-Lane Blacktop, Walkabout, The Last Picture Show, McCabe & Mrs. Miller, Du côté d'Orouët, The Long Goodbye, Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid, Phantom of the Paradise, The Conversation, La Gueule ouverte, Jeanne Dielman, At Long Last Love, Fox and His Friends, Nashville, 3 Women, Manhattan, Raging Bull, Heaven's Gate, Stardust Memories, Modern Romance, Blow Out, They All Laughed, À nos amours, The Right Stuff, L'Argent, Body Double, Yellow Earth, Heimat, Love Streams, Amadeus, Broadway Danny Rose, Taipei Story, Come and See, After Hours, Sherman's March, Pee-wee's Big Adventure, The Man Who Planted Trees, Broadcast News, Chocolat, Dead Ringers, The Vanishing, My Neighbour Totoro, Grave of the Fireflies, Alice, Die Hard, Kiki's Delivery Service, The Seventh Continent, Chameleon Street, Crimes and Misdemeanors, To Sleep with Anger, Paris Is Burning, The Asthenic Syndrome , Goodfellas, Sink or Swim, Barton Fink, Hear My Cry, Unforgiven, Manufacturing Consent, Dazed and Confused, Short Cuts, Safe, Nénette et Boni, La Promesse, L.A. Confidential, Henry Fool, Flowers of Shanghai, The Hole, Rushmore, L'Humanité, Fight Club, Rosetta, Yi yi, O Brother, Where Art Thou?, Spirited Away, Millennium Mambo, The Man Who Wasn't There, A.I.: Artificial Intelligence, The Royal Tenenbaums, City of God, Irréversible, Lilja 4-ever, Punch-Drunk Love, Talk to Her, Elephant, The Incredibles, Birth, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, Moolaadé, L'Annulaire, Caché, Children of Men, The Lives of Others, The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford, Ratatouille, Zodiac, No Country for Old Men, There Will Be Blood, 35 Shots of Rum, About Elly, Police, adj., My Joy, A Separation, The Turin Horse, Margaret, The Master, Moonrise Kingdom, American Hustle, Enemy, The Immigrant, Inside Llewyn Davis, Under the Skin, We Are the Best!, Upstream Color, Her, Whiplash, The Tribe, Boyhood, Mommy

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Re: The All-Time List Discussion Thread

#695 Post by domino harvey » Sat Apr 01, 2017 12:41 pm

I think I'm getting old, I don't even want to take Lighthouse's bait

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#696 Post by John Shade » Sat Apr 01, 2017 1:22 pm

I did a quick control f on the giant 1000 TSPDT list and it seems the majority there was also post-'60s.

Interesting to see all the Pee Wee love on this thread. Guess it's time to see it again.

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#697 Post by Ribs » Sat Apr 01, 2017 6:03 pm

JohnShade wrote:I did a quick control f on the giant 1000 TSPDT list and it seems the majority there was also post-'60s.

Interesting to see all the Pee Wee love on this thread. Guess it's time to see it again.
I think it has an appeal similar to Bottle Rocket where it's clearly of a cohesive voice with his later work but it's just a little bit looser around the edges because Burton hasn't quite found what his thing was quite yet and that makes me prefer it to his (admittedly ridiculously great) follow-ups, which gives it this great air of auteurism and being a serious work of cinema unlike everything around it in my (and others' lists) but it never feels to have such pretensions about its importance.

(Ed Wood would probably also make a general top 20 of mine if it were included[/b], for what it's worth; I think his first 7 are to greater-or-lesser extents perfect and yearn for him to finally have something resembling a comeback)

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#698 Post by zedz » Sat Apr 01, 2017 6:54 pm

Lighthouse wrote:Similar to the S&S list or the TSPDT list there are too many old films in the list for my taste. Old means here before the 60s. Films are generally better made (= more fascinating) after the 50s.

It was always so that the taste of critics is comparatively conservative, and of course I like my share too of older films, but I always hoped that this will change with a new generation of film lovers, who were raised with newer films. Mhmm ...
So a vote for A Page of Madness , Walking from Munich to Berlin or Ritual in Transfigured Time is inherently more 'conservative' than one for The Godfather, Reservoir Dogs or Jurassic Park? I can't really tackle "better" or "more fascinating", because I'm 99% certain they have no actual substantive meaning in your post. (Beyond the obvious "I feel more comfortable with them")

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#699 Post by knives » Sun Apr 02, 2017 1:52 am

Ribs wrote:
JohnShade wrote:I did a quick control f on the giant 1000 TSPDT list and it seems the majority there was also post-'60s.

Interesting to see all the Pee Wee love on this thread. Guess it's time to see it again.
I think it has an appeal similar to Bottle Rocket where it's clearly of a cohesive voice with his later work but it's just a little bit looser around the edges because Burton hasn't quite found what his thing was quite yet and that makes me prefer it to his (admittedly ridiculously great) follow-ups, which gives it this great air of auteurism and being a serious work of cinema unlike everything around it in my (and others' lists) but it never feels to have such pretensions about its importance.

(Ed Wood would probably also make a general top 20 of mine if it were included[/b], for what it's worth; I think his first 7 are to greater-or-lesser extents perfect and yearn for him to finally have something resembling a comeback)
Batman Returns all the way for me. I think I even voted for it in the '90s. Certainly aside from Clueless I can't think of a better summary of Hollywood in that decade.

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#700 Post by Noiradelic » Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:49 am

Shrew wrote:send me your unwatched list via PM or post it here.
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Through the Olive Trees, Blue is the Warmest Color, J’accuse, La Roue, Napoleon, A Cottage on Dartmoor, About Elly, Blind Justice, Præsidenten, Yellow Earth, Chocolat, Nénette et Boni, 35 Shots of Rum, Police, adj, Shoah, The Cow, L'Annulaire, Rapt, Heimat, Terrorizers, Blind Husbands, The Wedding March, The Doll, The Love Parade, City Girl, Head-On, 7th Heaven, The Man Who Planted Trees, Dr. Mabuse, the Gambler, Die Nibelungen, The Testament of Dr. Mabuse, Cabiria, Il fuoco, The Wonderful Lies of Nina Petrowna, Kiki's Delivery Service, Unter den Brücken, Japanese Girls at the Harbor, Virgin Stripped Bare by Her Bachelors, Flowers of Shanghai, Millennium Mambo, Fires Were Started, A Diary for Timothy, Le Pont du Nord, Histoire de Marie et Julien, The Immigrant, Finis terræ Maldone, La petite Lise, Gueule d'amour, Hail Mary, Notre musique, Goodbye to Language, Paris Is Burning, The World, A Midsummer Night's Dream, Au bonheur des dames, The Asthenic Syndrome, Mauvais sang Hypocrites, Fantômas, Les Vampires, Zazie dans le metro, Ich bei Tag und du bei Nacht, Hear My Cry, The Convent, Drôle de drame, The Human Condition, La Gueule ouverte, The Blue Bird, Sir Arne's Treasure, Liebelei, The Seventh Continent, Morning's Tree-Lined Street, The Stone Wedding, A Moment of Innocence, The Tribe, Diary of a Shinjuku Thief, Walking from Munich to Berlin, Study No. 7, Moolaadé, The Falls, Porcile, Medea, Regeneration, The Hypothesis of the Stolen Painting, Manoël on the Island of Marvels, Days and Nights in the Forest, My Joy, Black Rain, Pee-wee's Big Adventure, The Hole, Dorian Gray as Represented in the Popular Press, Opfergang, When the Clouds Roll By, A Man There Was, The Outlaw and His Wife, Chameleon Street, Maskerade, The Last Flight, Hell's Hinges, The Good Fairy, The Goddess, Mommy, Tokyo Twilight, After Death, The Dying Swan

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