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#6826 Post by gcgiles1dollarbin » Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:17 pm

Tom Petty

What a shitty, shitty day for multiple reasons.

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#6827 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:59 pm

His greatest feat to me is that he managed to be super relevant in the 70's, 80's and 90's in ways very, very few before and after managed to.

If you're a fan of the music I highly recommend reading both his biography by Warren Zanes, and the book Conversations With Tom Petty, co-written with Paul Zollo.

By some eerie coincidence I came across this video recently, and was wondering where I can share it here.

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#6828 Post by dx23 » Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:02 pm

gcgiles1dollarbin wrote:Tom Petty

What a shitty, shitty day for multiple reasons.
Seriously, what a shitty month. When I saw that he had a cardiac arrest my heart sank even more cause I knew he wasn't going to be with us much longer. Rest In Peace.


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#6829 Post by lacritfan » Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:15 pm

Peter Bogdanovich's Runnin' Down a Dream is one of the best rock documentaries ever. It's four hours long so I'm warning you to put that much time aside because even if you're just a minor Tom Petty fan once you start watching you will not want to pause.

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#6830 Post by lacritfan » Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:20 pm

flyonthewall2983 wrote:By some eerie coincidence I came across this video recently, and was wondering where I can share it here.
I remember Petty was on It's Garry Shandling's Show. There were maybe half a dozen people at Gary's house when a pregnant woman goes into labor. The baby is born and the camera became the POV of the baby and goes from person to person. Goo goo eyes, oh how cute, coochie coo and then it gets to Petty and he just has a look of ewww gross.

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#6831 Post by FrauBlucher » Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:25 pm

I liked hearing Petty talk about the early days and how promoters would promote his band as a punk band even though they weren't. That was their uniqueness in their early days. Didn't quite fit into any genre.

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#6832 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:28 pm

lacritfan wrote:
flyonthewall2983 wrote:By some eerie coincidence I came across this video recently, and was wondering where I can share it here.
I remember Petty was on It's Garry Shandling's Show. There were maybe half a dozen people at Gary's house when a pregnant woman goes into labor. The baby is born and the camera became the POV of the baby and goes from person to person. Goo goo eyes, oh how cute, coochie coo and then it gets to Petty and he just has a look of ewww gross.
He was later on Larry Sanders, where he almost gets into a fight backstage with Clint Black.

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#6833 Post by gcgiles1dollarbin » Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:45 pm

The CBS headline from my link above changed from certain death to unconfirmed; I guess CBS got their original death report from TMZ, but the LAPD now can't confirm it. Anyone know what's going on? Keeping my fingers crossed...

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#6834 Post by swo17 » Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:49 pm

The article continues to say he had another cardiac arrest and is currently "clinging to life."

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#6835 Post by hearthesilence » Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:08 pm

As good as meat and potatoes rock can get - there certainly aren't many bands who were as consistent and reliable as singles artists over the same time frame (1977 - 1994). I didn't know who they were until maybe a dozen years into their career, and I think it was a bit longer before I realized how old they really were - they still seemed like a "new" band even though their music was fairly traditional (they were never great innovators, but simply great tunesmiths which is still no small feat).
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#6836 Post by John Shade » Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:13 pm

Not sure I'd cut off their productivity date at '94. The She's the One soundtrack came out slightly after that--my favorite Petty song of all time, "Walls", comes from that. Something so simple about that song and I've listened to it so many times...Some days are diamonds, some days are rocks. Petty could carry lines like that. RIP

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#6837 Post by hearthesilence » Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:18 pm

"Walls" is okay but the soundtrack album was pretty bare of ideas and Petty even said this later on - he just didn't realize what soundtrack work would entail.

EDIT: Here's a summation of several interviews from another site:

Petty's clearly one of those guys who's just as hard on himself as he is on others, telling Rolling Stone he was no fan of his 1999 album 'Echo.' "I had just gotten divorced. My family was in complete upheaval. [Former bassist] Howie [Epstein] had really bad problems. But there was a record due." He also cites 1982's 'Long After Dark' -- which, we remind you, features the amazing 'You Got Lucky' -- as "another one that felt like treading water." But he saves his harshest words for his 1996 soundtrack to the movie 'She's the One.' "I hated that record -- the whole idea of it offended me," he told Men's Journal. "I only did it because I didn't have anything else to do. I liked [director] Ed [Burns], and thought he was pretty sharp, so I wrote him a couple of songs. And then it kept mushrooming... I took some stuff I hadn't used on 'Wildflowers,' really crummy versions, badly mixed, and put them on there. It was terrible, really. I'm disappointed I did that."
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#6838 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:33 pm

And a lot of the songs were written during the Wallflowers period anyway. Echo, The Last DJ and his last solo album Highway Companion had some really solid songs as well. The last two Heartbreakers albums had some good, but not as memorable work too. I listened to the first Mudcrutch album once and liked it but not much since. The 2nd one had a rather haunting video, co-directed by Sean Penn and starring Anthony Hopkins.

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#6839 Post by hearthesilence » Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:54 pm

I'm not sure how involved Petty was in creating/conceiving his music videos, but he did make a few remarkable ones that I remember playing a lot on MTV: "Don't Come Around Here No More," "Mary Jane's Last Dance" and "You Don't Know How It Feels"

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#6840 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:38 pm

They were one of the first video bands, as they had a handful of songs that had professionally made clips before MTV ever launched. In America at least, I know artists like Queen and Rod Stewart did as well. He managed to tip that balance of making interesting videos, but never at the cost of the music. I'll have to read it again but I think in the Zanes book it's talked about that he would collaborate with directors as much as he was able to.

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#6846 Post by hearthesilence » Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:05 am

Anne Wiazemsky

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#6847 Post by djproject » Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:06 am

hearthesilence wrote:Anne Wiazemsky
The Guardian

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#6848 Post by thirtyframesasecond » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:01 pm

djproject wrote:
hearthesilence wrote:Anne Wiazemsky
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#6850 Post by GaryC » Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:23 am

Clytie Jessop, long-term London-resident Australian artist, art gallery owner, occasional actress (most notably as Miss Jessel in The Innocents) and director of the 1988 film Emma's War, made in her home country.

This one seems to have flown under the radar. This Facebook post announcing her death is from 19 April. The obituary above - the only one I've so far found - is from 26 May and is by Philippe Mora, who knew her. She arranged a benefit for the premiere of his debut feature Trouble in Molopolis, shot in London on short ends from the Performance shoot, cowritten by Jessop's husband Peter Smalley, and featuring several Australian expats in the cast. The acting roles seem to have come about by her friendship with Freddie Francis, who photographed The Innocents and directed her in Nightmare and Torture Garden.

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