Awards Season 2018

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movielocke
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Re: Awards Season 2018

#76 Post by movielocke » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:04 pm

Feego wrote:Counting the days until the Academy just follows the Critics' Choice lead and has separate categories for action films, comedies and sci-fi/horror.
Arguably it’s the Awards film echo chamber that resulted in these separate categories for that awards body, they diagnosed the same problem the academy just diagnosed but they figured it out years ago, but rather than just vote for films in those second class citizen genres as the best of the year, they chose to segregate them to their proper place because honestly including “non Oscar” films might ruin their prized Oscar predicting role, and we can’t ruin that now can we?!

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Re: Awards Season 2018

#77 Post by Brian C » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:09 pm

If this really is a gambit to avoid a BLACK PANTHER backlash, as has been suggested, then this is twice as stupid. Sure, there’s a BLACK PANTHER this year, but black-oriented “popular” films seem on balance to be just as white as normal Oscar contenders. So unless the Academy is going to nominate an annual Tyler Perry movie or every EQUALIZER sequel that comes down the pike, I doubt this will lead to much progress on the #OscarsSoWhite issue.

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Re: Awards Season 2018

#78 Post by zedz » Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:55 pm

Brian C wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:09 pm
If this really is a gambit to avoid a BLACK PANTHER backlash, as has been suggested, then this is twice as stupid. Sure, there’s a BLACK PANTHER this year, but black-oriented “popular” films seem on balance to be just as white as normal Oscar contenders. So unless the Academy is going to nominate an annual Tyler Perry movie or every EQUALIZER sequel that comes down the pike, I doubt this will lead to much progress on the #OscarsSoWhite issue.
I don't understand why this should be an issue (with the Best Picture category, at any rate), since in the last five years two of the winners have been by Black directors and two have been by Hispanic directors. I think any 'backlash' might be more from crybaby manchildren than from black audiences.

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Awards Season 2018

#79 Post by Brian C » Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:14 pm

zedz wrote:I don't understand why this should be an issue (with the Best Picture category, at any rate), since in the last five years two of the winners have been by Black directors and two have been by Hispanic directors. I think any 'backlash' might be more from crybaby manchildren than from black audiences.
Well, diversity concerns (specifically re: BLACK PANTHER) have been raised as a possible rationale for the new category in this thread and also pretty much everywhere else. So it plainly is an issue, whether it should be or not.

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Re: Awards Season 2018

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Re: Awards Season 2018

#81 Post by movielocke » Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:51 am

Brian C wrote:If this really is a gambit to avoid a BLACK PANTHER backlash, as has been suggested, then this is twice as stupid. Sure, there’s a BLACK PANTHER this year, but black-oriented “popular” films seem on balance to be just as white as normal Oscar contenders. So unless the Academy is going to nominate an annual Tyler Perry movie or every EQUALIZER sequel that comes down the pike, I doubt this will lead to much progress on the #OscarsSoWhite issue.
Well if the idea catches on that this is meant to segregate black panther away from best picture, then this more or less guarantees black panther gets a best picture nomination.

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Re: Awards Season 2018

#82 Post by McCrutchy » Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:20 am

That was pretty much a given, anyway, which is probably why the Academy tried to create a new category for it. The film is this year's Avatar in that it's simply grown too big to ignore when you have ten Best Picture nominees, but unlike the Cameron film, it wasn't given a prime release date and wasn't expected to make several hundred million dollars, which makes its achievement that much more profound.

Possibly the bigger issue for the Academy is that if they allowed Black Panther into the Best Picture nominees, it would put pressure on them to allow future comic book films that are as commercially and critically successful into the same category. Ten years ago, they successfully avoided The Dark Knight, but from the Academy's perspective, they could be looking at a 2019 where they potentially end up with Captain Marvel and Avengers 4 both in the running for Best Picture. From there, it's not too big a leap to the other big children's and fantasy films being released in 2019, like Aladdin or Dumbo for example. If either or both films break out the way that, say, Beauty and the Beast did in 2017, then they could be hard to ignore, too.

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Re: Awards Season 2018

#83 Post by mfunk9786 » Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:01 pm

The Ringer has decided to steer into the skid and speculate on what might have won Best Popular Film over some of the last 25 years.

Pretty hastily thrown together piece, would have loved to see this hit every year. But interesting thought experiment nonetheless.

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