Un Chien Andalou and L'Age d'or

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Un Chien Andalou and L'Age d'or

#1 Post by david hare » Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:33 pm

Un Chien Andalou and L'Age d'or

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Un Chien andalou and L'ge d'or, two landmark films in the history of cinema, are presented together in this special DVD box-set, complete with a 30-page booklet. This is the first time that L'ge d'or has ever been released on DVD, anywhere in the world.

Luis Buñuel's legendary first film, Un Chien andalou written with Salvador Dal, created a scandal at its premiere and its startling eye-slicing opening sequence has continued to shock viewers ever since. Despite Buñuel and Dalí''s energetic rejections of any rational meaning in the film, Un Chien andalou is an exploration of desire and the obstacles in the path of instinctual passion, equally indebted to Surrealism and Freud.

L'ge d'or is indisputably one of the great collaborations of cinema history, uniting the genius of Luis Buñuel and Salvador Dalí' in the making of a Surrealist masterpiece - a uniquely savage blend of visual poetry and social criticism. A sinister and strangely poignant chronicle of a couple's struggles to consummate their frenzied desire in the face of a stream of obstacles from bourgeois society and the Church, the film was banned and vilified for many years, becoming justly legendary for its subversive eroticism and its furious dissection of 'civilised' values.

The accompanying 30-page booklet includes notes on both films by Robert Short, author of The Age of Gold: Surrealist Cinema (Creation Books, 2003), biographies, selected bibliography, notes on the making of Un Chien andalou by Luis Buñuel and Manifesto of the Surrealists concerning L'ge d'or by The Surrealist Group.

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- Filmed introduction by art historian and author Robert Short
- Commentary for each film by Robert Short
- A Propsito de Buñuel (2000, 98 mins) - a documentary on Buñuel

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#2 Post by Tribe » Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:57 pm

davidhare wrote:Anyone else got these yet? I am quite disappointed with the transfer of l'Age d'or. There is substantial cropping of the titles (although this may be their print) but worse the rest of the movie seems heavily cropped at the top, cutting off things like Bishops' heads and scepters, etc. I can live with the print quality but I am getting a bit weary of increasingly common framing issues with BFI releases (Melville's "Les Enfants Terribles" is another example, but not as severely cropped.)

Here's hoping the Kino is an improvement, although I find it hard to imagine they have found pristine elements!
I'd be utterly surprised if the Kino version were an improvement. Haven't seen the BFI, but you know Kino...

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#3 Post by bunuelian » Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:58 pm

Yes, and I agree, the cropping is awful. My (lowly student budget) setup exacerbates it to the point where watching L'Age d'Or is downright frustrating. On my computer the cropping is still very evident. I've not seen it in any other format, so I don't know whether this is the way it's supposed to be.

The commentary for L'Age d'Or just doesn't do much for me, either. It's recorded over an abridged version of the film, and it spends a lot of time addressing things which would more appropriately be addressed in the booklet.

What a great film, though! I'm betting that ending would still cause riots in some parts of America . . .

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#4 Post by david hare » Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:29 pm

The cropping is bad on both a projector system and a pure digital feed with no oversacn, it looks even worse on a straight CRT. Now that the forum is warming up again I would like to see a few of us unleash various frustratrions with perhaps more world shattering things by starting a new bitchup about the shitty cropping issues with Criterion (always ALWAYS) the LH side and BFI -Now regularly the top and bottom. BTW do you have the BFI Partie de Campagne? It too is cropped on all sides after starting out OK - note the end credits.
(And yes I LOVE the movie - and I will hold my breath for the first review of the Kino - maybe they got their print personally from the Vicomte de Noialles?)

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#5 Post by Tommy Sleeb » Thu Nov 04, 2004 12:09 pm

I got this in an email from Darla records, an independent label and distributor based out of Sacramento. This is the first I've heard about this. Who or what is Transflux films?
A Film By Luis Bunuel And Salvador Dali UN CHIEN ANDALOU dvd 17.99 Transflux Films

"anyone halfway interested in th ecinema sees it sooner or later, usually several times." --Roger Ebert.

Made in 1929 Un Chien Andalou (the Andalusian Dog) is regarded as the first film produced purely from within the Surrealist Movement, and a landmark in the history of cinema.

Based on an exchange of dreams between Salvador Dali and acclaimed director Luis Bunuel, this tale of of unfulfilled desire opens innocently with the words "Once upon a time." What follows is one of the most shoking and celebrated sequnces in film history - a razor slashing a woman's in extreme close up...

Intended to provoke rather than to please (Bunuel saw it as 'nothing more than a desperate, a passoinate appeal to murder'), Un chien Andalou is a triumph of art and a hysterical dark joy ride whose power to affront the viewer is undiminished after more than 75 years.

Special features in include: An exclusive interview/documentary featuring Brunuel's son, Juan-Luis. An epilogue interview with Dali and Bunuel. More!!

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#6 Post by ben d banana » Thu Nov 04, 2004 4:59 pm

well, it's not a boot, but apparently it's cheaper to buy from darla than from the company on ebay. for what it's worth, the feedback looks like it's been well received...

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#8 Post by bunuelian » Fri Nov 05, 2004 1:16 am

I just re-watched the BFI Un Chien Andalou on my computer to check for cropping issues. Not as bad as L'Age d'Or, but the final intertitle is grossly cropped on the left.

As another point of comparison, I have the (kinda lame) little reprint poster you always see on eBay from '68 for Un Chien Andalou. Comparing the images in the BFI dvd with this poster makes me think that in general their dvd is pretty badly cropped. It's just not as irritating.

Big disappointment. I really can't afford to double-dip on the Kino disc, which I doubt will be better, anyway.

Verdict: :evil:

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#9 Post by Napoleon » Mon Nov 15, 2004 10:53 am

Has the Beaver reviewed a different package?

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#10 Post by denti alligator » Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:38 pm

Yeah, I was excited about this release, but decided to avoid it based on the comments in this thread. But now Gary at the Beaver seems not to notice any of the problems mentioned here (cropping, etc). What's up here? Is it the worst the DVD of the year or the best?

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#11 Post by david hare » Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:58 pm

It's neither the worst nor the best. For a start we are never likely to see a pristine print of Chien Andalou, and anyhow the cropping issues don't seem so apparent here. I know that Bunuel donated his own print of this title to MOMA and those who have seen it say it's fantastic (but we will never see that on DVD.
The real problem is with l"Age d'Or. But again I suspect (can't prove) the top cropping issue may be inherent in the BFI's print - by inference possibly in other prints as well - once again who has ever seen a prstine print of this? Trouble is I find BFI quite iffy on framing issues. Have a look at Les Enfants Terribles and Partie de Campagne - both have top, bottom and Left hand cropping problems.

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#12 Post by Person » Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:03 pm

Salvador Dali on "What's My Line?" in 1957. Unique and very amusing.

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#13 Post by godardslave » Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:57 pm

Person wrote:Salvador Dali on "What's My Line?" in 1957. Unique and very amusing.
Crazy! And i thought woody allen interviewing billy graham was surreal.

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#14 Post by Ovader » Fri Dec 05, 2008 3:58 pm

david hare wrote:...For a start we are never likely to see a pristine print of Chien Andalou, and anyhow the cropping issues don't seem so apparent here. I know that Bunuel donated his own print of this title to MOMA and those who have seen it say it's fantastic but we will never see that on DVD.
I decided to follow up your comment (four years later) by contacting MOMA about the Un Chien Andalou print and here is the response:
While the provenance of MoMA's material is unique due to some of the early materials coming from Bunuel, the Filmoteca Espanola in Madrid completed preservation on what is thought to be the definitive version a few years ago. There is nothing particularly remarkable about MoMA's material given the new work in Spain. Thus, MoMA would not be the best source for a definitive DVD release. You might want to contact the Filmoteca Espanola
I didn't ask about L'Age d'or but it is possible the Filmoteca Espanola also did a preservation of the film.

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#15 Post by sjostrom » Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:42 am

I saw a preview of the spanish restoration on 2001. It was amazing. They'd manage to find all the original negatives, and the image quality was very different from that blurred version we've become used to. The other change was speed: slowed down, in order to play it with the music Buñuel choose, it looses some of the irony and becomes more lyrical and intense.

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#16 Post by sjostrom » Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:47 am

At least the Spanish restoration of Un chien andalou is out on DVD form, accompanying a two books set on the 80 years of the film. It includes many articles in Spanish and a reproduction of one of the first scripts.

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#18 Post by antnield » Wed Dec 08, 2010 3:48 pm

This has already been mentioned by perkizitore in the general BFI thread, but it's probably worth resurrecting this dedicated thread also. Looks as though a re-release of sorts is imminent on 21st March 2011.

Pre-orders at:
Amazon
HMV
Play.com

No information other than release date listed at any of those sites though.

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#19 Post by manicsounds » Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:00 am

This has been on my wishlist forever. But what will this re-issue have?

I could only hope for a BD version, but I know that is unlikely.... right?

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#20 Post by Tommaso » Sun Dec 12, 2010 9:24 am

I have high hopes for this re-release; I guess they will correct the aspect ratio/cropping issues at the very least.

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#21 Post by MichaelB » Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:33 am

Tommaso wrote:I have high hopes for this re-release; I guess they will correct the aspect ratio/cropping issues at the very least.
Sorry to disappoint you, but it's a straightforward repressing of the OOP box set, only in conventional DVD packaging this time.

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#22 Post by swo17 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:21 pm

This is still the highest quality DVD set of these films available in the world though, right?

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#23 Post by vertovfan » Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:11 pm

Actually there's a French DVD from Editions Montparnasse which has a cleaner image and significantly less cropping:

http://www.devildead.com/indexfilm.php3?FilmID=1196
http://www.editionsmontparnasse.fr/prod ... uct_id=711

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#24 Post by swo17 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:55 pm

Is it English friendly? And is there a similar edition of L'age d'or?

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#25 Post by Zazou dans le Metro » Mon Dec 13, 2010 2:14 pm

swo17 wrote:Is it English friendly? And is there a similar edition of L'age d'or?
There is a special edition of L'age d'or from the Pompidou which has three subtitle choices and a facsimile edition programme available at retail outlets cheaper I think

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