Re: Un Chien Andalou and L'Age d'or
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:42 am
Does anyone else find it hilarious that Fact Magazine calls Un chien andalou a 1960 film?
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Re: Un Chien Andalou and L'Age d'or
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:47 am
Why can't BFI use the latest restoration of Filmoteca Española? They can't be asking that much for it, can they?
Re: Un Chien Andalou and L'Age d'or
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 11:20 am
They're obviously aware of it - especially given the recent decision to upgrade to 1080p following the initial announcement that it would be DVD-only - so there's obviously a reason.
But I'm completely outside this particular loop.
But I'm completely outside this particular loop.
Re: Un Chien Andalou and L'Age d'or
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:00 am
Seems (according to Amazon UK) that this has been put back a week.
Re: Un Chien Andalou and L'Age d'or
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:21 am
This isn't pertinent to the BFI release, but still an interesting tidbit. I went to a Pixies concert this Saturday and the show opened with "Un Chien..." playing before the band came out to open up the set with "Debaser", afterward continuing to perform the entire Doolittle album. That opening track is an homage to the film...
Re: Un Chien Andalou and L'Age d'or
Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 1:28 pm
Full specs announced:
L’Âge d’or
A film by Luis Buñuel and Salvador Dalí
One of cinema history’s greatest collaborations, L’Âge d’or united the genius of Luis Buñuel and Salvador Dalí. Now this controversial masterpiece is being released by the BFI in newly mastered High Definition for the very first time, in a Dual Format Edition (containing Blu-ray and DVD versions) with extensive extra features.
Even now, more than 80 years since it was made, this uniquely savage blend of visual poetry and social commentary remains as brilliantly witty and shocking as ever. A sinister yet poignant chronicle of a couple’s struggle to consummate their frenzied desire in the face of a stream of obstacles, in the form of bourgeois society and the Church, the film was banned and vilified for many years for its subversive eroticism and furious dissection of ‘civilised’ values.
Extras include a new HD transfer of the 1960 restoration of Un Chien Andalou, Buñuel and Dalí’s provocative debut which created a scandal at its premiere. Presented here with the restoration score, based on Buñuel’s notes, the BFI has also commissioned musicmakers Mordant Music (who re-scored an array of 70s and 80s public information films and documentary shorts produced by the Central Office of Information (COI) last year for the startling BFI DVD release MisinforMation) to create an alternative soundtrack option, which is premiered on this release.
In addition to Robert Short’s fascinating filmed introduction and audio commentaries for both L’Âge d’or and Un Chien Andalou, this comprehensive release is completed by A Propósito de Buñuel – a feature-length documentary on the life and work of Luis Buñuel, by José Luis López-Linares and Javier Rioyo.
Special features
• Presented in both High Definition and Standard Definition
• Selected scenes commentary for L’Âge d’or by author and filmmaker Robert Short
• Un Chien Andalou (1929, 16 mins): the 1960 restoration of Buñuel and Dalí’s debut
• Alternative score for Un Chien Andalou by Mordant Music
• Commentary for Un Chien Andalou by Robert Short
• A Propósito de Buñuel (2000, 99 mins, DVD only)
• Filmed introduction by Robert Short (25 mins, DVD only)
• 26-page illustrated booklet with essays, biographies and credits
Release date: 30 May 2011
RRP: £19.99 / cat. no. BFIB1059 / Cert 15 France, Spain / 1930 / black and white / French with optional English subtitles / 63 mins / original aspect ratio 1.19:1 Disc 1: BD25 /1080p / 24fps / PCM mono audio (48k/24-bit) Disc 2: DVD9 / PAL / Dolby Digital 320kbps mono audio
Re: Un Chien Andalou and L'Age d'or
Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 12:13 pm
Not bad at all. The Un Chien Andalou transfer is beyond my expectation, especially.
Re: Un Chien Andalou and L'Age d'or
Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 3:06 am
I had a quick spin through this last night, and L'Âge d'or looks absolutely magnificent - not just because of the image quality (which is way ahead of any version I've previously seen, including 35mm screenings off ropey prints), but because it's been framed at the correct 1.19:1 aspect ratio, which makes a far bigger difference than I'd have imagined. Obviously, the picture will never be pristine - the film's long history of suppression militates against that - but I can't imagine we'll see anything better for a long, long time.
I was a little concerned when I found out that Un Chien andalou had been transferred from a 16mm dupe negative of the 35mm restoration, but I needn't have worried - 16mm is broadly equivalent to 1080p anyway in terms of resolution, and it also looks far better than any previous video version (with similar caveats about unavoidable print damage). The original Buñuel-approved soundtrack also sounds much fuller than I'd ever heard it before.
(I should probably add the caveat that I may not appear to be entirely neutral here because my name's in the booklet - but that's because it contains a piece that was recycled from something I wrote for the original DVD edition at least five years ago. I had nothing to do with the creation of this new version).
I was a little concerned when I found out that Un Chien andalou had been transferred from a 16mm dupe negative of the 35mm restoration, but I needn't have worried - 16mm is broadly equivalent to 1080p anyway in terms of resolution, and it also looks far better than any previous video version (with similar caveats about unavoidable print damage). The original Buñuel-approved soundtrack also sounds much fuller than I'd ever heard it before.
(I should probably add the caveat that I may not appear to be entirely neutral here because my name's in the booklet - but that's because it contains a piece that was recycled from something I wrote for the original DVD edition at least five years ago. I had nothing to do with the creation of this new version).
Re: Un Chien Andalou and L'Age d'or
Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 10:57 am
Just curious Michael, have you seen the Filmoteca Española restoration?MichaelB wrote:I was a little concerned when I found out that Un Chien andalou had been transferred from a 16mm dupe negative of the 35mm restoration, but I needn't have worried - 16mm is broadly equivalent to 1080p anyway in terms of resolution, and it also looks far better than any previous video version (with similar caveats about unavoidable print damage).
Also, what is the cropping like on frames like this one:
Re: Un Chien Andalou and L'Age d'or
Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 9:11 am
Re: Un Chien Andalou and L'Age d'or
Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 2:51 pm
I guess DVD Beaver doesn't allow you to hotlink images. I was referring to the intertitle sample shown in the review here (not quite halfway down the page) where it says "au printemps...." or rather just "u printemps...." because the 'a' is chopped off. I believe that in the Filmoteca Española restoration, this cropping isn't present.
Re: Un Chien Andalou and L'Age d'or
Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 3:56 pm
swo17, there's more information on the left of the frame; not quite enough to make out the full "a" in "au printemps" a little under 50%.
Needless to say, the presentation - especially in 1080p - is much, much superior to the old BFI DVD edition which was likely to be the source for this release's Un Chien Andalou for sometime. As I say in the Digital Fix review linked to above the BFI were unable to use the Spanish resto, but as it is this 16mm negative from Contemporary Films is more than acceptable and does look really rather good in HD.
Additionally you can entire frame and slight black edging which should confirm that no additional cropping has occured in this case. Or at least no cropping from the materials used.
Needless to say, the presentation - especially in 1080p - is much, much superior to the old BFI DVD edition which was likely to be the source for this release's Un Chien Andalou for sometime. As I say in the Digital Fix review linked to above the BFI were unable to use the Spanish resto, but as it is this 16mm negative from Contemporary Films is more than acceptable and does look really rather good in HD.
Additionally you can entire frame and slight black edging which should confirm that no additional cropping has occured in this case. Or at least no cropping from the materials used.
Re: Un Chien Andalou and L'Age d'or
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 10:14 am
OK, here you go - still cropped at the side, but less cropped than before:
I also took the opportunity to do a whole set of matching framegrabs from the DVD, which unambiguously supports antnield's contention that the BFI's new transfer is a marked improvement on the old one - and, unsurprisingly, completely eclipses the horribly contrasty Facets version. Obviously, the 1080p version is better still - not quite as dramatically as you'd hope from the resolution upgrade, but you can certainly see more detail.
I've also done similar grabs from the new DVD of L'Âge d'or - though in this case, the 1080p version is very noticeably superior.
I also took the opportunity to do a whole set of matching framegrabs from the DVD, which unambiguously supports antnield's contention that the BFI's new transfer is a marked improvement on the old one - and, unsurprisingly, completely eclipses the horribly contrasty Facets version. Obviously, the 1080p version is better still - not quite as dramatically as you'd hope from the resolution upgrade, but you can certainly see more detail.
I've also done similar grabs from the new DVD of L'Âge d'or - though in this case, the 1080p version is very noticeably superior.
Re: Un Chien Andalou and L'Age d'or
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 11:16 am
I've posted comparison caps from the Filmoteca Española edition here. Some of the caps might not be quite the same frame (and for something like the cow on the piano, that scene is in motion with the piano being pulled away from the camera, so bear that in mind) but you should still get a pretty good idea of the differences. I don't mean to demean BFI by posting these comparisons--it sounds like they at least tried to get the Filmoteca Española transfer but couldn't get it, and I'll of course be picking up L'age d'or as soon as it comes out. But fans of Un chien andalou may still want to spring for the other edition as well.
Re: Un Chien Andalou and L'Age d'or
Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 11:39 am
Thanks for that - I'll keep an eye out for it. But as far as I'm concerned, the BFI did the best they could with the materials that were available to them - and in any case, the main item of interest is L'Âge d'or, which looks phenomenal.
I really wish I could do Blu-ray captures, because my DVD grabs don't do it justice - though at least you can now appreciate the difference between the correct 1.19:1 aspect ratio and the previous cropped 1.33:1 one.
I really wish I could do Blu-ray captures, because my DVD grabs don't do it justice - though at least you can now appreciate the difference between the correct 1.19:1 aspect ratio and the previous cropped 1.33:1 one.
Re: Un Chien Andalou and L'Age d'or
Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 9:26 pm
I just received notification from Amazon that this release has been delayed again, estimated arrival now between 6/21 and 6/27.
Re: Un Chien Andalou and L'Age d'or
Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:39 am
That's odd - I've had a shrinkwrapped edition since last week, so they definitely already exist.
Re: Un Chien Andalou and L'Age d'or
Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:56 am
And mine was sent by Moviemail last week
Re: Un Chien Andalou and L'Age d'or
Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:00 am
I also received a notification of delay - but in my case from between the 27th of June to the 5th of July.
Re: Un Chien Andalou and L'Age d'or
Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:17 am
Ditto. Delayed until sometime between June 13 and June 25 in my my case.
Re: Un Chien Andalou and L'Age d'or
Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:23 am
My order was dispatched from TheHut on Monday. 
Re: Un Chien Andalou and L'Age d'or
Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:50 am
June 13th to June 20th for me. Amazon claim they are "awaiting stock from their supplier". It's a bit annoyng as I pre-ordered it back on May 9th, but I still have my two new Ozu Blus to watch in the meantime...
Re: Un Chien Andalou and L'Age d'or
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:36 am
Well the same evening as I got the notification I previously posted about I had another to say it had been shipped - and now it's just turned up in the post! Hope all the other posters here who were waiting on Amazon have been as fortunate!
Re: Un Chien Andalou and L'Age d'or
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:53 pm
Mine's been shipped (Amazon UK) should be here later today, hopefully...oh wait, it'll be coming from Jersey, so it'll take a few days.