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Re: Marriage Story (Noah Baumbach, 2019)

#26 Post by knives » Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:50 pm

You might do with going back in time. I haven't really liked any of the post Greenberg films I've seen, but I maintain that his normally released work from than and before is impeachable.

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Re: Marriage Story (Noah Baumbach, 2019)

#27 Post by furbicide » Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:57 pm

I've seen nearly everything, and feel a bit mixed about the early stuff – I did like Margot at the Wedding but didn't find it particularly memorable, and Kicking and Screaming felt fine as a first film but nowhere near on par with his best stuff (I think the only two Baumbach features I haven't seen so far are Highball and Mr Jealousy, which are apparently pretty minor/forgettable works anyway). After Frances Ha I felt like he'd hit his peak and could now do no wrong, but in hindsight it seems more and more like an outlier.

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Re: Marriage Story (Noah Baumbach, 2019)

#28 Post by therewillbeblus » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:13 pm

Mr. Jealousy feels more like the outlier in his filmography if anything is (until now). The neuroses is still there, but it’s a pretty go-for-broke straight comedy with less ennui and more twisted situational gags as characters dig themselves into absurd circumstances due to their own unapologetically selfish drives. One of his more underrated works.

I’m with knives that everything through Greenberg is superior overall to the last decade (can we call it his pre-Gerwig phase, even though she’s in that film? After all he did write it with his former wife, and began writing with Greta following...) but I still enjoy the micro-focused comedies a lot, and thought The Meyerowitz Stories was a return to form of those earlier more complicated and expansive mezzo-systemic works. Marriage Story may be his most extreme outlier though, and I suspect his fans to come down on all sides of it as a result.

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Re: Marriage Story (Noah Baumbach, 2019)

#29 Post by ianthemovie » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:45 am

I'm fascinated that among Baumbach's fans (among which I'd count myself) there is so much division and disagreement about what constitutes his best films. I'd argue that this, Frances Ha, and Squid and the Whale are his best movies because the tone and pacing of them seems the most even, followed by While We're Young/Mistress America/Meyerowitz, with Greenberg, Margot, and Kicking and Screaming at the bottom. (Haven't seen Highball or Mr. Jealousy.) Even if you run hot and cold on him, love some of his films and dislike others, etc. I would say that Marriage Story is still essential viewing.

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Re: Marriage Story (Noah Baumbach, 2019)

#30 Post by domino harvey » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:49 am

You know we’re gonna do this now

Kicking and Screaming
Margot at the Wedding
While We’re Young
Greenberg
Mr Jealousy
the Meyerowitz Stories
the Squid and the Whale
Mistress America
Conrad and Butler Take a Vacation
Frances Ha
Highball

Haven’t seen: De Palma, Marriage Story

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Re: Marriage Story (Noah Baumbach, 2019)

#31 Post by therewillbeblus » Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:21 am

Ugh a ranking seems near-impossible. Having said that:

Margot at the Wedding
Greenberg
The Meyerowitz Stories
Mr Jealousy
The Squid and the Whale
Kicking and Screaming
Frances Ha
Mistress America
Marriage Story
While We’re Young

Haven’t seen the rest. Let it be noted that I really like While We’re Young, so the bottom is not indicative of anything other than the top being so great.
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Re: Marriage Story (Noah Baumbach, 2019)

#32 Post by The Narrator Returns » Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:24 am

With only Marriage Story left...

Mistress America
Frances Ha
Margot at the Wedding
The Squid and the Whale
The Meyerowitz Stories
Greenberg
Kicking and Screaming
De Palma
Mr. Jealousy
Highball
While We're Young (Young is objectively a better movie than Highball but I have to account for how much Highball makes me laugh)
Conrad and Butler Take a Vacation

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Marriage Story (Noah Baumbach, 2019)

#33 Post by nitin » Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:47 am

Out of the ones I have seen:

Frances Ha
The Squid and the Whale
Mistress America
Marriage Story
Margot at the Wedding
Greenberg
While We’re Young

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Re: Marriage Story (Noah Baumbach, 2019)

#34 Post by mfunk9786 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:49 am

All I know is that While We're Young is the worst one and that it's time for DarkImbecile to make a Baumbach thread

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Re: Marriage Story (Noah Baumbach, 2019)

#35 Post by Foam » Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:12 am

Frances Ha
Mistress America
The Meyerowitz Stories
Greenberg
Margot at the Wedding
Kicking and Screaming
The Squid and the Whale
De Palma
While We're Young

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Re: Marriage Story (Noah Baumbach, 2019)

#36 Post by DarkImbecile » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:19 pm

mfunk9786 wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:49 am
All I know is that While We're Young is the worst one and that it's time for DarkImbecile to make a Baumbach thread
I'm on it!

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Re: Noah Baumbach

#37 Post by hearthesilence » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:47 pm

From what I've seen (and FWIW I've hated none of them):

The Squid and the Whale
Kicking and Screaming
Marriage Story
The Meyerowitz Stories
Frances Ha
Margot at the Wedding
Greenberg
Mistress America

[updated to include Marriage Story]
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Re: Noah Baumbach

#38 Post by knives » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:55 pm

Blus has mine, though I haven't seen the Netflix movies, though I'd put Frances Ha dead last. The only thing connected to him I find no merit in.

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Re: Noah Baumbach

#39 Post by therewillbeblus » Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:59 pm

In a self-imposed quest to be a completist I finally sought out Highball and while it’s not very good, with some brutal acting (who the hell gave Christopher Reed a job) and awkward attempts at gags, there are enough small ideas and talented comedians to let more than a few inevitably land. My favorite line came early: “I just want to get my face changed,” delivered nonchalantly as if it’s a new haircut, and the way Bogdanovich struggles to de-suave himself in resorting to impressions as his only skill at social engagement was amusing, especially since he avoids what could only be a depressing sight to fit in with these juvenile imbeciles. Unfortunately far more lines fail, with something like, “he’s as gay as a heart attack” going for broke and deflating with shame. Carlos Jacott gets in some good moments at the end just by effortlessly flexing his own range, and as someone who thinks Chris Eigeman is perhaps the strongest comedic actor of the Gen X peak, there’s a filmography I’m more committed to completing and yet approaching with extreme trepidation..

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Re: Noah Baumbach

#40 Post by albucat » Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:12 pm

I'm pretty enamored of Highball and wish it had been really finished. It's a mess, but there are so many good ideas it's far more entertaining to me than 95% of polished features.

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Re: Noah Baumbach

#41 Post by domino harvey » Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:50 pm

therewillbeblus wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:59 pm
[...] as someone who thinks Chris Eigeman is perhaps the strongest comedic actor of the Gen X peak, there’s a filmography I’m more committed to completing and yet approaching with extreme trepidation..
One thing I do remember about the otherwise negligible Eigeman deep cut the Treatment is the wonderful moment wherein a character sincerely does a stupid romantic comedy plot thing and instead of following it through they just stop, apologize, and tell the truth

Much more enjoyable is his directorial debut, Turn the River, wherein Terry Kinney from Oz delivers one of the best/most quotable lines ever about how much pool sucks

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