The Lists Project

An ongoing survey of the Criterion Forum membership to create lists of the best films of each decade and genre.
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Re: The Lists Project

#2201 Post by zedz » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:21 pm

colinr0380 wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:17 pm
Definitely like the idea of a music video list project. I might be able to participate a bit in this one! I have those "The Works of..." collections as well, so would be able to collaborate with zedz on talking about them (and I also have fond memories of Channel 4's fantastic Mirrorball series from 1999 which preceded it)

And I agree on Michel Gondry working wonderfully in the music video area. Sugar Water and Come Into My World are fantastic, and I hope the other video domino mentions is the Massive Attack one, which seems like a music video version of stylistic conceits used in Cocteau's The Blood of a Poet!
I'm pretty sure domino's top three includes 'Let Forever Be'. From memory he's an even bigger champion of that one than me.

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Re: The Lists Project

#2202 Post by domino harvey » Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:26 pm

The odds of anything but Let Forever Be topping my list are so infinitesimal that they rival the lotto. To put guessing games out to pasture, that and Come Into My World and Bjork's Bachelorette are the three I was thinking of

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#2203 Post by zedz » Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:55 pm

Voila!

It's as if Busby Berkeley somehow had a glimpse into the future, saw the cheap video effects of the 1980s, and tried to recreate them with real-life choreography.

As with 'Come Into My World' and most of Gondry's best videos, just coming up with the concept for the film is as remarkable as actually pulling it off.

'Come Into My World's imaginative coup is managing to conceive of a universe in which time is both linear and looped, and choreographing his action in four dimensions with motion control in order to demonstrate what that would look like.

Come Into My World

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#2204 Post by domino harvey » Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:32 pm

Worth keeping in mind that the only version of Let Forever Be on YouTube is cropped to be "widescreen," so one will need to watch it on the Gondry DVD to get the full effect. The disc is actually OOP, but there appears to be several used copies available on eBay for less than $10 shipped

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#2205 Post by BenoitRouilly » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:44 am

And here's the "making of" for Come Into My World.
It was shot in a real street of Paris (not a studio set) and in one take!

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Re: The Lists Project

#2206 Post by colinr0380 » Thu Jun 06, 2019 3:26 am

There are so many great Gondry videos on that set that Let Forever Be is a worthy number one (Bachelorette is also a fave too). Especially for anyone who can sympathise with being kept awake by incessant drumming only to oversleep and end up being late for work in the morning! And Come Into My World is wonderful too: I sometimes think that it is all of the themes of Haneke's Code Unknown compressed into a couple of minutes!

It is worth noting also that The Chemical Brothers got a run of magnificent music videos in the late 90s and early 2000s: The Test is my absolute favourite (Buster Keaton homage and all), but I also like Setting Sun (mostly for the film posters on the walls!) and the 'life story of a bone obsessed party animal' Hey Boy Hey Girl and of course Block Rockin' Beats (which is a kind of homage to The Warriors). Not to mention Sofia Coppola doing gymnastics in Elektrobank (NSFW) by Spike Jonze, and Out of Control with Rosario Dawson!

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Re: The Lists Project

#2207 Post by domino harvey » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:48 pm

Discussion of the country viewing project moved here

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Re: The Lists Project

#2208 Post by domino harvey » Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:29 pm

For those who missed it, all of seven people submitted a ballot for the Shakespeare List, Far below the bare minimum of ten (and even that is a pathetically low number to begin with). It looks like the Music Video list will probably have strong participation, and the Horror List Redux will likely repeat huge numbers like the first edition, so we won’t have to think about this for a few months, BUT if we get another less than 10 member submission list again, I’m scrapping all scheduled non-decade lists— it’s just not worth the energy or effort if no one is going to play

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Re: The Lists Project

#2209 Post by Rayon Vert » Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:56 pm

Just an idea. Maybe it would be a good idea to have members that want to play express their commitment to do so at the start, so that there would be a certainty of the project reaching fruition?

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#2210 Post by domino harvey » Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:59 pm

We already kinda did that via the voting process, which was supposed to prevent this from happening. I don’t want to get into members pledging and feeling like they owe or are indebted to submit— I want members to want to participate. If these no longer fit the needs of the forum, that’s too bad but it’s also okay. I don’t take it personally, but I’m also not looking to bother again on something and ask others to do the same if it turns out to be something so few people care about

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#2211 Post by therewillbeblus » Tue Sep 24, 2019 1:25 pm

I agree that it's incredibly frustrating and have to wonder what variables are at play that prevent people from submitting lists. Not that there's an excuse, but a lot of lively participation occurred from enough members in the Shakespeare thread where I have to imagine at least a few people will see that it's scrapped in the next day or two and realize they missed the boat. I'm not necessarily suggesting hand-holding interventions like reminding people to subscribe to the tab for notifications (something I only learned was an option recently...) but that could be a factor and potentially a helpful reminder; or perhaps people mistakenly thought they had until the end of the month like other lists and planned to submit theirs with their rent check? I'm clearly grasping at straws here, and the responsibility absolutely lies with the members to stay on top of it, but I have a hard time believing that incredibly motivated people in the thread didn't submit a list intentionally, or didn't want to participate, and whatever these barriers are, they're worth exploring or at least putting on the table.

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Re: The Lists Project

#2212 Post by TMDaines » Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:07 pm

I do all the decade lists now and have done some of the filmmakers. I like the 9 month cycle of the decade lists. I can take a few months slow, dive in, watch increasingly more, buy increasingly more, then submit a list... with still a 100 films on my shelf to watch and another 100 from backchannels and the like (I never learn). Rinse and repeat.

The tempo of many of the other lists is to quick for me, perhaps as I am starting from a lower base than others. I'll likely do Wilder as I can watch another 7 or 8 of his films over a couple of months and have seen most, but no desire to go from having seen 4 or 5 Hawks films to 20 or 30 in such a short time. No idea why I didn't do Renoir or Godard last year though. Was a dry patch for film watching I guess.

Genre I find unappealing for two reasons. 1) I don't have the appetite to deep dive in any genre for more than a few weeks. I'm finding it exhausting just trying to watch all the possibly Italian neorealist films for the 1940s project, whilst allso wanting to watch more widely, and that's quite a tiny pool of 20-40 films! 2) With decades (and filmmakers) it is more cut and dry what is included and not. I prefer topics that are more black and white. OK, Shakespeare arguably is that, but many of the other themes are more wishy-washy.

I probably would have done the Best Picture Winners list, but I probably completely missed that when I didn't visit the forum that often for a few weeks. I've literally only just clicked in that thread for the first time. Two months is a short timespan, especially for the nominees lists.

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The Lists Project

#2213 Post by movielocke » Sat Sep 28, 2019 4:10 pm

Digging into Shakespeare didn’t seem that appealing and I’m trying to cut back on any new viewing projects because My kevyip pile has started to grow with the channel and because the programming on the channel is so superb I’d kind of rather take those small batches of something than a mega dose of Shakespeare.

And I’m still sorta hooked on the fun of the best picture project and have been rewatching a couple winners every month since it ended.

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Re: The Lists Project

#2214 Post by senseabove » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:53 am

Is there a reason the Lists sub-forum threads don't appear in the "Active Topics" tab?

I unfortunately don't have the time to be the most active list-maker, but even after participating in the Pre-Code mini-list, I missed the 1930s list because I just forgot to check the sub-forum for a long time, and I know IRL at least one other poster who had similarly just missed/forgotten about the sub-forum. Most of the time, the Active Topics tab is how I stumble across threads I'm not already subscribed to, unless it's a really slow day and I start spelunking elsewhere... Maybe I'm alone in using it that way, but if I'm not, there might be more buy-in if folks had more opportunity to stumble across the active List threads.

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Re: The Lists Project

#2215 Post by therewillbeblus » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:06 pm

I find it helpful to subscribe to all the threads with projects I’m interested in participating in and get email alerts on my phone when there are updates, which makes me more aware of the timeline so it becomes difficult to miss any deadlines.

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#2216 Post by senseabove » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:17 pm

Yes, thread subscriptions and the Active Topics tab are the prompt for most of my interaction with the board. But you have to know the Lists sub-forum exists and know the project is underway before you can subscribe to it. Since there was lamenting over the lack of participants in some lists, above, just made me wonder. If more people had opportunities to come across the sub-forum and see the List threads bumped because those threads were included in the Active Topics tab...

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Re: The Lists Project

#2217 Post by Altair » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:19 pm

I just used the Unread Posts tab to keep up to date with what's current (and Lists Projects show up there, too).

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Re: The Lists Project

#2218 Post by senseabove » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:06 pm

Altair wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:19 pm
I just used the Unread Posts tab to keep up to date with what's current (and Lists Projects show up there, too).
Which I had completely forgotten existed! I guess I don't look to that corner of the page except for Notifications, and they get all my attention when I do.

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Re: The Lists Project

#2219 Post by domino harvey » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:10 pm

I've flagged Chris on this a few times, I think there's some reason it can't be added to Active Topics. I agree it would be preferable to be included

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#2220 Post by cdnchris » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:10 pm

I need to look at this again but I'm pretty sure it has to do with it being a private sub forum only open to members

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Re: The Lists Project

#2221 Post by senseabove » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:17 pm

cdnchris wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:10 pm
I need to look at this again but I'm pretty sure it has to do with it being a private sub forum only open to members
I assumed that was the case at first, but I can currently see the Lists sub-forum without being logged in...

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Re: The Lists Project

#2222 Post by theflirtydozen » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:31 pm

domino harvey wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:05 pm
As far as I know, no one's made Letterboxd lists for any of our recent List Projects. If you're interested, go for it!
Here you go! (for the decades lists, at least) pre-1920's | 1920's | 1930's | 1940's
Anyone should let me know if I fumbled the importing, especially with the notes. I also relied on the imdb lists by TMDaines, so special thanks to them! Hopefully I'll keep up on this as we go through the later decades.

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Re: The Lists Project

#2223 Post by domino harvey » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:47 pm

Thanks for doing this, I was hoping someone would!

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Re: The Lists Project

#2224 Post by theflirtydozen » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:55 pm

It's no problem! I could easily do this for other lists the board has made recently (assuming there are IMDB lists already), I just only participate in the decades lists so I'm fairly certain I'll stay on top of those. Also, wasn't sure if this was the best place for these, or if I should have put them in the individual list threads or even the Letterboxd thread.

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Re: The Lists Project

#2225 Post by domino harvey » Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:00 pm

Might be worth us adding these (and any other ones) and TMDaines’ IMDB lists to the stickied List Project FAQ at some point, but in the interim I think this is as good a place as any to share

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