RIP Film wrote: ↑Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:22 pm
Mr Sausage wrote: Excuse me? The idea that I am arguing anything like "people hate popular things" is an absurd invention of your own.
You tell me it isn't implicit in your comments:
Mr Sausage wrote: It's not that I think the criticisms usually leveled at Marvel are wrong; I just find they are often overstated and take their proportion from the series' popularity rather than the films themselves.
E.G. people (like me) are ragging on Marvel because they are successful/popular.
I had a feeling you'd not only quote the above, but would strategically leave out a key part. Let's quote the thing in full, with an important part bolded:
Mr Sausage wrote:It's not that I think the criticisms usually leveled at Marvel are wrong; I just find they are often overstated and take their proportion from the series' popularity rather than the films themselves. This is also the case when they're overpraised.
So I'm being even handed, not holding one side more responsible than the other. In addition, I outright admit that the usual criticisms of Marvel are legitimate, which is hardly a position I'd take if I were merely going to claim that people only hated Marvel because they're popular.
I think the problem here is: my argument is nuanced, and you've long left nuance behind. Anger and outrage is the clearest thing I get from your posts. And that's too bad, because what I'm saying is more complicated than that "people hate popular things" and deserves a better reaction than you've given it. My argument is that the intensity with which both sides are making their claims is more a result of the large cultural effect of the films than the actual aesthetic merits of what's being praised or blamed, but that nevertheless the content of their praise or blame is worth taking seriously. In the process, I've been careful not to villainize either side, whereas many here are content to lambast Marvel fans for all sorts of crimes, from creating monocultures to destroying the free exchange of ideas to seemingly every other social ill arising from the internet.
Also, why do you assume I include you among those who overstate their case?
I'm not sure what you think of Marvel films or what the tenor of your criticisms are, so I don't see how
you can be so confident about my opinions of you. And I wrote my post well before you'd even entered the discussion, too, which makes your reaction even weirder.
RIP Films wrote:Also, your reduction of my arguments into:
People love pop culture and they get defensive about what they love. The internet has merely exacerbated what was always there.
There's literally nothing in here that contradicts what Brian C or I have said. The nature of fandoms has remained pretty consistent across pop culture. The only difference I can see is that social media makes voicing your opinion and joining mobs a lot easier.
Jesus Christ, dude. Those are
my arguments, not descriptions of your arguments. How are you having so much trouble following this conversation?
RIP Films wrote:Anyway I have better things to do than get into a long winded discussion about Marvel movies.
Sadly, you also seem to have better things to do than make proper coherent arguments.