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Re: Festival Circuit 2018

#151 Post by knives » Thu May 17, 2018 4:43 pm

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knives wrote:I have to admit I don't understand this assumption that religious Jews watch movies?
The synagogues bring their members for a special trip to the movies by watching something that's reflective of their theology.
As Fraublucher said they definitely don't. Maybe a few stray weirdos would protest it, but otherwise I wouldn't be surprised if they simply didn't know it existed. Some of these people, mostly the Burrow Park sort than the Williamsburg sort, are basically Amish when it comes to film with even nature films being considered a waste of time and potentially inappropriate. The hipsters that live with them might be attracted to smugly watch though.

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#152 Post by Cremildo » Thu May 17, 2018 4:56 pm

Nadine Labaki's Capernaum is getting some best-of-the-festival notices on Twitter and being hailed as a strong Palme d'Or contender, although two or three criticize its sentimental third act. A 15-minute standing ovation was reported.

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#153 Post by The Fanciful Norwegian » Thu May 17, 2018 5:21 pm

Ribs wrote:I do not believe in any scenario in which this movie released by any distributor makes $15 million domestic, just because by virtue of it being a foreign language film it won't go into wide release. The goal is probably for like $5 million, but I can also imagine a path for this movie where American audiences just don't want to go see the weird sex thing and it makes less than $2 million and doesn't expand beyond 150 screens.
Just to put things into context, $15 million would make it the highest-grossing non-Indian foreign-language release since Instructions Not Included in 2013, and $5 million would put it roughly even with the most successful such release of 2017 (Your Name). I can't imagine $15m even if A24 were crazy enough to give it a wide release, given how The Grandmaster ($6.6m) and The Raid 2 ($2.6m) fared on over 800 screens.

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#154 Post by Omensetter » Thu May 17, 2018 5:30 pm

I would say more than two or three, although I've been skeptical from the start upon reading its synopsis, that it's from Labaki, The Kid comparisons, and everyone tripping over each other to pick it up. I'm sure there's much to recommend in it---I haven't seen it after all---but I really don't trust it to not be needlessly maudlin. It seems a nice consensus and might recency effect its way to the Palme, but it seems the jury can do better with this apparently great edition of Cannes. Again, I obviously haven't seen it, but the thing screams Friendly Foreign.

In other news, even though it's just a handful of critics, Burning topped Toni Erdmann's ScreenGrid record at 3.8.

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#155 Post by hearthesilence » Thu May 17, 2018 5:37 pm

Poetry topped my top ten list for that year, but I hadn't followed Lee's career since then, so I was quite surprised that not only was Burning his first film in all that time but that he had actually been blacklisted by the same disgusting administration whose president was convicted and imprisoned. (Apparently he and thousands of others were blacklisted because the minister of culture was told that film industry was moving too much to the left and needed to shift to the right.)

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#156 Post by Ribs » Thu May 17, 2018 6:39 pm

I'm so excited for this movie and am really hopeful it finds US distribution ASAP - hopefully through IFC or Kino like his last two and not SPC or something that might resign its eventual US release to the MOD state of the previous record-holder.

I'm a little bemused by how many movies are premiering to "instant favorite for Palme" reactions from here and elsewhere - in the several years I've really been paying any attention to the films playing I can't remember such a diverse group of generally well-liked films. However, Cannes since 2014 has thrown a bit of a curve ball each year with the Palme winners, so I really so no reason to make any predictions at all, as it's just as likely to end up being the Christopher Honore film then any of the things that seem to have gotten a bit more attention. Which is totally fine - the point of the prize isn't to be a consensus favorite, and if it goes to something weird it could result in something getting distribution that wouldn't otherwise.

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#157 Post by Omensetter » Thu May 17, 2018 7:09 pm

2016 was really the only outlier. 2015 still gave two of the three top prizes to Competition's most acclaimed (Assassin, Son of Saul) and there seemed to be some sort of a dispute between Dolan and the Coens over Carol, perhaps resulting in Dheepan. There wasn't much enthusiasm at that post-awards press conference. Last year, You Were Never Really Here picked up two prizes, BPM snagged the Grand Prix, and The Square was near-the-top of best received.

But yeah, they could just as easily go all-in on Dogman.

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#158 Post by DarkImbecile » Thu May 17, 2018 7:25 pm

Omensetter wrote:2016 was really the only outlier... there seemed to be some sort of a dispute between Dolan and the Coens over Carol, perhaps resulting in Dheepan. There wasn't much enthusiasm at that post-awards press conference.
At that press conference, one of many reasons I've grown fond of Jake Gylenhaal in recent years:
Todd Haynes’s Carol, widely tipped for big prizes, had to make do with a shared Best Actress for Rooney Mara – the explanation being that Dolan had far less time for it than anyone else, and may have resorted to some toys-out-of-pram tactics to block it from higher consideration... The jury also got a final dig in. When Dolan said, “I somehow feel like a better person” towards the end of the jury press conference, Gyllenhaal was simply heard to mutter, “You’re not.”

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#159 Post by mfunk9786 » Thu May 17, 2018 8:14 pm

I thought that quote had been attributed to Ethan Coen?

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#160 Post by FrauBlucher » Thu May 17, 2018 8:29 pm

knives wrote:As Fraublucher said they definitely don't. Maybe a few stray weirdos would protest it, but otherwise I wouldn't be surprised if they simply didn't know it existed. Some of these people, mostly the Burrow Park sort than the Williamsburg sort, are basically Amish when it comes to film with even nature films being considered a waste of time and potentially inappropriate. The hipsters that live with them might be attracted to smugly watch though.
Burrough Park was the neighborhood I referred to in my earlier post. That neighborhood borders with Bensonhurst. I pretty much lived on the street that divides the two. It was very interesting with a big Italian American population and Hasidim population intermingling and not always in a get along way.

I just watched the trailer to Menashe. It will be interesting to see what kind of response it gets from it's community. The following is a Q&A with Joshua Weinstein and the lead principals. This will give you a little insight into that world.

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#161 Post by hearthesilence » Thu May 17, 2018 8:50 pm

mfunk9786 wrote:I thought that quote had been attributed to Ethan Coen?
It was indeed Coen.

Dolan is a talentless shit, and yet Cannes insists on inflicting him on us year after year.

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#162 Post by domino harvey » Thu May 17, 2018 8:51 pm

I was researching the Cesars the other day and was surprised how much they loved Dolan too. Maybe it's just a French thing

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#163 Post by Omensetter » Thu May 17, 2018 9:03 pm

mfunk9786 wrote:I thought that quote had been attributed to Ethan Coen?
I thought the same thing too, and may have disseminated that information on this forum. The article says Gyllenhaal, though, and this tweet from the same time period places Gyllenhaall as the speaker: https://twitter.com/watchcowboyfilm/sta ... 05?lang=en.

More conclusively, here's the actual video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUu62UlGOvw&t=1410s

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It's always nice to have a three-year old memory corrected. I even linked to DarkImbecile's article in the Dheepan thread upon its Criterion announcement.
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This Labaki is starting to get slammed. It might well prove the most divisive of the festival. I suppose this is what happens when the follow-up to a TIFF's Audience Award winner plays Cannes. Like, it's getting slammed by some more mainstream critics from outlets like Indiewire that I don't bother with unless I'm trying to get a sense of a film that I won't see for months. I suppose we'll see later tonight or anytime now?

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#164 Post by furbicide » Fri May 18, 2018 1:34 am

Having watched that now, I'm not actually sure that comment was meant as anything other than a playful dig – there certainly didn't look to be any malice intended.

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#165 Post by tenia » Fri May 18, 2018 3:54 am

domino harvey wrote:I was researching the Cesars the other day and was surprised how much they loved Dolan too. Maybe it's just a French thing
Believe me, many of us would like this to stop.

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#166 Post by Lost Highway » Fri May 18, 2018 4:23 am

Dead or Deader wrote:
knives wrote:I have to admit I don't understand this assumption that religious Jews watch movies?
The synagogues bring their members for a special trip to the movies by watching something that's reflective of their theology.
Not sure there are a lot of movies catering to that market.

In the 90s I lived Stamford Hill, a part of London largely populated by Orthodox Jews. There often were boys with sidelocks hanging out at the local video store, watching the movies which were playing on monitors there. I once asked a couple of them why and they said they didn’t have a television at home and they weren’t allowed to go to the cinema. Like any teenagers they were rebelling in little ways. I once found a group of boys outside my door where they weren’t seen by their family, with a boombox listening to hip hop, smoking.

It wasn’t just the kids though, I found that extreme repression resulted in a lot of transgressive acts by adult men. Gay cruising, exibitionism (one older man regularly used to expose himself to non-orthodox women on public transport) I saw it all. The community even had its own transvestite in orthodox female garb, who used to clump around late at night, trying to flirt with men and speaking in a falsetto voice.

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#167 Post by Omensetter » Fri May 18, 2018 6:37 am

furbicide wrote:Having watched that now, I'm not actually sure that comment was meant as anything other than a playful dig – there certainly didn't look to be any malice intended.
Yeah, when I initially watched it, Gyllenhaal came off as more endearing. At first, his doggedness to get his quip in seemed a gesture belying a deeper rift that can easily occur in these high-stakes subjective deliberations, but there's no reason for me (and the media) to project maliciousness when there's no evidence of it. In the clip, Gyllenhaal ensured that Dolan saw him grinning, which really just seems to indicate that Gylenhaal wanted to ensure that Dolan knew he wasn't coming after him. It's probably time to retire that Cannestroversy and admit that it stems from scorned Carol fans and Dolan detractors like myself. Gyllenhaal is, after all, starring in Audiard's latest film.

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#168 Post by Ribs » Fri May 18, 2018 10:46 am

Magnolia has bought Shoplifters for the US.

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#169 Post by DarkImbecile » Fri May 18, 2018 10:49 am

Ribs wrote:lol Magnolia bought Shoplifters
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#170 Post by Michael Kerpan » Fri May 18, 2018 3:28 pm

Glad to see both Burning and Shoplifters (my most-wanted-to-be-able-to-see- as-soon-as-possible films at the festival) are getting pretty uniformly positive reviews. ;-)

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#171 Post by Omensetter » Fri May 18, 2018 7:46 pm

UCR Award: Border by Ali Abbasi
UCR Jury Prize: The Dead and the Others by João Salaviza and Renée Nader Messora
UCR Award for Best Director: Sergei Loznitsa for Donbass
UCR Jury Award for Best Performance: Victor Polster for Girl
UCR for Best Screenplay: Meryem Benm'Barek-Aloïsi for Sofia

(Bi Gan will be fine.)

The Queer Palme went to Lukas Dhont's Girl.
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Capernaum, Knife + Heart, Ayka, and The Wild Pear Tree seemed to have been crammed in at the end, with the latter being three hours. Perhaps as a result, I don't really have a gauge on Ayka. Mixed, at least. The Wild Pear Tree is just plumb picking up raves to end up this festival of seemingly endless raves. Now, to see the films in a few months/years (still need to find a way to see A Gentle Creature and Sieranevada), if not longer if no one picks up the fifteen films currently unspoken for in competition, to say nothing of the other sidebars.

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#172 Post by Omensetter » Sat May 19, 2018 10:46 am

Predictions
Palme d'Or --- Alice Rohrwacher, Lazzaro felice
Grand Prix --- Pawel Pawlikowski, Cold War
Director --- Kirill Serebrennikov, Leto & Jafar Panahi, Three Faces
Screenplay --- Nadine Labaki, Capernaum
Actress --- Samal Yeslyamova, Ayka
Actor --- Marcello Fonte, Dogman
Jury --- Spike Lee, BlacKkKlansman

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#173 Post by Omensetter » Sat May 19, 2018 11:52 am

I think Hirokazu Kore-eda's supposed win something as well, but I'm too lazy to edit my post.

Lee Chang-dong and Lukas Dhont also won the FIPRESCI awards.
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I won't see it until its release in August, but I'm hearing rumors of a Spike Lee victory which I already strong disagree with based on the inclusion of some footage I won't spoil. I'll get over it if it happens obviously, but it's just what I'm hearing. I really think they should just give it to Rohrwacher. By all accounts, her film is Palme-worthy (whatever that means) and it'll put an end to the Campion statistic that is trotted out every year. Better her than Labaki, it would seem.

Apparently, Chang Chen really loved Jia's film. He's still young, but Jia might find himself in the list of great directors who debuted at Cannes and never won the Palme. Perhaps he'll abandon his tripartite structure next decade.

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#174 Post by DarkImbecile » Sat May 19, 2018 11:52 am

Predictions
Palme d'Or: Cold War, Pawlikowski
Grand Prix: Shoplifters, Kore-eda
Director: Rohrwacher, Lazzaro felice
Screenplay: Burning, Lee/Oh
Actress: Zhao Tao, Ash is the Purest White
Actor: Marcello Fonte, Dogman
Jury: BlacKkKlansman, Lee

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