1054 Parasite

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Re: Forthcoming: Parasite & Memories of Murder

#276 Post by zedz » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:15 pm

willoneill wrote:
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I prefer the B&W version of The Mist, and I understand that's how Darabont would have released it had he been able to (i.e. the B&W is the "director's intended cut"). In particular, I think the B&W hides some of the flawed CGI in the creatures, and it also makes the ending seem more haunting.

But, to play devil's advocate, you could argue that de-colorizing a film isn't really different than colorizing one, and most cinephiles were pretty firmly against that little Ted Turner experiment.
But the big difference with all the examples cited is that in each case it was the director calling the shots, for what they assert were strong aesthetic reasons.

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Re: Forthcoming: Parasite & Memories of Murder

#277 Post by Scottie_Ferguson » Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:08 pm

But the big difference with all the examples cited is that in each case it was the director calling the shots, for what they assert were strong aesthetic reasons.
From what understand, Bong Joon Ho really sees the B&W version as perhaps his preferred. Apparently, he went to some length pre-production to make sure the colors used in the film would translate correctly in B&W. Commercial concerns would obviously dictate you need to produce a film in color but perhaps the artist in Bong Joon Ho yearns for another aesthetic. This is why that B&W version would be a great supplement. It's not the afterthought of some producer to pad a DVD.

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Re: Forthcoming: Parasite & Memories of Murder

#278 Post by Red Screamer » Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:09 pm

The B&W version looked murky and bland to me, like most digital/conversion B&W.


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Re: 1054 (&???) Parasite & Memories of Murder

#280 Post by therewillbeblus » Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:45 pm

I'll be picking this one up for the Bong commentary alone

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Re: 1054 Parasite

#281 Post by chatterjees » Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:08 pm

Can you have Dolby Atmos soundtrack on the Blu-ray? I thought it's a UHD feature only.

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Re: 1054 Parasite

#282 Post by cowboydan » Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:16 pm

chatterjees wrote:
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Can you have Dolby Atmos soundtrack on the Blu-ray? I thought it's a UHD feature only.
Yes you can. UHD uses BD discs. It's the same technology, same specs. If you wanted to put a 4k UHD presentation on a BD-25, you could. But it would need to be short or extremely compressed.

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Re: 1054 Parasite

#283 Post by mfunk9786 » Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:17 pm

cowboydan wrote:
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extremely compressed.
Criterion: "we can do that!"

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Re: 1054 Parasite

#284 Post by dwk » Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:28 pm

chatterjees wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:08 pm
Can you have Dolby Atmos soundtrack on the Blu-ray? I thought it's a UHD feature only.
I think Criterion's Roma Blu-ray has an Atmos track.

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#285 Post by cdnchris » Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:08 pm

Roma does, and it's pretty great!

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Re: 1054 Parasite

#286 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:00 pm

A few music surround titles use Atmos. Off the top of my head the recent Abbey Road box set has one and the new Stones box set will feature an Atmos mix of Goats Head Soup.

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Re: 1054 Parasite

#287 Post by PfR73 » Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:27 pm

It's not all that uncommon for recent movies on Blu-ray have Atmos tracks. Some examples that I personally own: 10 Cloverfield Lane, Star Trek Beyond, Sully, La La Land, Sicario, The Lego Batman Movie, several seasons of Game of Thrones.

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Re: 1054 Parasite

#288 Post by HitchcockLang » Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:55 pm

I’ve never watched a post-release B&W version of a film (I know there have been a handful recently) but I suppose there’s a noticeable benefit to extra space on a disc for a dedicated and properly color timed B&W version vs just watching the regular version with the color setting on your TV turned all the way down?

I remember my Dad renting old Elvis movies from Blockbuster that had been colorized much to his dismay so he just turned the color all the way down on the TV and was satisfied with the result.

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Re: 1054 Parasite

#289 Post by nitin » Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:41 am

edit: missed the 2 disc specification. NM

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Re: 1054 Parasite

#290 Post by nissling » Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:05 am

HitchcockLang wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:55 pm
I’ve never watched a post-release B&W version of a film (I know there have been a handful recently) but I suppose there’s a noticeable benefit to extra space on a disc for a dedicated and properly color timed B&W version vs just watching the regular version with the color setting on your TV turned all the way down?
The monochrome version have probably gone through a specific, unique scene by scene grade which cannot be replicated by just reducing chroma. There are plenty of ways to convert color to black and white, all with varying results.

I know that Jan Troell have recommended people to watch Flight of the Eagle with saturation turned down to zero, as he originally wanted to make the film in b/w. Some duplicate tests on monochrome film were made which he said looked phenomenal but the budget simply didn't allow it.


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Re: 1054 Parasite

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Re: 1054 Parasite

#293 Post by Der Spieler » Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:06 pm

I think he edited the review but in his initial version he kept calling the director Ho instead of Bong. I think he forgot to edit one too. ;)

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Re: 1054 Parasite

#294 Post by EddieLarkin » Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:02 am

A good comparison here showing what SDR takes away from the image. This is the sort of difference that is not noticeable when comparing caps the usual way, like Beaver and caps-a-holic do.

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Re: 1054 Parasite

#295 Post by The Pachyderminator » Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:03 pm

Surely a comparison of a 4k disc vs. a 1080p stream isn't very meaningful (as someone on blu-ray.com points out)?

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Re: 1054 Parasite

#296 Post by tenia » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:48 am

It does make sense. Providing the stream is stable and we know what is behind it, there is still a video file with certain tech specs uphill, which can be compared to whatever you want to compare it with.

I'm more bothered by comparisons performed through taking pictures of your TV, which pile layers of additionnal variables : were the pictures taken in HDR ? Were they taken always in the exact same way ? Is the spot chosen the right one to accurately reflect what's on the screen ? Was the screen calibrated ? Does it properly do HDR ?
It could be SDR pictures, poorly taken, and I have no idea what we're seeing here except it's different for either one or combination of the reasons above.
And of course, we're watching this on SDR screens, mostly.

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Re: 1054 Parasite

#297 Post by EddieLarkin » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:31 am

The Pachyderminator wrote:
Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:03 pm
Surely a comparison of a 4k disc vs. a 1080p stream isn't very meaningful (as someone on blu-ray.com points out)?
Perfectly meaningful if all wants to compare is dynamic range. This isn't going to change between 1080p stream and 1080p disc.

As for using camera shots, as tenia says it is of course not a good way to make accurate comparisons, not to mention the viewing of the resulting pictures obviously still being SDR, but it is a perfectly reasonable way to demonstrate a quick idea of the differences in dynamic range.

It is a much more worthwhile form of comparison than DVDBeaver style screenshots, especially if the master used between a UHD and BD is the same. In such cases screenshots are going to look incredibly close, whilst many such UHDs are actually a huge improvement over BD once you consider the aspects that screenshotting cannot show.

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Re: 1054 Parasite

#298 Post by tenia » Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:34 am

The only proper comparisons based on "regular" screenshots (in opposition to photos) I've seen are either on DVD Classik where multiple conversions are shown to try and demonstrate the various nuances (here on Die Hard or Christine) or the heat map system like here).

But indeed, those camera shots are always better than "basic" SDR-converted unique screenshots like on caps-a-holic or Beaver, because they won't allow to show anything dynamic-wise and will basically flatten things out in one way or another. Which is a shame, considering HDR and WCG are the main upgrade elements on UHD.

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Re: 1054 Parasite

#299 Post by manicsounds » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:42 am

Blu-ray.com
"I did not like it at all."
Yet he gives it 3 stars...

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Re: 1054 Parasite

#300 Post by tenia » Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:31 pm

Well, I guess Criterion's Portrait of a Lady on Fire won't be reviewed on blu-ray.com for quite some time...

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