Stan Lee (1922-2018)

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Stan Lee (1922-2018)

#1 Post by dwk » Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:50 pm


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#2 Post by domino harvey » Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:55 pm

Though it's not remotely my world, it's apparent from the discussion of others over the years that he was well regarded within the industry and beloved by many comic fans, so sorry to hear of his passing all the same

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#3 Post by Donald Brown » Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:10 pm

Actually, he's reviled by many for exploiting the people he worked with, taking credit for their creations and for their writing, and shafting them on royalties.

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#4 Post by knives » Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:15 pm

That may be, but maybe focusing on that before he's buried is a little shameless?

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#5 Post by Donald Brown » Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:22 pm

It's been known by those in the industry for decades, and openly discussed. Why speak better of the dead than they deserved to be treated when alive? Whitewashing a fraud's actual history is shameless.

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#6 Post by knives » Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:25 pm

I was going to respond, but you know life is short and if you don't know why your attitude is wrong my telling you the obvious isn't going to change that.

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Re: Passages

#7 Post by Donald Brown » Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:34 pm

If Donald Trump died, we'd only being saying nice things about him? What about George Zimmerman? Or Mark Zuckerberg? Or Sheldon Adelson? Would be be focusing only on the nice things about them before they were buried?

This 'not speaking ill of the dead' sentiment is nonsense.

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#8 Post by domino harvey » Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:35 pm

Stan Lee = Donald Trump is the insightful commentary I come to the forum for

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Re: Passages

#9 Post by Donald Brown » Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:39 pm

Not intended to be an equal comparison, and you know it. Mark Zuckerberg was cited as an example, which perhaps you'd find more apt.

Edit: On second thought, Trump is a more equal comparison than even I realized. They're both shady businessmen who built their fame and fortune by screwing over other people.

Please do explain why this should be glossed over.
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Re: Passages

#10 Post by bearcuborg » Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:42 pm

I certainly grew up in that world, and knew about his giving his colleagues the shaft...but I always loved his narration over Marvel cartoons and even though I’ve only seen a couple MCU movies, I dig the cameos.

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#11 Post by knives » Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:45 pm

In any case yes. I don't have anything nice to say about Trump, but I'd be wise enough to just not say anything in that case. Maybe you should try to practice some wisdom yourself.

Also I know I'm not a moderator, but Donald Brown I find it ridiculous that you seem to go into hiding only to pop up in order to say the most negative things. Do you expect no one to get offended by your statements? Were you never taught courtesy?

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#12 Post by black&huge » Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:49 pm

I recall when someone posted xxxtentacion's death in this thread not any positive word or thought of positivity was really implied. However Donald Brown was adding a bit of info to the legacy of Stan Lee and all of a sudden it's "respect the dead because they're dead". Which would make sense if literally everyone in the world and who will be in the world wasn't going to die. Lee can be praised for his accomplishments like any other celebrity but he or anyone is not above what is publicly known for their shady behavior.

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Re: Passages

#13 Post by bearcuborg » Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:49 pm

In Donald’s defense, he started out correcting the assumption that Stan Lee was beloved by all.

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Re: Passages

#14 Post by swo17 » Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:51 pm

Donald Brown wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:39 pm
Not intended to be an equal comparison, and you know it. Mark Zuckerberg was cited as an example, which perhaps you'd find more apt.

Edit: On second thought, Trump is a more equal comparison than even I realized. They're both shady businessmen who built their fame and fortune by screwing over other people.

Please do explain why this should be glossed over.
When Donald Trump does die, what good is it going to do for some random guy on the internet to say "good riddance"? Please explain why this demands to be addressed.

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Re: Passages

#15 Post by Big Ben » Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:53 pm

I don't even know if Donald is being serious or if I'm being gas-lighted. I'll take false moral equivalence for $1000 Alex.

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Re: Passages

#16 Post by knives » Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:00 pm

black&huge wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:49 pm
I recall when someone posted xxxtentacion's death in this thread not any positive word or thought of positivity was really implied. However Donald Brown was adding a bit of info to the legacy of Stan Lee and all of a sudden it's "respect the dead because they're dead". Which would make sense if literally everyone in the world and who will be in the world wasn't going to die. Lee can be praised for his accomplishments like any other celebrity but he or anyone is not above what is publicly known for their shady behavior.
My argument isn't respect the dead because they're dead. They don't care as they are dead after all. Instead my argument is about the living. Death is painful for people to witness whether it is family or someone who has greatly influenced your life. it is a small trauma and huffing and puffing with 'how actually's is cruel to what those people are going through. His death doesn't hurt me, but I know I was touched by Rohmer's death in a significant way and that if at the moment I found out some one went off about his negative attributes it would feel like being kicked when I was down. For the people with positive feelings for Lee Brown just seems outrageously tone deaf at best.

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Re: Passages

#17 Post by Roscoe » Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:19 pm

Donald Brown wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:39 pm
Not intended to be an equal comparison, and you know it. Mark Zuckerberg was cited as an example, which perhaps you'd find more apt.

Edit: On second thought, Trump is a more equal comparison than even I realized. They're both shady businessmen who built their fame and fortune by screwing over other people.

Please do explain why this should be glossed over.
Is there any writing about this behavior of Lee's, the dishonesty and screwings-over?

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Re: Stan Lee (1922-2018)

#18 Post by Donald Brown » Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:56 pm

Of course. You can start with this obituary, which gives a measured look at the man, good and bad.
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#19 Post by mfunk9786 » Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:58 pm

Broken link.

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#20 Post by Donald Brown » Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:22 pm

Thanks. It should work now.

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Re: Stan Lee (1922-2018)

#21 Post by Roscoe » Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:38 pm

Donald Brown wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:56 pm
Of course. You can start with this obituary, which gives a measured look at the man, good and bad.
Thanks.

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#22 Post by bearcuborg » Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:42 pm

Good stuff Donald.

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#23 Post by Polybius » Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:19 am

I always look forward to the latest installment of Donald Brown Presents: Wisdom From The Comics Journal.

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Re: Stan Lee (1922-2018)

#24 Post by Caligula » Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:50 am

Donald Brown wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:56 pm
Of course. You can start with this obituary, which gives a measured look at the man, good and bad.
Interesting read, thanks

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Re: Stan Lee (1922-2018)

#25 Post by Zot! » Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:43 am

Say what you want about Stan Lee, he cared about funny books through the thick and thin...

I had not heard this story :shock:
The legendary Alain Resnais (Hiroshima Mon Amour, Last Year at Marienbad) worked with Lee on a proposal for a Spider-Man movie that was to star Henry Winkler (Fonzie of Happy Days).

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