Inside Deep Throat (Bailey/Barbato, 2005)

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Lino · #1 Post by **Lino** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 1:54 pm

WTF?

http://www.insidedeepthroatmovie.com/trailer.html

America the Beautiful rears its ugly, smutty head...Blow me down, as Popeye would say, if you pardon the pun...

Michael · #2 Post by **Michael** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 2:28 pm

Wow that looks great. Definitely on my must-see list!

When I was a kid back in the 70s, my mom had a book about Linda Lovelace on her night table and I remember paying many visits to that book. Wonder if she still has it.

Lino · #3 Post by **Lino** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 2:37 pm

I am not offended or insulted. I am just bewildered! And also a bit amused at the fact that you (americans) have such a... keen interest in... squeezing the last drop of milk from even the...oh, you get the point!

Please do not take this as an attack on your patriotism - I guess I just had a strange and funny reaction at the prospect of seeing this documentary being made at all!

(yes, I do have a strange sense of humour)

Steven H · #4 Post by **Steven H** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 2:58 pm

There should be only documentaries about people no one has heard about then instead? It seems something as infamous as Deep Throat is long overdue to be sensationalized (I mean, if Robert McNamara why not Linda Loveless?)

I'm not sure if anyone here would take it as an attack on their patriotism.

rumz · #5 Post by **rumz** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 3:30 pm

somewhat o/t, but here is "Deep Throat" in animated ASCII text. Admit it, that's pretty cool.

Nihonophile · #6 Post by **Nihonophile** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 3:54 pm

the marketing reminds me of baadassss

Michael · #7 Post by **Michael** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 5:39 pm

Who is that guy sitting with one of his legs over the arm chair? That's so funny.. my favorite part of the trailer.

Nihonophile · #8 Post by **Nihonophile** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:47 pm

Michael wrote:Who is that guy sitting with one of his legs over the arm chair? That's so funny.. my favorite part of the trailer.

the one comparing himself with luke godard? I think he was the director

Andre Jurieu · #9 Post by **Andre Jurieu** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 8:56 pm

I'm even more confused now. Bewildered? Huh? Attack on our patriotism? Ja? I'm still not understanding what the objections to this film are.

Simon · #10 Post by **Simon** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 9:29 pm

Seems like a good time capsule as well as some food for thoughts on freedom of speech and puritanism in the US. I fail to see the WTF as well.
Midget Curly Juicy Feet Shemale Fucking Redhead Party Beaver Big-Cock Housewife Leather Fireman Hardcore Skinny Backseat Sex Missionary Ass-to-Mouth Ethnic Upskirt Stripper Group-Sex Wet Drunk Ass-Fucking Desk Tits British Speculum Knockers Amateur Smoking Throat-Fucked Ball-Licking Oriental Sister Big-Black-Cock Pool BDSM

Lemdog · #11 Post by **Lemdog** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 10:26 pm

I praying for everyone's souls as I type this ...

I'm still not understanding what the objections to this film are.

Are there objections? As for our patriotism, is someone attacking our patriotism? I really don't understand what is going on in this thread, but stop it! You are confusing me.

ben d banana · #12 Post by **ben d banana** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 11:30 pm

yes!

and i've already had to reference linda lovelace's autobiography ordeal once recently since going for the sammy & anton avatar. it's an entertaining read, wonder if it will reprinted like confessions of a dangerous mind.

and for those interested in the audio.

THX1378 · #13 Post by **THX1378** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 5:43 am

I am looking forward to seeing this film for some reason. I think it has to do with the fact that it's supost to deal more with the times in which the film was made and what was going on in the early 70's. I had heard that John Waters is interviewed for the film so for that alone I'll see it.

Theodore R. Stockton · #14 Post by **Theodore R. Stockton** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 4:14 pm

Waters was in the trailer (link on first post).
Is this film really relevant? Yes, there's been a wave of successful porn documentaries over the past few years but they had more accessible subjects. The "Deep Throat will never die" guy just confuses me because no one talks about the film (except for the "should criterion release a porn" thread that has yet to plague this incarnation). I don't know anyone who has seen it, but I do know people who want to just because on the Nixon connection and can't even find it.

THX1378 · #15 Post by **THX1378** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:07 pm

One time a couple of years back I rented Deep Throat to see what all the fuss was about. I think for it's time I could see it being a big deal. It pretty much was the first adult film that had a story to it. It came right at the time of sexual liberation and all that stuff. But looking at it today you can't help but laugh. Like I said before I think this doc is subpost to deal more with what was going on at the time that Deep Throat came out, the protests and panic that the film caused by playing at first run movie houses, and the whole Nixon connection. It should at least be an interesting look into the early 70's.

dvdane · #16 Post by **dvdane** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 11:26 pm

It wasn't the film porn to have a story, porn have had stories for years then, and personally I think that Chin's and Holmes' Johnny Wadd films were the ones to introduced "story", but it was the film that began porn chic. While it was illegal to produce and make porn, it was not illegal to show porn and it began an openness about sexuality and legitimised going to the theatre and watch porn. Where porn today almost is smut again, there was a time in the 70s, where it was openly accepted as fun adult entertainment and people would openly talk about watching porn.

colinr0380 · #17 Post by **colinr0380** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 6:24 am

I think it's fun to find a subtext to pornographic films! For example take a standard porn cliche, the plumber who comes to the house to fix the pipes. He represents the force of class uprising while the wife is the repressive regime controlling the mass of people (represented by the water). It is the plumbers job to open the water pipe and soak the wife, freeing the mass to take control of the system of repression. Of course then the plumber and wife have to make love, the sex act creating a new unity between the workers and the powers that be. Its just like Metropolis but with more sex!

(come to think of it, did a similar consumerist take on that type of situation happen to Ann-Margaret in Tommy?)

Or have I read too much into them!

But seriously, I do think sex films can sometimes be more than just titilation - it does seem that Deep Throat and The Devil In Miss Jones, or something like Debbie Does Dallas captured something about the times - or did they just have brilliant marketing campaigns, allowing word to get around that they were great 'home study' material?(!) But you also get Cronenberg's Crash, using sex as narrative in a similar way to porn films. It is also interesting the way the arthouse and explicit imagery are coming together in a lot of recent French films (even Oshima's Ai No Corrida was filmed in France! EDIT: sorry got too excited - it was a French co-production). Does this have anything to do with a company like Canal+ taking a more liberal view on explicit material? I heard something about directors making explicit commercials about using condoms that were screened a number of years ago. Perhaps with that, directors felt more able to use explicit images? But it would be great if someone who knew more could give a better account of it!

I remember the fuss over Channel 4 screening the documentary Brazil: Sex, Cinema and the Generals in which Brazillian filmmakers smuggled in political messages in soft-core sex films to escape censorship. Ironically, the documentary on the films was itself pulled and only shown (contrary to the information in the linked to URL, which states it was never shown) in Channel 4's Banned season a number of years later (1991 I think). Not sure if it still had to be edited though!

Also, has anyone seen The Good Old Naughty Days with the silent hard-core films that used to play in French brothels? It is both kind of charming and disturbing to see people in silent films having full-on sex and also with the knowledge that most of the people are long gone or very, very old by now! I guess that will happen with the other films, they will become interesting historical documents of the way sex was treated - I just wish that the major film I can think of in the 90's that got a theatrical release to do with porn wasn't Sex: The Annabel Chong Story - it was incredibly sad - at least the people in The Good Old Naughty Days looked like they were having fun!

Lino · #18 Post by **Lino** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 9:14 am

even Oshima's Ai No Corrida was filmed in France!

Just a correction - to my knowledge, this film was not filmed in France. It was however produced by Anatole Dauman, a french producer and premiered in France.

And I do not want to start a sub-discussion here, but that film is not pornographic. It has graphic images but is far from the porn genre.

colinr0380 · #19 Post by **colinr0380** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 9:58 am

Sorry, I got carried away there! - The Ai No Corrida situation was as you say, but it still had enough French involvement that it became a kind of co-production. I think it might have been considered pornographic by the Japanese authorities though - it was certainly beyond the boundaries of explicitness for a Japanese film at the time. And I don't think optical censoring or fogging fell out of use until the mid-90's when pubic hair was allowed to be shown in Japan with the release of films like La Belle Noiseuse.

filmfan · #20 Post by **filmfan** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 12:03 pm

The only thing I remember about Linda Lovelace's "I Am A Victim of Porn" book was her very graphic characterizations of Sammy Davis Jr.'s unbounded Lust for sex, in it's various forms of expression. A little more than distasteful but it was what it was.

Martha · #21 Post by **Martha** » Mon Feb 07, 2005 11:38 am

New York Magazine digs it. Not only do they review it in this issue, but they've got a profile of the star as well.

HerrSchreck · #22 Post by **HerrSchreck** » Sun May 14, 2006 2:52 am

Just saw this. Superejnoyable, fucking good fun, tragic, hilarious.

Well-done & fascinating, totally absorbing. Seminal (haw haw haw) documentary.

HerrSchreck · #23 Post by **HerrSchreck** » Sun May 14, 2006 4:22 am

Ummm? Ummm?

Dave? Is that you?

I thought it was a fun documentary, sad in how mixed up Linda comes out looking, and it does duly (and entertainingly, for me at least) tell the tale of the creation, background, (pre & post film stories of) persons involved in, reception of, and controversies involving... DEEP THROAT.

PS: Hee-hee alert: You should never ever use the phrase 'mise-en-scene' in the same sentence as 'hardcore porn'.

Antoine Doinel · #24 Post by **Antoine Doinel** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 1:26 pm

Recently released FBI files show how far they went in trying to suppress the film.

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