Paramount Catalog Titles on Blu

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EddieLarkin
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Re: Paramount Catalog Titles on Blu

#351 Post by EddieLarkin » Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:40 pm

senseabove wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:58 pm
And is this the first 4k release of a born-B&W, studio-era film (i.e. excluding the modern B&W de-colorizations like Mad Max)?
Yes. I believe the only other true B&W film on UHD is Schindler's List, though of course that isn't a studio era film nor is it completely B&W.

This won't be the oldest film on UHD for long though as The Wizard of Oz is coming around the same time.

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#352 Post by senseabove » Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:33 pm

Then I'll be curious to hear folks who've claimed that B&W film can benefit from HDR as much/more than color chime in once it's out.

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Re: Paramount Catalog Titles on Blu

#353 Post by EddieLarkin » Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:39 pm

There's a good example of what is possible here.

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Re: Paramount Catalog Titles on Blu

#354 Post by andyli » Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:09 am

senseabove wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:58 pm
And is this the first 4k release of a born-B&W, studio-era film (i.e. excluding the modern B&W de-colorizations like Mad Max)?
Depending on how loosely you define 'studio-era', Gaumont's Les Tontons Flingueurs was released back in 2017, which is probably the first B&W classic film on 4K UHD.

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Re: Paramount Catalog Titles on Blu

#355 Post by senseabove » Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:13 pm

EddieLarkin wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:39 pm
There's a good example of what is possible here.
Thanks! Now I'm going to spend my coffee time googling film stocks.
andyli wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:09 am
Depending on how loosely you define 'studio-era', Gaumont's Les Tontons Flingueurs was released back in 2017, which is probably the first B&W classic film on 4K UHD.
I'd think that qualifies for the purposes of the question, but sounds like that 4k disc doesn't use HDR, which is where the hypothetical benefit would be, if I've understood things correctly.

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Re: Paramount Catalog Titles on Blu

#356 Post by EddieLarkin » Thu Aug 08, 2019 3:47 pm

Yes, due to the diminishing returns one experiences with every doubling of resolution, watching a 4K transfer in 2160p is not going to be hugely different to watching it in 1080p (and possibly not at all from the more common viewing distances). Certainly not anything like the revelatory difference between 1080p and SD. This is why UHDs of 2K films are just as worthy as a 4K, because HDR is what makes the real difference.

Texas Chain Saw Massacre is available on a non-HDR 4K disc in Germany, but due to the excellent encoding of the 1080p Second Sight disc of the same 4K transfer, the consensus is that the latter is superior.

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Re: Paramount Catalog Titles on Blu

#357 Post by solaris72 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:21 pm

senseabove wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:58 pm
Just read through the description and this seems unusual: "The 4K Ultra HD Combo Pack includes the black-and-white film in 4K high definition, as well as a colorized version on Blu-ray, along with three special features new to 4K Blu-ray disc: "Restoring a Beloved Classic," "Secrets from the Vault," and "It's A Wonderful Wrap Party." A 2-Disc Blu-ray set will also be available that includes the newly remastered film in black-and-white, along with a colorized version and the three special features listed above."

So you can get the B&W 4K + Colorized BD, OR you can get the B&W BD + Colorized BD. But there's no "future proofing" option if you want the B&W BD now and the B&W 4k disc for later.

And is this the first 4k release of a born-B&W, studio-era film (i.e. excluding the modern B&W de-colorizations like Mad Max)?
Not studio-era but Schindler's List was "born-B&W".

EDIT: Missed EddieLarkin's post above.

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Re: Paramount Catalog Titles on Blu

#358 Post by KJones77 » Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:42 pm

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php? ... ount=34208
Paramount will be releasing some of their essentials in 2020
Very exciting, but curious to see what titles and how.

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#359 Post by FrauBlucher » Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:37 pm

I’ll pass judgement when they’re announced. Not confident their ‘essential’ means the same for me

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#360 Post by Luke M » Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:06 pm

I've always felt Paramount thinks Top Gun is their most essential movie. It's been released 14 different ways on blu-ray already.

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#361 Post by captveg » Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:11 pm

Luke M wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:06 pm
I've always felt Paramount thinks Top Gun is their most essential movie. It's been released 14 different ways on blu-ray already.
I'm expecting the 4K UHD of Top Gun next summer when the sequel releases.

Hopefully the "essentials" include Hud and Roman Holiday, among others.

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Re: Paramount Catalog Titles on Blu

#362 Post by FrauBlucher » Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:52 pm

If I went UHD this is a title I’d pick up...The Hunt for Red October

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Re: Paramount Catalog Titles on Blu

#363 Post by captveg » Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:50 pm

Some recent comments recently from the KL Insider. They did not get another Paramount deal at this time, but perhaps later in 2020 or 2021. For right now Kino considered the licensing cost too high. So, not sure if any other labels aside from Criterion or Shout will crack the Paramount "previously released on DVD via Paramount" barrier, but perhaps Arrow can still.

KL Insider did suggest again that Paramount intends to step up their catalog BD game in 2020, this time specifically in regards to Targets.

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#364 Post by agnamaracs » Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:28 am

captveg wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:50 pm
KL Insider did suggest again that Paramount intends to step up their catalog BD game in 2020, this time specifically in regards to Targets.
I think that was in reference to Arthur Penn's Target.

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Re: Paramount Catalog Titles on Blu

#365 Post by captveg » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:41 pm

agnamaracs wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:28 am
captveg wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:50 pm
KL Insider did suggest again that Paramount intends to step up their catalog BD game in 2020, this time specifically in regards to Targets.
I think that was in reference to Arthur Penn's Target.
Thanks, I had misread that.


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Re: Paramount Catalog Titles on Blu

#367 Post by Adam Grikepelis » Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:01 am

Well at least the cover art (?) looks appropriately cheap.

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Re: Paramount Catalog Titles on Blu

#368 Post by The Fanciful Norwegian » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:49 am

Looks like Barbarella is the only one on that list that's coming out as a BD-R (as opposed to DVD-R only), which makes a certain amount of sense since it's the only one Paramount has previously released on Blu. But I can't be too sure about that because I have no idea where one is supposed to purchase these.

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#369 Post by domino harvey » Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:22 pm

Blu-Ray forum confirms several other titles are BD-Rs, and they are commercial former pressed releases like the Ring, Varsity Blues, and Clueless

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Re: Paramount Catalog Titles on Blu

#370 Post by The Fanciful Norwegian » Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:17 pm

Yep, I found the thread here. Apparently there's no master list of these anywhere, people are just digging them up on Amazon. The only indication they're BD-Rs at all is that the Amazon cover art doesn't have the official Blu-ray logo, and even that isn't consistent (the Barbarella reissue still shows the official logo on Amazon). Some of these (Barbarella, Clueless, The Ring) are the sort of thing Shout or various other third parties would probably love to get their hands on, so I guess the much-hoped-for relaxation of Paramount's licensing policy isn't happening soon.

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#371 Post by captveg » Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:09 pm

First brand new to Blu-ray title of this BD-R MOD program discovered - The Molly Maguires (1970)

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#372 Post by captveg » Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:19 pm

A second new-to-Blu BD-R that came out on 12/13/19 - Captive (2015)

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Re: Paramount Catalog Titles on Blu

#373 Post by domino harvey » Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:48 pm

captveg wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:19 pm
A second new-to-Blu BD-R that came out on 12/13/19 - Captive (2015)
What's strange is that this had a RedBox-only pressed Blu-ray already. Strangely, there are listings and art for a 2015 release, but I'm pretty sure it never had a commercial release on Blu-ray, at least not in the US


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Re: Paramount Catalog Titles on Blu

#375 Post by domino harvey » Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:59 pm

I am reasonably certain no US release existed, because I remember when the Blu-ray was canceled. I don't know what's going on with these listings, but I suspect no one can produce a copy of the alleged 2015 pressed release with the pictured packaging

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