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HerrSchreck
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Re: Jean Grémillon

#126 Post by HerrSchreck » Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:43 pm

First I Image'd.

and then housecleaning Image'd.

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Re: Jean Grémillon

#127 Post by Zazou dans le Metro » Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:15 pm

HerrSchreck wrote:First I Image'd.

and then I Image'd.
Hey Schrecko..You been taking lessons from Fabrice Luchini?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_3D9xXjqgVs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(I tried to find the example in Intimate Strangers that's even better but this will do as a primer)

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Re: Jean Grémillon

#128 Post by HerrSchreck » Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:33 pm

See that? You embarassed my smiley guy away by associating him with French Comedy, which is never funny (I think there's actually something in the civil code-- Tati was given a rare permit). Now all that remains is someone vaccuuming up the cigaret ashes and confetti from the party..

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Re: Jean Grémillon

#129 Post by Zazou dans le Metro » Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:31 pm

HerrSchreck wrote:See that? You embarassed my smiley guy away by associating him with French Comedy, which is never funny (I think there's actually something in the civil code-- Tati was given a rare permit). Now all that remains is someone vaccuuming up the cigaret ashes and confetti from the party..
Well rather than jump to the defence of french comedy (I'm no Clarence Darrow ) I was thinking along the lines of 'excruciating' rather than 'funny'.

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Re: Jean Grémillon

#130 Post by GringoTex » Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:02 pm

You guys have hyped Gremillon so much, I better not be disappointed.

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Re: Jean Grémillon

#131 Post by Knappen » Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:59 am

Bah. We'll start badmouthing him when he becomes available to the masses and start up a French Comedy thread instead.

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Re: Jean Grémillon

#132 Post by HerrSchreck » Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:11 pm

It's time to start praising Amelie effusively.

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Re: Jean Grémillon

#133 Post by Tommaso » Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:42 pm

You will begin to love Amelie once you've seen Fanfan....

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Re: Jean Grémillon

#134 Post by HerrSchreck » Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:13 pm

I can think of more pleasurable forms of self abuse.

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Re: Jean Grémillon

#135 Post by Knappen » Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:54 pm

To get back to business:

The Cinémathèque francaise are showing Maldone february 21st and their program is advertising a 102 minutes print. This is 20 minutes more than the Arte rip that I, and probably a lot of you out there, have in my collection. One should never take such information too seriously (hello IMDb!), but I'm anxious to see if there is more material saved from the original three hour version that was cut before commersial screenings of the film. (Unfortunately the can I "found" on the previous page of this thread only contained confined duck)

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Re: Jean Grémillon

#136 Post by HerrSchreck » Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:04 pm

Keep us posted and well-stocked.

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Re: Jean Grémillon

#137 Post by Knappen » Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:11 pm

I'll send some duck for christmas.

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Re: Jean Grémillon

#138 Post by Michael » Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:44 am

There are movies that I can get through just fine without needing to know the language. How much French language is essential in following Gueule d'Amour? My French is very slight and would I be able to follow the film without English subs?

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Re: Jean Grémillon

#139 Post by HerrSchreck » Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:25 pm

Yes. Absolutely-- and if you need help pm me or david.

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Re: Jean Grémillon

#140 Post by Knappen » Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:59 pm


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Re: Jean Grémillon

#141 Post by Knappen » Sun Apr 05, 2009 2:26 pm

Unexpected Grém paraphernalia has suddenly surfaced right here on the Internet. This has been brought to my attention by our old friend Kinsayder who is still very much alive and collecting movies.

Most of us think of Grémillon as the perfect example of a “cineaste maudit”: He burned out having spent most of his creative force on projects that were abandoned or butchered to such a degree that he had his name removed from the final product.

The worst period certainly seem to have been the years following WW2, although he had had a big hit with Le Ciel est à vous in 1944 and received much critical acclaim for the documentary Six juin à l’aube about the bombing of Normandy by the allies. This film, of which I have only seen a couple of scenes, marked a new direction in Grémillon’s career: He now wanted to make films about events that had marked history and he wasn’t going to hide his leftist sympathies when choosing his subjects.

The pet project from the start was a three-part film on the Commune of 1871, for which he did a considerable amount of work on research. When the Commune project was stopped during the work on the scenario, Grémillon and Charles Spaak started right away on a new three-part idea, called Le Massacre des Innocents. It was to be an historical fresco about Spain of 1936, Paris/Munich of 1938 and France of 1944-45. The duo didn’t get very far with this project either. Another film Grémillon wanted to make was to be about a group of Italian actors that arrive in Paris at the night of the St. Bartholomew's Day massacre, called Comedia dell’arte.

It seems that our man hadn’t really given up hope in getting these projects alive, but anyway they were all put aside when he was proposed a big budget project by the Ministry of National Education by the end of 1947. This was to be Le Printemps de la liberté, a grand film celebrating the century of the 1848 revolution. To make a long story short, Grémillon spent an enormous lot of work on preparations, got everything in place and presented his work to a group from the Ministry who was quite positive. Some days later he read in the newspaper that a certain project on the 1848 revolution was to be replaced by something celebrating the death of Chateaubriand the same year.

BUT: to save what could be saved Grémillon made a radio version of his screenplay featuring the actors that he had cast for his film. This version of Le Printemps de la liberté, which was originally broadcast in the summer of 1848, is now available for download here. The price is 6 €, which is a tad stiff considering the poor work INA has done transferring this mostly voice-only recording. But it is a very welcome offer for anyone interested in Grémillon, as he directed the version himself and also has the role of he narrator. The names of the people involved will be familiar to those of you who know his films from the 40s and 50s.

Reading a bit about the events in February and June 1848 will probably pay off for most people. It can also be added that Grémillon published the screenplay the same year and that reading this along with the audio version is very rewarding. I have made a pdf version of the book and am willing to send it to those of you that might be interested. The only condition is that you have prepared enough room and your email account (32 Mb) and some software that can unpack and recompose the 5-part archive file I have made. The text is mostly identical to the radio version with some changes to make things more explicit. It also has plenty of information that doesn’t get through on the audio.

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Re: Jean Grémillon

#142 Post by whaleallright » Wed May 26, 2010 9:14 pm

Does anyone happen to have a copy (in however cruddy condition) of Gardiens de phare? I'm working on a piece on the continuities and ruptures in Grémillon's filmmaking from the late-silent to the early-sound period, and this is the missing link.

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Re: Jean Grémillon

#143 Post by david hare » Wed May 26, 2010 9:19 pm

Jonah, this is holy grail territory.

There are only two prints in existence, one at the Bois d'Arcy Archives Francaises, and the other one in Vienna.

Richard Suchenski was advised the Fr. print is beginning to undergo vinegar rot, but both he and knappster have seen it and considered it perfectly viewable.

Please let the board know if you do ever track down a source. There is nothing out there in those back channels, alleys and passages!

EDIT: I neglected to mention - are you useing Genevieve Sellier's book as a resource? She has an excellent chapter on Gardiens - well, the whole book is very fine, I only have an argument with her use of colonialism/racism to focus the prism on Dainah. it's far more abstract and poetic than simply a tract.

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Re: Jean Grémillon

#144 Post by HerrSchreck » Wed May 26, 2010 10:02 pm

The clips I have of G. du phare in the L'Opera Intime doc look fabbo (and the telecine is decades-old analog)

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Of course we can instantly recognize Genica Athanasiou, Zita the gypsy from Maldone.

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Re: Jean Grémillon

#145 Post by whaleallright » Wed May 26, 2010 10:04 pm

Yes, I'm using the Sellier, the issue of 1895 devoted to Grémillon, and stray essays here and there. POSITIF seems to have a fondness for Grémillon and has published a few articles about him over the past two decades.

Surely there's a full telecine of GARDIENS DE PHARE somewhere out there. I take it the French print is a later (postwar?) positive made from some earlier print. To my understanding, it's acetate film that undergoes vinegar rot.

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Re: Jean Grémillon

#146 Post by david hare » Thu May 27, 2010 12:41 am

Probably, but I dont even know if it's not even 16mm. Knapp might know.

16mm is also susceptible to vinegar rot of course.

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Re: Jean Grémillon

#147 Post by ptmd » Thu May 27, 2010 1:26 am

Just to chime in here and avoid having slight misinformation spread, the French print isn't necessarily suffering from vinegar rot (it didn't have the usual smell), but it is slightly warped. It's a very old, 35mm safety print, and I don't know the status of nitrate sources. I viewed it on a Steenbeck and am not aware of any currently accessible telecine transfer (which isn't to say that it doesn't exist somewhere; Schreck's images suggests that it might).

In any case, the film is a masterpiece and I imagine a full restoration could be mounted if there was sufficient interest and, most importantly, money (a very tricky thing these days, especially for a director without the name recognition of Renoir or Carne or Duvivier). Jonah, if you want any more specific information on any of this, feel free to PM me.

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Re: Jean Grémillon

#148 Post by Zazou dans le Metro » Sun May 30, 2010 8:22 am

Jonah,
You don't mention having the Henri Agel monograph which David Hare has listed at the head of this thread. It doesn't go into great detail about Gardiens de Phare but it has a pretty good bibliography and examples of Grémillon's own writings. There happens to be one on e-bayfor a cheap price at present (It's not mine by the way)

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Re: Jean Grémillon

#149 Post by zedz » Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:59 pm

Just checked into this old thread and felt I had to register my dismay that, five years after this discussion was initiated, there are still no English-subbed releases of any of Jean Gremillon's films, as far as I know, even though a tidy handful of French transfers have been out for some time begging for adoption and he was long ago hinted at as being potential Eclipse fodder (with Remorques at least being a confirmed Criterion acquisition, n'est-ce pas?) The wait continues. . .

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Re: Jean Grémillon

#150 Post by tarpilot » Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:00 pm

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