The Dead Don't Die (Jim Jarmusch, 2019)

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Re: The Dead Don't Die (Jim Jarmusch, 2019)

#51 Post by Shrew » Wed May 15, 2019 10:31 am

A hipster, deadpan war movie focused in the small delights of life does sound very interesting indeed
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Re: The Dead Don't Die (Jim Jarmusch, 2019)

#52 Post by Lost Highway » Wed May 15, 2019 12:40 pm

tenia wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 4:14 am
I keep wondering why zombie movies HAVE to come with social or political subtexts or high concepts when it fail so often to live up to it. Why can't they simply be mindless horrific and/or funny entertainment ?
Most zombie movies don’t have an overt social or political subtext. My favourite zombie movie of the last few years, Train to Busan, is just an exciting genre exercise. Most of the zombie movies I mentioned earlier in the thread, aren’t terribly political.
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Re: The Dead Don't Die (Jim Jarmusch, 2019)

#53 Post by tenia » Wed May 15, 2019 1:14 pm

I should have phrased it differently and got lost in translation : I wonder why some are still trying to make zombie movies with subtexts while the utmost majority fail to live up.
I did like Busan, though it felt a bit overlong.

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Re: The Dead Don't Die (Jim Jarmusch, 2019)

#54 Post by Lost Highway » Wed May 15, 2019 1:19 pm

tenia wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 1:14 pm
I should have phrased it differently and got lost in translation : I wonder why some are still trying to make zombie movies with subtexts while the utmost majority fail to live up.
I did like Busan, though it felt a bit overlong.
From the trailer and reviews it looks like Jarmush has made the type of zombie movie a non-genre auteur not that well versed in the genre and possibly feeling above it would make. Jarmush made an overfamiliar looking zombie comedy, thinking because Romero’s zombie movies reflected something about the politics of their era, he had to make a trite satire on Trump’s America. Because of the way Romero’s influential films have been interpreted, its become a bit of a cliche to think that all zombie movies have a strong political subtext.

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Re: The Dead Don't Die (Jim Jarmusch, 2019)

#55 Post by kubelkind » Wed May 15, 2019 1:36 pm

Wonder if the "zombie-movies-with political-subtexts" genre starts not with Romero but with Jacques Tourneur's 1943 "I Walked With A Zombie", which can be easily read as a critique of colonialism. Looks like Bertrand Bonello's forthcoming "Zombi Child" may be more along those lines.

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Re: The Dead Don't Die (Jim Jarmusch, 2019)

#56 Post by Lost Highway » Wed May 15, 2019 1:56 pm

kubelkind wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 1:36 pm
Wonder if the "zombie-movies-with political-subtexts" genre starts not with Romero but with Jacques Tourneur's 1943 "I Walked With A Zombie", which can be easily read as a critique of colonialism. Looks like Bertrand Bonello's forthcoming "Zombi Child" may be more along those lines.
Beautiful as the film is, it wasn’t nearly as influential on the genre as the Romero films were (the Val Lewton approach in general was). The Romero zombie as a brain dead, man eating ghoul in whose wake comes the apocalypse is a distinctly different monster from the far more benign zombies of Haitian folklore which populated the screen before.

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Re: The Dead Don't Die (Jim Jarmusch, 2019)

#57 Post by BenoitRouilly » Wed May 15, 2019 3:12 pm

swo17 wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 6:20 pm
domino harvey wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 6:09 pm
an asshole farmer (Steve Buscemi sporting a “Make America White Again” hat
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This description from the other review makes that sound a little better:
At the diner, Steve Buscemi shows up as a farmer in a cap that reads “Keep America White Again,” and the fact that he’s buddies with the guy seated next to him at the counter, played by Danny Glover, is one of Jarmusch’s feel-good corkscrew liberal jokes.
The scene continues, Buscemi when offered more coffee says "it's too black for me."
silence. He looks over at Glover and says "I meant this coffee is too strong for me", and leaves.
Glover says "take care Frank [Buscemi]"

I'm not a fan of the zombie genre. But this one is definitely an ironic zombie movie, full of references and attention drawn to its making...
I didn't understand why a reporter asked at the press conference whether Bill Murray read all the script. It is in fact a joke pulled from the film itself.

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Re: The Dead Don't Die (Jim Jarmusch, 2019)

#58 Post by Finch » Wed May 15, 2019 6:15 pm

AA Dowd of the AV Club gives it a C.

For someone of Jarmusch's calibre, this is a dud. Fingers crossed he rebounds with the next one.

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Re: The Dead Don't Die (Jim Jarmusch, 2019)

#59 Post by solaris72 » Thu May 16, 2019 11:32 am

kubelkind wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 1:36 pm
Wonder if the "zombie-movies-with political-subtexts" genre starts not with Romero but with Jacques Tourneur's 1943 "I Walked With A Zombie", which can be easily read as a critique of colonialism. Looks like Bertrand Bonello's forthcoming "Zombi Child" may be more along those lines.
Tourneur's definitely qualifies, as does The Last Man on Earth if it counts (in any event, Romero cited it as an inspiration). One could even go as far back as Gance's J'Accuse (though the rising of the dead happens in a vision there).
Lost Highway wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 1:56 pm
Beautiful as the film is, it wasn’t nearly as influential on the genre as the Romero films were (the Val Lewton approach in general was). The Romero zombie as a brain dead, man eating ghoul in whose wake comes the apocalypse is a distinctly different monster from the far more benign zombies of Haitian folklore which populated the screen before.
True, if we're strictly tracking influence, nothing beats Romero's.

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Re: The Dead Don't Die (Jim Jarmusch, 2019)

#60 Post by kubelkind » Thu May 16, 2019 1:05 pm

Yeah, I wasn't really thinking of influence or popularity, just the genesis of the idea of the zombie picture as a political allegory. Its been many years since I saw Night Of The Living Dead (which is something I need to rectify soon 'cos its great) but would I be correct in remembering that the word "zombie" is never mentioned in it?

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Re: The Dead Don't Die (Jim Jarmusch, 2019)

#61 Post by knives » Thu May 16, 2019 1:06 pm

Correct. For Romero I believe it was only ever mentioned in Dawn.

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Re: The Dead Don't Die (Jim Jarmusch, 2019)

#62 Post by Murdoch » Fri May 17, 2019 9:24 pm

Shrew wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 10:31 am
A hipster, deadpan war movie focused in the small delights of life does sound very interesting indeed
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Not to go off-topic but I really miss Hark! A Vagrant


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