Ah, got it. That would look like this:ianthemovie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:43 pmI was hoping to do the opposite: move some of the discs to a plastic Blu-ray case and put that inside the Criterion slipcase alongside the booklet.
Thanks, it did! The nuance is that luminance expressed in nits doesn't account yet for the human perception of brightness (i.e. twice as much visible radiation power isn't going to "look" twice as bright to us). Hence another quantity, perceived brightness, is used. The relation between those is a transfer function that is logarithmic (see the first curve here for instance). So how perceived brightness changes with values in nits is as you said in your original post.EddieLarkin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:59 pmPerhaps a reading of the full article will square things for you? I honestly don't know the science behind any of it so cannot explain why this would or would not be true.
Exactly. The "twice" might be slightly different depending on the exact shape of that perceived brightness <-> luminance transfer function (which I haven't seen detailed, only plots). But as long as we are talking ballpark numbers, it's going to be close enough to the exact value from what I see. As a rule of thumb "100 times more nits -> doubling of the perceived brightness" certainly works I think.EddieLarkin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:12 pmAh, so 10,000 nits is in fact a hundred times as bright as 100 nits as you said, but humans only perceive it as twice as bright. That's a very helpful explanation, thanks.
And now for the correction. . .schellenbergk wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:00 amSo - it seems to be the disc. (Heavy sigh)EddieLarkin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:55 amYeah, the HDR (or Dolby Vision) pop up will appear whenever the TV switches to that mode.
Where I feel things are going to be iffy for some viewers (and there’s already signs of this) is the HDR grading and how dark the film comes off in comparison to previous releases for the film and other 4K black-and-white presentations. Grays are dominant, blacks are heavy, and whites are rare. Highlights are toned down and overall range is limited.
I got the Warner UHD today, so I thought I'd follow up on this discussion. I haven't had the time to do an A/B comparison, but I did pop in both disc to check out the HDR10 Metadata, and indeed the encodes are different. While the MaxCLL is almost identical, there is a vast difference in MaxFALL where the Criterion number being almost four times the Warner. Any comments on this, EddieLarkin? This must surely be one of the lowest MFALLs you have seen? If Goodfellas is 60.EddieLarkin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:55 pmYou're not quite getting it. If David finds that "Standard" or "Off" on his Optimiser settings result in a picture he's unhappy with, and "Light Environment" results in a picture that he is happy with, then that's proof that the issues he sees are nothing to do with the grade itself, but how his equipment is performing the tone mapping. All that setting does is change how much highlight information should be sacrificed for brightness. Choosing Light Environment is simply opting for more brightness, which is fixing the dull whites and thus bringing contrast back to the image, at the expense of highlight detail elsewhere. But the grade itself, as it exists on the disc, will be both bright enough to not suffer with any contrast issue and retain all the intended highlight detail.Finch wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:46 pmNone of us should have to futz with our players' settings to make the Criterion edition look the way it should have in the first place, and many people won't even have the option to adjust the settings. None of us should have to consider the Warner UHD as a viable, never mind a superior alternative. If it wasn't for the WKW set, I'd be sorely tempted to nominate Citizen Kane for the most flawed release of the year. At this point, if the Warner encode delivers, I'd be like fuck the extras on the Criterion and settle for a great encode AND sensible packaging that doesn't damage the discs.
People need to understand this key difference between SDR and HDR. With SDR, you can pump that image into any modern TV, and if it's calibrated you're going to get to see pretty much exactly what is on that disc, and how a particular grade looks, and so then you can make a fair judgement. HDR is an entirely different story. If you have equipment that cannot represent a HDR grade 1:1 (and whether it can or not will vary grade to grade, as unlike SDR, HDR does not have a set range), your equipment is then going to have to CHANGE THE IMAGE to fit its own parameters. The further away your equipment is from being able to reproduce a paritcular grade (say, if you're using a projector), THE MORE IT WILL HAVE TO CHANGE THE IMAGE. All David's done is have his equipment change the image in a different way.
But once you're getting into this territory, you cannot then declare that a grade is fucked! It's akin to watching a Blu-ray on a standard def TV and then complaining it's not as sharp as you expected a nice new 2K OCN restoration to be.
As for the WB UHD, I don't understand why anyone is expecting it to be different. Criterion and WB worked on this new remaster together, so why would there be any changes to the grading between UHDs?
When will the CITIZEN KANE Blu-ray be back in stock, available for purchase with the updated version of the disc?
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I’ve watched it a few times and have laughed at certain spots at different times throughout.Steven H wrote: ↑Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:27 amDoes anyone else feel the comedic aspects of this film are largely ignored or swept under the rug? I laugh my head off every time I see it, from Welles' smirks, and the newsreel satire, to Dorothy Comingmore's grating accent. I connect with it as a drama as well, but the humor is there for me. The last time I attended a screening, I distinctly remember not a chuckle coming from anybody but myself and the few friends that came with me.
flyonthewall2983 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 11:56 pmCharles Schultz apparently watched this 40 times in his lifetime.
