Star Wars Franchise (1977-∞)

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#1026 Post by domino harvey » Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:33 pm

Trevorrow's Episode IX script getting rewrites from Jack Thorne, who has nothing to be optimistic about in his CV

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#1027 Post by knives » Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:54 pm

Who knows? Afterall the writer of American Pie did the script for Rogue One and everyone liked that, right?

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#1028 Post by Lost Highway » Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:16 am

knives wrote:Who knows? Afterall the writer of American Pie did the script for Rogue One and everyone liked that, right?
Rogue One was yet another film in this franchise which made me scratch my head as to why it's so beloved.

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#1029 Post by domino harvey » Wed Aug 02, 2017 4:04 am

He's being sarcastic-- in contrast to the Force Awakens, almost no one on this forum liked Rogue One

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#1030 Post by Lost Highway » Wed Aug 02, 2017 4:24 am

domino harvey wrote:He's being sarcastic-- in contrast to the Force Awakens, almost no one on this forum liked Rogue One
Cool, I remember it being generally well received. I think Gareth Edwards is an interesting director with an eye for striking visuals and a sense for awe and scale often missing in modern blockbusters but I suppose he never stood a chance against this juggernaut.

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#1031 Post by domino harvey » Wed Aug 02, 2017 4:30 am

I loved Monsters, but can't say his ingenuity there carried over to either of the franchises he was given keys to

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#1032 Post by Lost Highway » Wed Aug 02, 2017 4:41 am

domino harvey wrote:I loved Monsters, but can't say his ingenuity there carried over to either of the franchises he was given keys to
I too loved Monsters and despite the deficiencies in characterization and waste of a potentially great supporting cast, I also liked his Godzilla. I'm actually surprised how often I've rewatched it. The action scenes are the best shot Kaiju mayhem ever and every major set piece is very well staged. I liked his earthbound POV and the final SF battle has a beauty about it that reminds me of 19th century romantic painting. Unlike with something like the flimsy Pacific Rim where everything looked like toys, his monsters looked massive. Shame about the void at its centre that is Aaron Taylor-Johnson.

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#1033 Post by rawlinson » Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:48 am

domino harvey wrote:Trevorrow's Episode IX script getting rewrites from Jack Thorne, who has nothing to be optimistic about in his CV
Have you seen his t.v. work? Skins tends to split opinions, but his work seems to be mostly on the stronger early episodes. The various This Is England mini-series are excellent and The Fades is superb and rightly won the Bafta for best drama series in its year.

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#1034 Post by knives » Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:23 am

domino harvey wrote:I loved Monsters, but can't say his ingenuity there carried over to either of the franchises he was given keys to
To be fair, what, about ten minutes of footage he was actually involved in is in the movie.

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#1035 Post by Luke M » Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:18 am

I’ve seen a lot of praise for Rogue One in Twitter from left leaning journalists. I suppose if you’re viewing movies strictly through a progressive social/political lens it might appeal to you.

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#1036 Post by PfR73 » Wed Aug 02, 2017 12:20 pm

knives wrote:Who knows? Afterall the writer of American Pie did the script for Rogue One and everyone liked that, right?
Chris Weitz co-directed American Pie, but unless you know about an uncredited re-write, did not write it. It was written by Adam Herz.

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#1037 Post by domino harvey » Wed Aug 02, 2017 12:44 pm

rawlinson wrote:
domino harvey wrote:Trevorrow's Episode IX script getting rewrites from Jack Thorne, who has nothing to be optimistic about in his CV
Have you seen his t.v. work? Skins tends to split opinions, but his work seems to be mostly on the stronger early episodes. The various This Is England mini-series are excellent and The Fades is superb and rightly won the Bafta for best drama series in its year.
Oh wow, how did I miss that he was a writer for Skins? I rescind my initial comment and am now cautiously optimistic-- thanks for pointing this out!

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#1038 Post by Roger Ryan » Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:39 pm

bearcuborg wrote:Here's hoping we get a Clint Howard cameo.
You got your wish.

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#1039 Post by bearcuborg » Wed Aug 02, 2017 6:45 pm

Roger Ryan wrote:
bearcuborg wrote:Here's hoping we get a Clint Howard cameo.
You got your wish.
Thank you Opie Wan Kenobi. [-o<

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#1040 Post by bdsweeney » Wed Aug 02, 2017 6:49 pm

knives wrote:
domino harvey wrote:I loved Monsters, but can't say his ingenuity there carried over to either of the franchises he was given keys to
To be fair, what, about ten minutes of footage he was actually involved in is in the movie.
Genuine question: what do you mean?

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#1041 Post by carmilla mircalla » Wed Aug 02, 2017 6:52 pm

i hope Clint Howard plays a direct relative of Elan Sleazebaggano

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#1042 Post by mfunk9786 » Wed Aug 02, 2017 6:52 pm

bdsweeney wrote:
knives wrote:
domino harvey wrote:I loved Monsters, but can't say his ingenuity there carried over to either of the franchises he was given keys to
To be fair, what, about ten minutes of footage he was actually involved in is in the movie.
Genuine question: what do you mean?
There were tons of reshoots for Rogue One, so little of Edwards' original vision remained.

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#1043 Post by knives » Wed Aug 02, 2017 6:53 pm

bdsweeney wrote:
knives wrote:
domino harvey wrote:I loved Monsters, but can't say his ingenuity there carried over to either of the franchises he was given keys to
To be fair, what, about ten minutes of footage he was actually involved in is in the movie.
Genuine question: what do you mean?
The film was massively reshot and to my understanding almost none of Edwards' footage ended up in the final product.

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#1044 Post by bdsweeney » Wed Aug 02, 2017 7:30 pm

knives wrote:
bdsweeney wrote:
knives wrote: To be fair, what, about ten minutes of footage he was actually involved in is in the movie.
Genuine question: what do you mean?
The film was massively reshot and to my understanding almost none of Edwards' footage ended up in the final product.
Oh, sorry! I thought you were referring to Monsters as having only 10 minutes' worth of his footage left and was confused.

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#1045 Post by carmilla mircalla » Wed Aug 02, 2017 7:47 pm

Didn't Edwards say that he also shot scenes just for the trailer because they would look good in a trailer? at least that's something I heard. I never knew how little of his own footage actually ended up in the final film or if he in fact shot whole cohesive scenes

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#1046 Post by knives » Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:32 pm

It's in this thread, but I believe the skinny is that he finished principle and did some of the reshoot a before getting replaced following a major rewrite which changed the lead's motivation and the whole final act.

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#1047 Post by R0lf » Thu Aug 03, 2017 12:20 am

carmilla mircalla wrote:Didn't Edwards say that he also shot scenes just for the trailer because they would look good in a trailer? at least that's something I heard. I never knew how little of his own footage actually ended up in the final film or if he in fact shot whole cohesive scenes
I think that was Spiderman?

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#1048 Post by warren oates » Thu Aug 03, 2017 12:44 am

All the Rogue One bashing is starting to bore me. Count me as one who much prefers the termite art of Rogue One with its nose in the trenches to the overthought overwrought precious white elephantiasis of The Force Awakens. I've read enough about how the sausage was made in both cases that I couldn't care less. What I wanted from Rogue One was the kind of Star Wars story we'd get if we just hung out with a sampling of the sort of rebels who, for example, defended the Hoth base in The Empire Strikes Back, which remains the best of series. That Rogue One makes it all a team effort in a way that hadn't felt authentically so since Empire and that it manages to make us care about a cast it has the guts to kill off completely makes it all even better. There's no spectacle in The Force Awakens that comes close to thrilling me the way the shield gate in Rogue One does. And I'll take K-2SO over BB-8 any day.

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#1049 Post by whaleallright » Thu Aug 03, 2017 2:44 am

you're talking about a Star Wars franchise film as "termite art"???

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#1050 Post by tenia » Thu Aug 03, 2017 5:06 am

warren oates wrote:What I wanted from Rogue One was the kind of Star Wars story we'd get if we just hung out with a sampling of the sort of rebels who, for example, defended the Hoth base in The Empire Strikes Back, which remains the best of series. That Rogue One makes it all a team effort in a way that hadn't felt authentically so since Empire and that it manages to make us care about a cast it has the guts to kill off completely makes it all even better. There's no spectacle in The Force Awakens that comes close to thrilling me the way the shield gate in Rogue One does. And I'll take K-2SO over BB-8 any day.
Yet, Rogue One is a 2h20 movie where the first half is basically an awful circonvoluted bore that could have easily lost a whole chunk of scenes (the whole Saw Guerreira part, especially) with close to no loss for the viewer.

While I agree that Rogue One probably is the best of the 2, both actually are deeply flawed, they just have different flaws and in both cases are far from the quality displayed in the OT.

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