1000 Godzilla: The Showa-Era Films, 1954-1975

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Re: 1000 Godzilla: The Showa-Era Films, 1954-1975

#251 Post by FrauBlucher » Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:30 am


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Re: 1000 Godzilla: The Showa-Era Films, 1954-1975

#252 Post by tenia » Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:37 am

Svet is trying hard in this one :
"It is true that there is some room for improvement, but all films actually have native density fluctuations that not only will be retained on a new master (4K or 2K), but because of their native qualities will almost certainly be exacerbated. For example, screencapture #7 highlights a drop in density levels with special effects work that will look even rougher on a new master."
So we should actually rejoice that Criterion only got pre-existing HD masters because new restorations would actually make these movies worse looking.

I have no idea what he means by "density fluctuations being retained on a new master" though. What he means by "density fluctuations" usually relates to heterogeneous coarse grain and thick aspect, typical from dated HD masters, but that's precisely what newer restorations would improve on.

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Re: 1000 Godzilla: The Showa-Era Films, 1954-1975

#253 Post by ComradeMisato » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:54 am

The most obvious ones are on the three films from the third disc where it appears that there is some overexposing of the bottom end of the frame that reveals camera movement/or the reel transitions.
Svet sees a visible editing area and doesn't know what he's looking at, but we should trust and value his opinion on images sourced from film.

Also what kind of absolute layman's take is "Optical processes result in some loss of quality, so when you think about it, isn't it a good thing none of the other shots look very sharp either?"

While he's at it, why doesn't he also complain about old movies having "bad graphics" or lament the fact that the images are letterboxed/pillarboxed and don't fill his entire screen?

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Re: 1000 Godzilla: The Showa-Era Films, 1954-1975

#254 Post by tenia » Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:33 am

To be fair, he usually knows better, but there are a few very specific things that seem completely foreign to him (the 24/25fps justification for Dekalog and the lack of rolling shutter on TV screens visible in an episode for instance). But it's a completely different thing indeed to twist things to the point you're basically saying "new restorations are pointless". Sure optical effects shots would be even more jarring, but still : it'd yield a better result anyway, and it's not as if there aren't tons of movies lavishly restored to prove how benefic it is.
Such an assessment is something I'd expect from a blog whose PQ review usually is 2 lines long.

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Re: 1000 Godzilla: The Showa-Era Films, 1954-1975

#255 Post by MichaelB » Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:29 am

I remember a time when he really blew up at me on Blu-ray.com, wagging his finger so hard that I'm surprised he could still type with it afterwards.

My crime? I'd posted what I thought was a completely uncontroversial comment to the effect that Arrow's then-new 2K original-neg cinematographer-supervised restoration of The Long Good Friday gives the lie to countless reviewers who claimed that older versions were "the best we're going to get" because of the film's "low budget". Svet, bizarrely, interpreted this as an attack on Blu-ray.com specifically, even though this was a commonplace observation amongst many reviewers - in fact, it's the kind of knee-jerk assumption I myself might have made back in the day. I didn't even look up the Blu-ray.com review (which wasn't by Svet) before making my comment, as it clearly wasn't necessary.

But what I remember most vividly was the sheer vehemence of his response (he sounded properly angry, instead of the usual faux-bonhomie): apparently I was "being really embarrassing and unprofessional" in "trying to shame Blu-ray.com". I was obviously doing nothing of the kind, and so many people leaped to my defence (and none to his) that he ended up deleting the entire exchange (including my original comment), but I remember being fascinated by how I'd entirely inadvertently tweaked such a clearly exposed nerve.

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Re: 1000 Godzilla: The Showa-Era Films, 1954-1975

#256 Post by tenia » Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:18 am

Answered in the dedicated thread.

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Re: 1000 Godzilla: The Showa-Era Films, 1954-1975

#257 Post by ComradeMisato » Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:27 pm

Full review on DVDBeaver.

No surprises to speak of.

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