Once Upon a Time... in Hollywood (Quentin Tarantino, 2019)

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#377 Post by Finch » Wed May 22, 2019 1:08 pm

Sony should totally put out a poster in the Four Lions style that says nothing but "baggy! (four/five stars)" for the blurbs.

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#378 Post by Cremildo » Wed May 22, 2019 1:15 pm

It must be a new trend. I had never seen critics use that word to describe movies.

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#379 Post by Roscoe » Wed May 22, 2019 1:48 pm

Tarantino as "baggy" -- yeah. "Cerebral" -- uhm.....


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#381 Post by mfunk9786 » Wed May 22, 2019 8:11 pm

Tarantino's catching heat on Twitter now because Margot Robbie is third billed in this film and there are tons of people with the nerve to say or agree with the idea that he doesn't write good parts for women, which... wow. Absolutely bonkers.

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#382 Post by Finch » Wed May 22, 2019 8:14 pm

Variety and other publications are releasing clickbait articles about QT "snapping" at a journalist. I watched the video and I thought while it was obvious he didn't like the question, he wasn't particularly aggressive. Mind, as questions go at Cannes press conferences, it's not the dumbest I've heard.

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#383 Post by Big Ben » Wed May 22, 2019 8:45 pm

mfunk9786 wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 8:11 pm
Tarantino's catching heat on Twitter now because Margot Robbie is third billed in this film and there are tons of people who actually with the nerve to say or agree with the idea that he doesn't write good parts for women, which... wow. Absolutely bonkers.
It's especially egregious when you consider a third of the films he's made have been focused on women. Wow indeed.

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#384 Post by ford » Wed May 22, 2019 8:48 pm

Finch wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 8:14 pm
Variety and other publications are releasing clickbait articles about QT "snapping" at a journalist. I watched the video and I thought while it was obvious he didn't like the question, he wasn't particularly aggressive. Mind, as questions go at Cannes press conferences, it's not the dumbest I've heard.
It’s so dumb. The moral panic continues.

As for the charge he doesn’t write meaty enough roles for women: Right off the success of Pulp Fiction, Tarantino says his next movie will star a middle aged black woman who hadn’t been any kind of box office draw in 20 years (and even then only in films with almost entirely black audiences). Despite the fact that the character in the book was white.

And then there’s the four hour two part epic Kill Bill...

But of course none of this matters to the Woke Stasi.

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#385 Post by furbicide » Wed May 22, 2019 9:05 pm

KJones77 wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 12:58 pm
Big Ben wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 1:31 pm
mfunk talks about Film Twitter being awful and he's right. It's an absolute dumpster fire of opinion that simultaneously demands that you respect people and then dunks on you for not sharing a certain opinion. It ranges from downright bad takes sometimes to outwardly malicious on occasion. Hell, when Spielberg had his little thing with Netflix some time ago people were outright saying he was a hack fraud and not any good now. I mean what?
This tweet being a perfect example. Apparently film critics seeing and tweeting their opinions about Tarantino's new film is...not ok? They have to be shamed for having the gall to do so instead of criticizing him for the Uma Thurman stuff again.

What he did with her was obviously wrong, but she forgave him and they moved on. That's good enough for me, but I guess you're now just an enabling POS if you dare to respect that and share an opinion on his film.
Whenever I see posts like that on Twitter (and let's face it, this is the dominant tone on Twitter), I just feel like I'm trapped at a dinner party with a couple who hate each other and can now only communicate through sarcasm. It's awful and draining, it's not cathartic and it's not making anyone laugh, so why don't they just say the thing they want to say instead of adopting this weird passive-aggressive tone all the time? I'm sure Harrison (judging by her Twitter bio) is no dunce and could articulate perfectly well her critique of Tarantino's works and the ethics of engaging with them, so it's really the platform that's at fault here: small character limits seem to turn everyone into arseholes.

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#386 Post by furbicide » Wed May 22, 2019 9:13 pm

Finch wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 8:14 pm
Variety and other publications are releasing clickbait articles about QT "snapping" at a journalist. I watched the video and I thought while it was obvious he didn't like the question, he wasn't particularly aggressive. Mind, as questions go at Cannes press conferences, it's not the dumbest I've heard.
If you think that's bad, check this out:

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/m ... story.html
There were plenty of hard questions Quentin Tarantino could have faced as he greeted reporters for the first time following the Cannes premiere of “Once Upon a Time … in Hollywood.”

Did he change his approach to on-set safety after Uma Thurman alleged in February 2018 that the director pushed her to perform a “Kill Bill” stunt that left her permanently injured? Why did he cast Emile Hirsch, who pleaded guilty to assaulting a female executive in 2015, in his new film? Does he have any response to Rose McGowan’s claims, published in her 2018 memoir, that he repeatedly and publicly spoke about masturbating to her feet in the movie “Jawbreaker”?

In his latest film, why does Leonardo DiCaprio’s character idolize Roman Polanski, whose 1977 rape charge Tarantino once defended by deeming it “statutory rape,” saying the teenage victim willingly participated.
That last one is just jaw-dropping.

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By the way Marge, I was being sarcastic

#387 Post by domino harvey » Wed May 22, 2019 9:15 pm

No agenda there at all

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#388 Post by DarkImbecile » Wed May 22, 2019 9:21 pm

The framing of this is even worse on the link to that article on Twitter:
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“He snapped at someone at a press conference... but the movie was still well-received?! Where DO we draw the line?”

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#389 Post by ford » Wed May 22, 2019 9:25 pm

If the character was truly woke, he’d have sensed that Polanski was gonna rape a girl a decade later.

So, so, so much of this is about the media feeling powerless after Trump’s election and desperately wanting to prove their power by collecting as many scalps within the one sphere they actually have power over: other people in media!

Frankly I’m surprised the mob hasn’t come for the major Hollywood actors who worked with Polanski post 1977. Eventually some freelance twitter journalist will confront Harrison Ford with this at a press conference.

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#390 Post by Big Ben » Wed May 22, 2019 9:34 pm

The most frustrating thing here for me is that empowering victims should entail allowing them to make their own decisions regarding things like forgiveness. Why is the open and public forgiveness of Tarantino by Thurman and Geimar not being mentioned? When and where do women's voices stop being heard to these individuals?

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#391 Post by furbicide » Thu May 23, 2019 12:07 am

That LA Times headline is instructive into the reasoning here: clearly, there is a "line" of acceptability that has been drawn between those sentenced to eternal damnation (e.g. Woody Allen), those who are "good" (e.g. the morally unimpeachable 'we' of the title, along with, I dunno, Judd Apatow?) and those who are on notice (e.g. Quentin Tarantino). It's all so frightfully tedious and moralistic.

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#392 Post by tenia » Thu May 23, 2019 4:14 am

domino harvey wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 9:15 pm
No agenda there at all
One might disagree with what Tarantino have done or said in the past, and I can understand people taking its new movie as such and not for how it follows 8 previous movies, but still, this is an appallingly written article. But I guess that's what happens when the writer has already made up its mind anyway.

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#393 Post by ford » Thu May 23, 2019 7:40 am

furbicide wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 12:07 am
That LA Times headline is instructive into the reasoning here: clearly, there is a "line" of acceptability that has been drawn between those sentenced to eternal damnation (e.g. Woody Allen), those who are "good" (e.g. the morally unimpeachable 'we' of the title, along with, I dunno, Judd Apatow?) and those who are on notice (e.g. Quentin Tarantino). It's all so frightfully tedious and moralistic.
So we’re throwing two of cinema’s greatest filmmakers into the fire (one of whom is almost certainly guilty of nothing), in both cases literally putting a moral blockade around their work, but we get to keep the cinema of Judd Apatow?

What a trade.

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#394 Post by tenia » Thu May 23, 2019 8:16 am

I don't believe the quality of their respective works should be put anywhere in balance here. Doing good movies isn't a Stay out of jail card.
That shouldn't prevent journalists to write intellectually honest pieces, though, which is here IMO the issue with the LA Times article.

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#395 Post by ford » Thu May 23, 2019 8:43 am

tenia wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 8:16 am
I don't believe the quality of their respective works should be put anywhere in balance here. Doing good movies isn't a Stay out of jail card.
That shouldn't prevent journalists to write intellectually honest pieces, though, which is here IMO the issue with the LA Times article.
What about Allen’s case? Why doesn’t he get a “stay out of jail” card? He was never charged with a crime or indicted even after two state investigations. It’s all just a tawdry media smear job.

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#396 Post by tenia » Thu May 23, 2019 9:27 am

I tend to stay away from judging myself the Allen's case, which is clearly a much more complicated one than, say, the Weinstein or Moonves ones. Some people see it and discuss it as something much more clear-cut that I would find it to be, which is why I again won't weigh in here.

Still, that doesn't change my original comment.

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#397 Post by bearcuborg » Thu May 23, 2019 10:41 am

Geez, it seems like even saying Robbie has minimal screen time is a bit of a spoiler?

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#398 Post by dda1996a » Thu May 23, 2019 10:57 am

Just saw an article titled "longest standing ovation in Cannes history", only to find it is: QUENTIN TARANTINO’S NEW FILM GOT A 7-MINUTE APPLAUSE AT CANNES. THAT’S ACTUALLY NOT THAT GOOD. And then it lists different lengths of such occasions different films received.
Two questions: how did The Paperboy receive even a second of an ovation? And why would people give a film a 20 minute one?

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#400 Post by mfunk9786 » Thu May 23, 2019 11:13 am

bearcuborg wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 10:41 am
Geez, it seems like even saying Robbie has minimal screen time is a bit of a spoiler?
It's not even that she has minimal screen time, she just doesn't have much dialogue. Apparently she has a very impactful scene midway through the film that's essentially wordless

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