I could see Kino taking issue with how Criterion releases less than 30 titles a monthFrauBlucher wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:13 pmbluray.com poster wrote:Hoping it's Le Deuxième Souffle (1966). Not sure if that's with StudioCanal or not.KL Insider wrote:It's not with StudioCanal. And I'm sure it's still with Criterion. They just need to release it on BD.bluray.com poster wrote:Only problem is with Criterion, they have a stockpile of films that they do nothing with. There is a decent chance that a Blu-ray could be years away or never happen. Oh well.Interesting. Does this sound like a complaint about the way Criterion does biz from the KL Insider.KL Insider wrote:Yeah, but they've been to sit on a title for 5 years, not release it and renew it for an additional 5 years.
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Didn't Kino operate the same as Criterion before they started the Studio Classic line?
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Those Criterion assholes, taking time to actually restore and remaster movies instead of shoveling 20 year old tv masters onto Blu-ray. It’s like they have standards or something. Ugh.
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Imagine a market where most indie labels would release 30 titles per month but people would still have the same video budgets.
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I've been familiar with Kino for about as long as criterion. As far back as I can remember (before blu-rays of any kind) they always seemed to lack the level of care that Criterion had even with their dvd releases. As far as I have seen they haven't changed up anything since putting out blusFrauBlucher wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:45 pmDidn't Kino operate the same as Criterion before they started the Studio Classic line?
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I was talking strictly volume and not quality. That has always been suspect. I believe Kino would only release a handful of titles at a time much like the other boutiques, right? Since they started the Studio Classic line they've been like a factoryblack&huge wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:00 pmI've been familiar with Kino for about as long as criterion. As far back as I can remember (before blu-rays of any kind) they always seemed to lack the level of care that Criterion had even with their dvd releases. As far as I have seen they haven't changed up anything since putting out blusFrauBlucher wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:45 pmDidn't Kino operate the same as Criterion before they started the Studio Classic line?
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No, they've always been factory like. It's just that they are now releasing more high profile titles and not just obscure silents that ten people want to watch.
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bumpingFrauBlucher wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 8:39 pmOFFICIALLY RETURNED TO CRITERION
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Speculation
Returning to this thread like a kid returning to the toy store window contemplating.
So far based on what Kino has released and what the KLinsider says, the films that are strongly suggested coming back to Criterion:
Army of Shadows
Le Cercle Rouge
Pierrot le Fou
Tales of Hoffman
Peeping Tom
Diary of a Chambermaid
Maybe these will return to Criterion or there is a chance Cohen has swooped in to take them as the KLInsider has said other companies have joined the party:
Le Trou
A Diary of a Country Priest
Forbidden Games
Discreet Charm
Phantom of Liberty
Nights of Cabiria
Variety Lights
The White Sheik
Films of Carlos Saura
Film that wasn't with Criterion but the Kino Insider has said Kino didn't get it even though they wanted it:
The Trial
Prediction: The shitty Lionsgate/SC releases will be replaced by Criterion releases at some point (Ran, The Third Man, Contempt, La Grande Illusion and The Obscure Object of Desire)
Please add to this if I missed something...
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Put Diary of a Chambermaid as most certainly rejoining the collection.
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So for SC films like Army of Shadows, Le Cercle Rouge, Pierre Le fou, etc that already had criterion blu releases do people think they will be completely new editions when/if released. I've seen people guessing them in the quarantined thread and it seems like a waste of an announcment slot if there is nothing new about them. (Apologies if I should have placed this message in that thread)
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Third man would probably be new, ran probably new, but the three you mentioned probably the same edition.Glowingwabbit wrote:So for SC films like Army of Shadows, Le Cercle Rouge, Pierre Le fou, etc that already had criterion blu releases do people think they will be completely new editions when/if released. I've seen people guessing them in the quarantined thread and it seems like a waste of an announcment slot if there is nothing new about them. (Apologies if I should have placed this message in that thread)
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Is it possible that all of the unchanged, previous editions of OOP SC stuff would be announced en masse and just back in print, followed by the then newly produced discs of stuff like Ran, third man, discreet charm announced months later?
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Not really, since they didn’t grab all forty plus back, their strategy is almost certainly trickling them out like any other second edition format upgrade. Possibly a bigger batch at the beginning, but in all likelihood, criterion is going to take their time putting them out, likely no more than six a year.Robespierre wrote:Is it possible that all of the unchanged, previous editions of OOP SC stuff would be announced en masse and just back in print, followed by the then newly produced discs of stuff like Ran, third man, discreet charm announced months later?
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Where are you pulling these numbers from? Obviously, like everything else they hold rights to, these rereleases are going to trickle out, but there's zero cause to put quotas to it in advance
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Well iirc, there were forty something studio canal titles that went oop, and in the fraublaucher post a couple up, there’s about twenty possibilities listed. I wouldn’t expect them to do one a month, but I would expect they’d want them in the docket so that led me to guess about six a year.domino harvey wrote:Where are you pulling these numbers from? Obviously, like everything else they hold rights to, these rereleases are going to trickle out, but there's zero cause to put quotas to it in advance
The guess that they might do a larger batch at the first is just specious guessing based on n=1 of the first batch of blugrades.
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Diary of A Country Priest is on the channel with StudioCanal + Criterion logo. Also a brief moment saying RESTORED IN 4K. KLInsider said no Bresson so this sounds like a for sure return. Looks stunning and has the OG commentary from the old DVD.
Note: this title and Fitzcarraldo are the only films of the August batch working on my Apple TV.
Note: this title and Fitzcarraldo are the only films of the August batch working on my Apple TV.
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Film Movement looks be another label licensing StudioCanal titles, releasing the Ealing comedies The Titfield Thunderbolt and Passport to Pimlico in December.
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Winter Kills (out in January) is the first of Indicator’s StudioCanal licenses, but there’ll be a lot more throughout 2020 - although I suspect they’ll all be locked to Region B as per contractual stipulation.
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KL Insider has all but confirmed a few titles are back with Criterion:
"...Peeping Tom, Forbidden Games and Le Trou went to another label, you can probably guess who. Lionsgate has kept The Third Man."
"...Peeping Tom, Forbidden Games and Le Trou went to another label, you can probably guess who. Lionsgate has kept The Third Man."
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That is incredible news. Now the waiting game for a Peeping Tom upgrade.
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The Third Man news is a bit depressing considering the Studio Canal release of that has botched audio. Hopefully Lionsgate actually does something with it in the U.S.
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Army of Shadows announced!
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I think this update is correct, but perhaps Frau can correct me if I'm wrong:
20/07/15 update: moved PIerrot le Fou to the re-release section
20/07/15 updated list based on the "getharrypalmer' info down thread
20/10/15 updated: moved three Buneles to re-release section
21/01/15 updated: moved Fellinis to re-release section, with notation, made new section base on possible new SC licenses
Criterion re-releases:
49 Nights of Cabiria (only in Fellini Mega set)
81 Variety Lights (only in Fellini Mega set)
102 The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie
143 That Obscure Object of Desire
189 The White Sheik (only in Fellini Mega set)
205 Lola
290 The Phantom of Liberty
385 Army of Shadows
421 Pierrot le Fou
Criterion Rumored to have
58 Peeping Tom
67 The Blood of a Poet
69 Testament of Orpheus
106 Coup De Torchon
117 Diary of a Chambermaid
129 Le Trou
218 Le Cercle Rouge
222 Diary of a Country Priest
227 Le Corbeau
317 The Tales of Hoffmann
318 Forbidden Games
441 The Small Back Room
Lionsgate retained:
64 The Third Man
Lionsgate rumored to retain:
316 Ran
2020/21 SC deal rumored previously off-limits titles now licensed to criterion:
1 Grand Illusion
171 Contempt
304 The Man Who Fell To Earth
no info?:
238 A Woman Is a Woman
424 Mafioso
Kino releases:
25 Alphaville
121 Billy Liar
150 Bob Le Flambeur
193 Quai des Orfèvres
245 Port of Shadows
271 Touchez Pas Au Grisbi
325 Kind Hearts and Coronets
357 The Fallen Idol
402 The Milky Way
447 Le doulos
478 Last Year At Marienbad
572 Léon Morin, Priest
Essential Art House titles, criterion rumored to have
Gervaise
Le Jour se Leve
Essential Art House titles, no info
Mayerling
The Last Holiday
unreleased potential licenses from Studio Canal
The Card
The Trial
The Crime of Monsieur Lange
The Four Musketeers
The Servant
The Three Musketeers
20/07/15 update: moved PIerrot le Fou to the re-release section
20/07/15 updated list based on the "getharrypalmer' info down thread
20/10/15 updated: moved three Buneles to re-release section
21/01/15 updated: moved Fellinis to re-release section, with notation, made new section base on possible new SC licenses
Criterion re-releases:
49 Nights of Cabiria (only in Fellini Mega set)
81 Variety Lights (only in Fellini Mega set)
102 The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie
143 That Obscure Object of Desire
189 The White Sheik (only in Fellini Mega set)
205 Lola
290 The Phantom of Liberty
385 Army of Shadows
421 Pierrot le Fou
Criterion Rumored to have
58 Peeping Tom
67 The Blood of a Poet
69 Testament of Orpheus
106 Coup De Torchon
117 Diary of a Chambermaid
129 Le Trou
218 Le Cercle Rouge
222 Diary of a Country Priest
227 Le Corbeau
317 The Tales of Hoffmann
318 Forbidden Games
441 The Small Back Room
Lionsgate retained:
64 The Third Man
Lionsgate rumored to retain:
316 Ran
2020/21 SC deal rumored previously off-limits titles now licensed to criterion:
1 Grand Illusion
171 Contempt
304 The Man Who Fell To Earth
no info?:
238 A Woman Is a Woman
424 Mafioso
Kino releases:
25 Alphaville
121 Billy Liar
150 Bob Le Flambeur
193 Quai des Orfèvres
245 Port of Shadows
271 Touchez Pas Au Grisbi
325 Kind Hearts and Coronets
357 The Fallen Idol
402 The Milky Way
447 Le doulos
478 Last Year At Marienbad
572 Léon Morin, Priest
Essential Art House titles, criterion rumored to have
Gervaise
Le Jour se Leve
Essential Art House titles, no info
Mayerling
The Last Holiday
unreleased potential licenses from Studio Canal
The Card
The Trial
The Crime of Monsieur Lange
The Four Musketeers
The Servant
The Three Musketeers
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I believe The Man who Fell to Earth could be staying with Lionsgate as well. Other than that it looks accurate.
I would add Welles’ The Trial to the list as a potential Criterion release. Kino Insider said they asked for it but was told it was going to someone else, which would suggest Criterion as a strong contender for the release
I would add Welles’ The Trial to the list as a potential Criterion release. Kino Insider said they asked for it but was told it was going to someone else, which would suggest Criterion as a strong contender for the release
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Last Holiday also played on the channel with a Criterion logo. I would think all the StudioCanal titles in the Essential Arthouse boxes (Gervaise, Litvak's version of Mayerling, Last Holiday and Le Jour Se Leve) would be good candidates to return as stand alone releases.
If we're adding unreleased titles like the Trial, I would also add The Card, which was playing on the Criterion Channel with a Criterion logo. I remember a Criterion tribute to Neame upon his death mentioned he had recorded an interview for it before his death, but then StudioCanal yanked the licenses.
If we're adding unreleased titles like the Trial, I would also add The Card, which was playing on the Criterion Channel with a Criterion logo. I remember a Criterion tribute to Neame upon his death mentioned he had recorded an interview for it before his death, but then StudioCanal yanked the licenses.