Stop (Bill Gunn, 1970)

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Re: Stop (Bill Gunn, 1970)

#26 Post by Dentists » Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:11 pm

Warner Bros told me why STOP is in limbo:
"The reason we cannot release the film is that we have no documentation regarding the music in the film as to what it is, who are the artists performing, were publishing licenses acquired or not, etc.
This is mostly in relationship to street music heard in the distant background of the film during interior scenes.
Unfortunately, company files that would normally cover such information are nowhere to be found."

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Re: Stop (Bill Gunn, 1970)

#27 Post by whaleallright » Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:07 pm

A smaller company might go ahead and release it anyway, with a promise to keep royalties for the musicians in escrow (similar things have been done before with both films and records) but the Time Warner lawyers are likely inclined to be overcautious.
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Re: Stop (Bill Gunn, 1970)

#28 Post by Dylan » Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:25 pm

Dentists wrote:Warner Bros told me why STOP is in limbo:
"The reason we cannot release the film is that we have no documentation regarding the music in the film as to what it is, who are the artists performing, were publishing licenses acquired or not, etc. This is mostly in relationship to street music heard in the distant background of the film during interior scenes. Unfortunately, company files that would normally cover such information are nowhere to be found."
Interesting that they've revealed what sort of documentation is missing. If it's mostly an issue with unknown diegetic "street music," my first thought is that the restoration team can replace the music with something suitable from the period that they can properly license (WB probably already own a wealth of library music from the 1960s and 1970s that might fit the scenes). But I have to imagine this option has already been discussed at WB and that for whatever reason this approach is impossible to achieve with the audio they have to work with, or they're holding out on a potential release with an altered soundtrack because they haven't exhausted their resources yet in regards to locating the missing documentation.

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Re: Stop (Bill Gunn, 1970)

#29 Post by Dentists » Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:44 pm

Well I told WB that the score was done by Fred Myrow and that I could put them in contact with Mr. Myrow’s family/daughter (he passed away in 1999) but they said it wasn’t the score- but more specifically related to just random groups/bands heard in the background.

They had a meeting where a group of suits sat in and watched the film to determine if they could name the groups but no one could.

WB said they WANT to release ‘STOP!’ and was asking for any help fans could get.

The family of Fred Myrow told me to contact/visit the USC Music library in Los Angeles- I’m unfamiliar with this and not sure where to begin.

The film is over 48 years old so who knows where/if paper work exists.

WB said the print they have is in great condition and can be remastered so they’re just at a standstill with the copyright.

I’m not sure if people can reach out to Ry Cooder (Paris, Texas) who played on the score to ‘STOP!’ to see if he remembers???

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Re: Stop (Bill Gunn, 1970)

#30 Post by kubelkind » Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:33 am

Did anyone think of playing the unidentifiable music into Shazam?

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Re: Stop (Bill Gunn, 1970)

#31 Post by Dentists » Fri May 25, 2018 9:04 pm

Hmm Shazam may not help...
I’ve seen the film and I just don’t see how it’s possible or why it’s even a big deal to find the Music stuff...
It’s a great film - weird & beautiful.
I’m not so sure there’s a huge market for it - maybe that’s the true issue?

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Re: Stop (Bill Gunn, 1970)

#32 Post by kubelkind » Sat May 26, 2018 10:32 am

Well, I'd really like to see it of course and I'm sure there'll be others. Lost work by an important and neglected African-American film-maker, an influence on Spike Lee, Ganja & Hess seems pretty popular etc. Maybe not a HUGE market, but enough to make a DVD release worthwhile surely.
Some theories as to the reasons for the film's continued unavailabilty have cropped up on Letterboxd recently, could be some truth in it, who knows - https://letterboxd.com/beamish13/film/stop-1970/

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Re: Stop (Bill Gunn, 1970)

#33 Post by Dentists » Tue Jun 26, 2018 9:20 pm

I have a very long & extremely polite, courteous email from the VP of WB that I may share someday here regarding the release of Stop.
It’s a difficult subject though...there are several cuts, people/crew upset with certain people even after 48 years, and maybe even appropriated/hijacked “stuff” use your imagination.
I hope it will someday be released because it is fantastic.

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Re: Stop (Bill Gunn, 1970)

#34 Post by kubelkind » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:09 am

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