Toby Dammit (Federico Fellini, 1968)
- King Prendergast
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Toby Dammit (Federico Fellini, 1968)
Any thoughts on this bizarre, structuralist masterpiece segment in the AIP omnibus film Histoires extraordinaires ?
- King Prendergast
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Okay, maybe a little Wikipedia is in order. Structural film is not to be be confused with the critical theoretical/philosophical concept, structuralism. Guy Fihman's film, like Michael Snow's Wavelength for example, are structural films.planetjake wrote:I'm lost as to how the film is structuralist. Central Region? Yes. Ultrarouge-Infraviolet Heck yeah! Toby Dammit? I dunno.
Toby Dammit is a structuralist film because it even self-referentially calls itself a structuralist film, something that gets to the heart of its very structuralism.
But nothing in that article supports your argument. Toby Dammit is a complex film. And since when are films allowed to critically assess themselves? Are you trying to say that Toby Dammit has structural ideas in it? Because that I agree with and can see. But you're still calling it a Structuralist Film, which it is not.King Prendergast wrote:Okay, maybe a little Wikipedia is in order. Structural film is not to be be confused with the critical theoretical/philosophical concept, structuralism. Guy Fihman's film, like Michael Snow's Wavelength for example, are structural films.
Toby Dammit is a structuralist film because it even self-referentially calls itself a structuralist film, something that gets to the heart of its very structuralism.
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I know the difference between Structuralist Philosophy and Structuralist film. It was your phrasing I was stumbling on. But we're on the same page now. No biggie. No drama. No antagonism.King Prendergast wrote:Right. I'm not saying it is a structural film. Thats what that article is about.
It is structuralist. You know... Foucault, Barthes, Lacan, Althusser.....structuralism.
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Right. Just gotta watch out for those "-isms". So you can see how the film could be considered structuralist in certain respects, not least of which is the fact that in the early scene when the producers are talking to Toby about the western they plan to make they say explicitly that it will be a "structuralist film" which draws on Pasolini, Dreyer, Zinneman, and "of course John Ford" along with Barthes, Lukacs, etc. Its pretty clear that that is meant to be self referential to Toby Dammit itself.I know the difference between Structuralist Philosophy and Structuralist film. It was your phrasing I was stumbling on. But we're on the same page now. No biggie. No drama. No antagonism.
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I'm really excited that you cited Foucault when it comes to this film as structuralist. I haven't seen this or any of the other films in the omnibus, but that statement really intrigued me.King Prendergast wrote:It is structuralist. You know... Foucault, Barthes, Lacan, Althusser.....structuralism.
Care to elaborate on the film for newbies, King? What makes it structuralist? Is it along the lines of something like Tom Jones or Richard Lester's stuff? Am I even correct in seeing those films as structuralist? Of course, all this is completely subjective...
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