Gemini Man (Ang Lee, 2019)

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Gemini Man (Ang Lee, 2019)

#1 Post by cantinflas » Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:32 am


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Re: Trailers for Upcoming Films

#2 Post by dda1996a » Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:41 pm

Oh look it's that John Woo knockoff from the 90s we didn't want, but need.
Ang Lee, what has become of you...

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#3 Post by Never Cursed » Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:00 pm

The de-aging for Smith looks great, which raises the question of why everything else looks awfully diffused. Does anyone else see that, or are my eyes just not working like they used to?

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Re: Trailers for Upcoming Films

#4 Post by The Narrator Returns » Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:26 pm

I dunno if it's diffused so much as video-like, which is a side effect of the fact that it's being shot at 120 fps.

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#5 Post by dda1996a » Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:29 pm

Bad VFX+ shooting at 120 FPS. And no you're not the only one. I mean I just went through his snore fest that is Ride With the Devil, and it's been a few years since I liked one of his films, so this isn't even getting my Goodwill.

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#6 Post by black&huge » Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:06 pm

dda1996a wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:29 pm
his snore fest that is Ride With the Devil
I had 100% completely forgotten this is in criterion's library. Until now. 😐

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Re: Gemini Man (Ang Lee, 2019)

#7 Post by DarkImbecile » Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:14 pm

Full trailer

I was hoping to see something that would make this look like something more than a late ‘90s Woo/Bruckheimer collaboration, but... nope!

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Re: Gemini Man (Ang Lee, 2019)

#8 Post by Monterey Jack » Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:02 pm

Three words:

Mary

Elizabeth

Winstead.

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Re: Gemini Man (Ang Lee, 2019)

#9 Post by mfunk9786 » Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:37 pm

I've always said we should get more incel users.

Anyway, this movie looks kind of amazing to me? Am I alone? The effects are mind-boggling (I haven't seen the de-aging thing in motion before, to be fair to that opinion), and I cannot wait to see it play out over an entire feature length film with this kind of concept, particularly in the hands of such a master.

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#10 Post by cdnchris » Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:45 pm

The de-aging thing is pretty incredible. The Marvel movies have been using it effectively: Kurt Russell, Michael Douglas (though his voice gives his age away) and Sam Jackson, it looked pretty flawless (and was kind of scary).

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Re: Gemini Man (Ang Lee, 2019)

#11 Post by domino harvey » Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:46 pm

mfunk9786 wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:37 pm
I've always said we should get more incel users.

Anyway, this movie looks kind of amazing to me? Am I alone? The effects are mind-boggling (I haven't seen the de-aging thing in motion before, to be fair to that opinion), and I cannot wait to see it play out over an entire feature length film with this kind of concept, particularly in the hands of such a master.
Did you have this response draft saved for the Irishman

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Re: Gemini Man (Ang Lee, 2019)

#12 Post by mfunk9786 » Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:46 pm

I won't believe that one until I see it

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Re: Gemini Man (Ang Lee, 2019)

#13 Post by cantinflas » Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:55 pm

Smith says it's not de-aging
“They’re using my performance to create the CGI elements,” Smith said. “What is so spectacular — and the special effects team has absolutely outdone themselves — is it’s not de-aging; the younger character is not me. That is a 100% digital character. They didn’t take my image and just stretch some of the lines. It is a completely CGI character in the same way that the lions in ‘The Lion King’ are CGI characters.

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Re: Gemini Man (Ang Lee, 2019)

#14 Post by mfunk9786 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:36 am

I thought the trailers were impressive and promising, but critics are not being kind to this

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Re: Gemini Man (Ang Lee, 2019)

#15 Post by dda1996a » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:00 pm

mfunk9786 wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:36 am
I thought the trailers were impressive and promising, but critics are not being kind to this
The day we'll both agree on something seems so distant...
Honestly the trailer to this looked so ugly and stoopid that I'm not surprised in the least it isn't getting good reviews.
Kind of wish Lee would stop playing with frame rates and 3D and just go back to making simple stories about actual characters. Something like Brokeback or his early Taiwanese films

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Re: Gemini Man (Ang Lee, 2019)

#16 Post by Brian C » Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:50 pm

For me the biggest letdown with the trailer is that I wanted more shots of a guy trying to kill another guy by jumping off a motorcycle in order to send the motorcycle hurtling towards his target. As it is, it only happens, what, two or three times?

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Re: Gemini Man (Ang Lee, 2019)

#17 Post by willoneill » Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:19 pm

This was a terrible film. The dialogue and the acting are so bad I’m genuinely surprised how this film could come from the same director of The Ice Storm and Brokeback Mountain. As well, young Will Smith didn’t work for me; in theory, he should look like early Fresh Prince era Smith, but it doesn’t quite pull it of. The story isn’t bad, and had some promise, but is brought down mostly by the dialogue. It’s honestly VOD-level dialogue.

However, this is the first HFR 3D film where I finally liked the look of it. It really works, aesthetically, and I hope someday I see a good film this way (0 for 5 so far).

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Re: Gemini Man (Ang Lee, 2019)

#18 Post by Brian C » Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:05 pm

I wouldn't go so far as to call it "terrible", but it certainly lacks a compelling raison d'être. It's basically a generic Bourne script - a government assassin is pursued by another assassin who's just as good! - but with a twist, but not really a very novel twist, and executed in a way that doesn't exactly communicate any sense of urgency or even conviction. The big action sequence in Cartagena is nicely done, but none of the other big setpieces stand out. It's hard for me not to compare it to Rian Johnson's Looper, which covered very similar thematic ground but with a lot more narrative imagination and emotional depth.

The VFX work just isn't really very convincing to me. I think it has to do with the way an actual person's facial muscles move that I don't really think the movie captures in young Smith. There's a lot of close-ups of young Smith, and his eyes move a lot, but the rest of his face doesn't move quite as much so it has somewhat of an Eyes-Without-a-Face effect. It's subtle, but it's enough to be a constant reminder that it's a special effect.

It doesn't really matter much, though, because even if it was spotless, it wouldn't add anything. I mean, Bruce Willis and Joseph Gordon-Levitt don't look anything alike, and JGL's makeup was terrible in that movie, but the movie still worked. At the end of the day, Smith's performance is awfully indifferent, and he doesn't have much to work with anyway, and the story is only going through the motions in the first place, so what do the special effects really matter?

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