Rogue One (Gareth Edwards, 2016)
- movielocke
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based on audience reaction to that brief scene of a bad guy at the end of Rogue One, I would expect a standalone film called
Vader
to be fast tracked.
Vader
to be fast tracked.
- Roscoe
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ROGUE ONE seemed an explicitly implicit statement that they're well aware that all anybody really wants is the first movie back.
- DarkImbecile
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That's clearly opaque.Roscoe wrote:explicitly implicit
- Brian C
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Finally got around to seeing Rogue One today, and while I don't have anything to say about its overall quality that hasn't already been said by its detractors in this thread, one detail did have me shaking my head:
SpoilerShow
So Vader shows up at the very end in a battle scene and is a complete badass, even though we see him - presumably only months later - in A New Hope, in his fight with Obi-Wan. In that fight, of course, we see two wheezy old men who can barely summon the strength to swing light sabers while staying on their feet. Maybe the next spin-off will be about a daring secret rebel mission to sabotage Vader's life support systems so that he experiences a severe dropoff in his motor skills.
- movielocke
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Star Wars
as a retcon interpretation, vader is circling obi wan cautiously in that fight while boasting he is the master now while obi wan taunts him with lines about becoming more powerful and mysteriously holding back on his abilities, last time they fought Vader lost four limbs and was left for dead, he's moderately terrified of aggressively attacking obi wan again. He also saw yoda beat the snot out of dooku, so he's not ready to fall for a weak old man feint.Brian C wrote:Finally got around to seeing Rogue One today, and while I don't have anything to say about its overall quality that hasn't already been said by its detractors in this thread, one detail did have me shaking my head:SpoilerShowSo Vader shows up at the very end in a battle scene and is a complete badass, even though we see him - presumably only months later - in A New Hope, in his fight with Obi-Wan. In that fight, of course, we see two wheezy old men who can barely summon the strength to swing light sabers while staying on their feet. Maybe the next spin-off will be about a daring secret rebel mission to sabotage Vader's life support systems so that he experiences a severe dropoff in his motor skills.
- Brian C
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Seems like a stretch to me. I'm going with my preferred interpretation, which is that Alec Guinness was too old for that kind of thing, and that anyway, Lucas's original idea of what The Force was didn't include a lot of kickass lightsaber fights.movielocke wrote:as a retcon interpretation, vader is circling obi wan cautiously in that fight while boasting he is the master now while obi wan taunts him with lines about becoming more powerful and mysteriously holding back on his abilities, last time they fought Vader lost four limbs and was left for dead, he's moderately terrified of aggressively attacking obi wan again. He also saw yoda beat the snot out of dooku, so he's not ready to fall for a weak old man feint.
- movielocke
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oh agreed completely.Brian C wrote:Seems like a stretch to me. I'm going with my preferred interpretation, which is that Alec Guinness was too old for that kind of thing, and that anyway, Lucas's original idea of what The Force was didn't include a lot of kickass lightsaber fights.movielocke wrote:as a retcon interpretation, vader is circling obi wan cautiously in that fight while boasting he is the master now while obi wan taunts him with lines about becoming more powerful and mysteriously holding back on his abilities, last time they fought Vader lost four limbs and was left for dead, he's moderately terrified of aggressively attacking obi wan again. He also saw yoda beat the snot out of dooku, so he's not ready to fall for a weak old man feint.
- bearcuborg
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Also, Yoda didn't beat the snot out of Dooku.
- Brian C
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I think the franchise has been put in a very weird place. There's both the feverish desire to maintain continuity with the original trilogy for the sake of fan service, but at the same time there's a need to churn out modern franchise blockbusters. This was a problem for the prequels too - advances in special effects and changes in overall sensibility meant that the prequels did not take place in a universe recognizable as the universe from the original trilogy.
I will say for Rogue One though, that at least a lot of the sets had that same low-tech lived-in feel that the original trilogy had. I appreciated that even if I didn't otherwise really believe that the events of the film were taking place immediately before A New Hope.
I will say for Rogue One though, that at least a lot of the sets had that same low-tech lived-in feel that the original trilogy had. I appreciated that even if I didn't otherwise really believe that the events of the film were taking place immediately before A New Hope.
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That was my fear when it was first announced that Lucas had sold Lucasfilm to Di$ney; that they'd turn SW into the same sort of homogenized cookie-cutter blockbuster franchise that they did with the Marvel universe. There is, after all, such thing as too much of a good thing (these proposed standalone films are already stoking this fire). Another self-fulfilling prophecy may be taking place as we speak.
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I'd love to see George back in some capacity. I don't know how interesting the SW universe is without him or Kasden. If Rogue One is any indication, not all that interesting at all...
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I have never heard or seen anyone who prefers Rogue One over The Force Awakens.Shrew wrote:And that fan base seems to prefer Rogue One over Force Awakens for its darker take (shades of the DCU), while the general public was more critical.
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My Facebook feed was filled with people saying Rogue One was the best Star Wars since Empire Strikes Back (the Holy Grail of Star Wars movies), which i was slightly sad to discover was not the case.
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I think standards were lowered so severely by the prequels that many fans have deluded themselves into believing that
Force Awakens and Rogue One have artistic merit, when they clearly do not.
Force Awakens and Rogue One have artistic merit, when they clearly do not.
- knives
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Force Awakens clearly does have artistic merit even if it it probably only in a sort of self introspective inside the naval fashion.
- domino harvey
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I am not a fan of the series and I believe the Force Awakens has tremendous artistic merit. A cursory look at our collective Bests of 2015 would show you that many of your fellow boarders agree. Perhaps your fresh take is just too hot to be wasted on us simpletonsbeamish13 wrote:I think standards were lowered so severely by the prequels that many fans have deluded themselves into believing that
Force Awakens and Rogue One have artistic merit, when they clearly do not.
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Kasden was far from a ceremonial hire. He clearly helped to "make things right again."
Also, if you switched the two films in your argument I would agree.
Also, if you switched the two films in your argument I would agree.
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Cool, I remember it being generally well received. I think Gareth Edwards is an interesting director with an eye for striking visuals and a sense for awe and scale often missing in modern blockbusters but I suppose he never stood a chance against this juggernaut.domino harvey wrote:He's being sarcastic-- in contrast to the Force Awakens, almost no one on this forum liked Rogue One
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I loved Monsters, but can't say his ingenuity there carried over to either of the franchises he was given keys to
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I too loved Monsters and despite the deficiencies in characterization and waste of a potentially great supporting cast, I also liked his Godzilla. I'm actually surprised how often I've rewatched it. The action scenes are the best shot Kaiju mayhem ever and every major set piece is very well staged. I liked his earthbound POV and the final SF battle has a beauty about it that reminds me of 19th century romantic painting. Unlike with something like the flimsy Pacific Rim where everything looked like toys, his monsters looked massive. Shame about the void at its centre that is Aaron Taylor-Johnson.domino harvey wrote:I loved Monsters, but can't say his ingenuity there carried over to either of the franchises he was given keys to
- knives
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To be fair, what, about ten minutes of footage he was actually involved in is in the movie.domino harvey wrote:I loved Monsters, but can't say his ingenuity there carried over to either of the franchises he was given keys to
- Luke M
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I’ve seen a lot of praise for Rogue One in Twitter from left leaning journalists. I suppose if you’re viewing movies strictly through a progressive social/political lens it might appeal to you.
- bdsweeney
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Genuine question: what do you mean?knives wrote:To be fair, what, about ten minutes of footage he was actually involved in is in the movie.domino harvey wrote:I loved Monsters, but can't say his ingenuity there carried over to either of the franchises he was given keys to
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There were tons of reshoots for Rogue One, so little of Edwards' original vision remained.bdsweeney wrote:Genuine question: what do you mean?knives wrote:To be fair, what, about ten minutes of footage he was actually involved in is in the movie.domino harvey wrote:I loved Monsters, but can't say his ingenuity there carried over to either of the franchises he was given keys to
- knives
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The film was massively reshot and to my understanding almost none of Edwards' footage ended up in the final product.bdsweeney wrote:Genuine question: what do you mean?knives wrote:To be fair, what, about ten minutes of footage he was actually involved in is in the movie.domino harvey wrote:I loved Monsters, but can't say his ingenuity there carried over to either of the franchises he was given keys to