Awards Season 2018

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Re: Awards Season 2018

#226 Post by Cremildo » Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:10 pm


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Re: Awards Season 2018

#227 Post by Matt » Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:06 pm

HJackson wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:38 am
The jokes were pretty grim and unfunny, but is the guy just not supposed to work now because of something he said back when Don't Ask Don't Tell was law and the progressive Democrat President was against gay marriage?
I know I'm walking right into a trap by replying to this post, but...

Kevin Hart can make all the movies and do all the stand-up comedy he wants. He's one of the few stars in Hollywood who can still be counted on to guarantee box office results. He can go on making a mint off the people who like his comedy. But should he be hosting what is commonly referred to as "the gay Superbowl?" Probably—no—definitely not. It doesn't matter a bit if his comments were made at a time of (slightly) more official governmental discrimination. They were just as hateful and violent then as they would be if he made them yesterday. He didn't disavow or apologize for them until they cost him a high-profile gig, which means he's not sorry for what he said, he's just sorry he lost a job because of it. And fuck Jimmy Kimmel, too, while we're at it.

As for some of the recent posters in this thread, I would congratulate you on being such fine, fine people who are above petty identity politics and calling people out on their bullshit, but you're already doing a bang-up job of it yourselves.

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Re: Awards Season 2018

#228 Post by Big Ben » Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:45 pm

Given the wide variety of responses I'm seeing from LGBTQ individuals online I don't think there was as "right" an answer was. The President of GLAAD openly stated that he didn't think Hart should have stepped down and could have used the moment for unity. The jokes were wrong and they will always BE wrong but Hollywood doesn't seem to be interested in the possibility that not everyone flew out of the womb woke as hell and that they might have in fact had some shitty views in their past and that they have evolved past them. The issue raised is that Hart could not have possibly said anything to dissuade people angry with him and that what the crow really wanted was a scalp. I do not think it is intellectually dishonest to acknowledge the awfulness of those tweets while simultaneously realizing that peoples views can evolve over time.

Being socially conscious is something that evolves over time and is not an end state that has no further progression.

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Re: Awards Season 2018

#229 Post by criterionoop » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:22 pm

Everyone - either in their past or in their present - has said/done something stupid. You just accept that these stupid things happen and learn from your mistakes. The issue with Kevin Hart was not so much that he said homophobic things (I have heard/been called a lot worse - also I'm gay and Mexican, so I get the double whammy of hearing both casual racism and casual homophobia). The issue was Hart's constant and consistent refusal to own up to this behavior and admit that it was bad, or even apologize for it.

Hart deleted the tweets because he wanted to be done with the matter, but the Instagram video he posted was a non-apology (he spoke of love and positivity, and said his critics were just living in negativity). On Thursday, he posted that he would not be apologizing, even though (he alleges) the Academy gave him an ultimatum to apologize or they would find a new host. Then a few hours later, Hart apologized, which was a complete 180 from his previous stance.

Regardless of his intentions, Hart came off looking so bad in this situation because he put so much effort into making everyone else the enemy (critics, the Academy), rather than just saying "I made mistakes in my past. I am learning from my behavior. I apologize."

I could care less if he hosts or doesn't host because I am watching the ceremony to see who ultimately wins the award. But this drama surrounding Hart could have subsided if Hart just acknowledged his behavior, apologized for it, and moved on. An apology wouldn't completely quell the backlash (in the age of social media, backlashes will occur regardless, and people will find a reason to hate someone), but it would have given Hart an ability to actually show that he is growing and learning from his mistakes.

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Re: Awards Season 2018

#230 Post by movielocke » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:28 pm

criterionoop wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:22 pm

Regardless of his intentions, Hart came off looking so bad in this situation because he put so much effort into making everyone else the enemy (critics, the Academy), rather than just saying "I made mistakes in my past. I am learning from my behavior. I apologize."
I'm pretty sure that's close to exactly what he did say.

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Re: Awards Season 2018

#231 Post by bearcuborg » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:00 pm

That’s not exactly what he said, that’s what he said after not apologizing in the first place. He also suggested that others who found fault with what he said were looking for reasons to be angry because they weren’t as happy as him...

In the end, some really stupid jokes that one would expect to hear on a kid’s playground were his undoing. This is no real loss, the Oscar world isn’t losing out on a major talent.
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Re: Awards Season 2018

#232 Post by Finch » Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:56 pm

FWIW, I'm gay and I feel that if he really wanted to evolve and be a more tolerant person he'd have apologised for the jokes in 2015, and not only after the backlash to his Oscars appointment. I get the sense he is only sorry about getting a public dressing down. His apology feels like damage limitation and little else to me. I've been at the receiving end of homophobic abuse which the likes of Kevin Hart helped to normalise with their "comedy" and if someone professes to wanting to evolve, then for me to find them credible I expect them to do it a lot sooner than after getting publicly called out for their shit. I'm not able to read Hart's mind (for which, frankly, I'm grateful!) but his reaction doesn't suggest to me a man who's got enough empathy and understanding to evolve.

If the Academy needs a presenter, get Maya Rudolph and Tiffany Haddish and cut the whole thing down to two hours tops.

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Re: Awards Season 2018

#233 Post by The Narrator Returns » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:52 pm

Yeah, a man whose first response to justified criticism is basically "don't kill my vibe, haters" does not strike me as someone who believes he has anything to apologize for. I might've given him the benefit of the doubt if he led with the actual apology, but I don't buy it at all coming after such a stubborn refusal to admit that he did wrong.

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Re: Awards Season 2018

#234 Post by swo17 » Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:50 am

Kevin Hart: I'm stepping down because I don't want to be a distraction

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Re: Awards Season 2018

#235 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:52 pm

I'm absolutely surprised they haven't made Ellen the next Carson or Crystal, she seems to be just the kind of fit for what everyone wants in a host now (not to mention as funny).

Mixed feelings on Kimmel. Yeah his pleas for sanity and some of his tributes to people who affected him like Letterman showed a human side, but anyone who Bill O'Reilly called "a friend of the show" is eternally suspect.

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Re: Awards Season 2018

#236 Post by Big Ben » Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:00 pm

Lena Waithe suggested Donald Glover. Why not at this point? Go balls out Academy.

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Re: Awards Season 2018

#237 Post by lacritfan » Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:54 pm

L.A. Film Critics Association

Picture: Roma
Director: Debra Granik, Leave No Trace
Actor: Ethan Hawke, First Reformed
Actress: Olivia Colman, The Favourite
Supporting Actor: Steven Yeun, Burning
Supporting Actress: Regina King, If Beale Street Could Talk
Screenplay: Nicole Holofcener and Jeff Whitty, Can You Ever Forgive Me?
Production Design: Hannah Beachler, Black Panther
Editing: Joshua Altman and Bing Liu, Minding the Gap
Cinematography: Alfonso Cuaron, Roma
Music/Score: Nicholas Britell, If Beale Street Could Talk
Foreign-language: Burning and Shoplifters (tie)
Documentary: Shirkers
Animation: Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse
New Generation: Chloe Zhao, The Rider
Special Citation: The Other Side of the Wind
Douglas Edwards Independent/Experimental Film: The Green Fog
Career Achievement Award: Hayao Miyazaki

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