695 Blue is the Warmest Color
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::The lighting looks horrible, like something out of a cheap student film. "Well lit" in that you can see everything, but it looked really bad.::
I always felt that was intentional and another reason this scene shouldn't be equated with porn (which it is not). Kechiche isn't concerned with prettifying these scenes. He wants to show that raw reality. It isn't all about lighting, production value, and gorgeous shots (though I will say, the most beautiful shot in the sex scene is the one where Emma and Adele are laying with their limbs interwined, it looks like a painting).
I always felt that was intentional and another reason this scene shouldn't be equated with porn (which it is not). Kechiche isn't concerned with prettifying these scenes. He wants to show that raw reality. It isn't all about lighting, production value, and gorgeous shots (though I will say, the most beautiful shot in the sex scene is the one where Emma and Adele are laying with their limbs interwined, it looks like a painting).
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On the contrary, I think most of the film has a very natural look except for the sex scenes. It's mostly shot either with authentically motivated lighting or available sunlight. The first two sex scenes are the only part of the film where the lighting really looks "staged" to me, and therefore much further removed from "raw reality" than anything else in the film. It was precisely their artificiality that bothered me.
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I agree with this. When I think of "raw reality," natural or available light usually gets a lot closer - think of cinéma vérité films or better yet think of Nestor Almendros, he came to his available light aesthetic from working in documentaries for so long and realizing he preferred that look to most studio-lit pictures. Artificial or stage lighting looks a lot more fake to me.Kirkinson wrote:On the contrary, I think most of the film has a very natural look except for the sex scenes. It's mostly shot either with authentically motivated lighting or available sunlight. The first two sex scenes are the only part of the film where the lighting really looks "staged" to me, and therefore much further removed from "raw reality" than anything else in the film. It was precisely their artificiality that bothered me.
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What bothered me most was the numerous candles in the background during the sex scene. It seemed very cliche. Except for religious or cult ceremonies, who would bother to light 30-50 candles like that anymore? This, to me, exemplifies the artificiality of the scene.
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javi82 wrote:What bothered me most was the numerous candles in the background during the sex scene. It seemed very cliche. Except for religious or cult ceremonies, who would bother to light 30-50 candles like that anymore? This, to me, exemplifies the artificiality of the scene.
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All those candles and not one scene where they slather hot, melted wax on one another.
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Blue is the warmest color was awarded the "Prix des auditeurs du Masque et la Plume", and on this occasion Abdellatif Kechiche was invited for a 30 minute interview on the show. He covered quite a bit of ground, from the production of the film to the (alleged) complaints from his crew and cast. He also confirmed that the editing of the director's cut had just been finished "the night before", mostly with added school teaching scenes. He underlines the importance of those scenes, the idea of the movie having originated from the teacher character in L'esquive (Games of Love and Chance).
He also hints (jokingly, perhaps) at an even longer cut.
He also hints (jokingly, perhaps) at an even longer cut.
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I loved Blue is the Warmest Color, but the last thing the film needs is more school teaching scenes. I was hoping that the director's cut would develop a particular relationship that occurs in the latter portion of the film, though it now seems that this is unlikely.remy wrote:He also confirmed that the editing of the director's cut had just been finished "the night before", mostly with added school teaching scenes.
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Oh my god, more school teaching scenes in the director's cut?! Okay, this film is just not for me. That confirms it.
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Indeed, that's what he states around the 29:40 mark (link in my post above) - more school scenes, with characters that did not make it in the theatrical cut (a natural science and philosophy teacher for instance).
I actually really liked those scenes, they work for me on multiple levels - they rang true to what school teaching is like (they were shot on location with students / teachers), but on a dramatic level they allow us to perceive Adele's unspoken state of mind. Having seen the movie once, I felt that worked well in the theatrical cut. I am certainly curious to see how his recurrent theme of "passing of knowledge" in Kechiche's body of work will unfold in this new cut and without a doubt in his next movies.
One last interesting bit from this interview, Kechiche states that he is working on adapting a book by Francois Begaudeau, La blessure, la vraie. Begaudeau wrote the novel that was the used for Laurent Cantet's 2008 Palme d'Or, The Class (Entre les murs).
I actually really liked those scenes, they work for me on multiple levels - they rang true to what school teaching is like (they were shot on location with students / teachers), but on a dramatic level they allow us to perceive Adele's unspoken state of mind. Having seen the movie once, I felt that worked well in the theatrical cut. I am certainly curious to see how his recurrent theme of "passing of knowledge" in Kechiche's body of work will unfold in this new cut and without a doubt in his next movies.
One last interesting bit from this interview, Kechiche states that he is working on adapting a book by Francois Begaudeau, La blessure, la vraie. Begaudeau wrote the novel that was the used for Laurent Cantet's 2008 Palme d'Or, The Class (Entre les murs).
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Ah, now that's actually a bit different. I thought you were referring to an addition of scenes in the second half of the film where Adele is teaching, elementary students I believe. If these sequences occur when Adele is a student, learning from her professors, than I would be more than happy to see them. The few moments we do see of these encounters in the beginning of the film are some of the best that the film has to offer.remy wrote:Indeed, that's what he states around the 29:40 mark (link in my post above) - more school scenes, with characters that did not make it in the theatrical cut (a natural science and philosophy teacher for instance).
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It is not entirely clear, but I indeed gather there will be additional "high school" scenes (first half of the movie) in that new cut.
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Lea Seydoux will be a guest on Craig Ferguson's "Late Show" this Friday night. :)
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I had a question about the passage of time -
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At the beginning Adele is in high school at 17 since we see her 18th birthday party. We know three years have past since the breakup since Emma says the child Lise was pregnant with is now three. How many years passed in between? Adele told Emma's parents she had to get a masters degree and then her teaching credential so I'm wondering how many years that usually takes in France? I ask because I was really impressed with Adèle Exarchopoulos's acting from high schooler to adult but if that adult is supposed to be close to ten years older I'm even more impressed.
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In the U.S. it takes around 2-3 years to obtain a Master's degree in most cases, I can't imagine it's much different in France.
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I thought the answer was going to be one hour of scenes of her teaching schoolchildren.
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That's why I'm curious, is it just like the U.S.? If somfunk9786 wrote:In the U.S. it takes around 2-3 years to obtain a Master's degree in most cases, I can't imagine it's much different in France.
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that means 3-4 for a bachelor's, 2-3 for masters and maybe a year for the credential. So between high school and the breakup they were together 6-8 years?
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It depends on the program and the University.mfunk9786 wrote:In the U.S. it takes around 2-3 years to obtain a Master's degree in most cases, I can't imagine it's much different in France.
If it's a class-based Masters, it takes a year (that's how long I spent on my own Masters degree).
If it's class + thesis, it takes between 1-3 years, with two being the most likely.
Assuming the French system isn't terribly different from the North American System, she reasonably could have done both degrees in four to five years.
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The specific Bachelor's degree required to teach in primary school in france is called a licentiate and that program usually takes three years. I don't know much about the Master's degree she mentioned or how long that could take but there are other training programs and such to get your certificate which only take a year, so it could easily only have been four years as Mr Sausage pointed out.
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I thought those scenes of her teaching were more interesting than the scenes of her passively or disinterestedly listening to high school classes. She was unexpectedly harsh for a film portrayal of an elementary school teacher, it was awesome.swo17 wrote:I thought the answer was going to be one hour of scenes of her teaching schoolchildren.
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I appreciate the joke here but it reminds me to ask, what's the issue so many people have with her teaching scenes? I thought the scenes worked very well and gave Adèle a backbone outside of her relationship Emma. Too many times relationship films have characters completely defined by the significant other without anything of their own. I also think it's important to remember when thinking about those scenes that the film is called La Vie d'Adèle and view them in that context.swo17 wrote:I thought the answer was going to be one hour of scenes of her teaching schoolchildren.
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I didn't care much for the film, but it was definitely engaging. Still, I may be in the minority, but I'm surprised it's won all this acclaim. The performances were very good though, and for a moment I didn't realize these were accomplished actors and thought they might have hired porn stars (a la Baise Moi).
I'm a little shocked this is based on a comic book though. Is reading a comic of that really that interesting?
I'm a little shocked this is based on a comic book though. Is reading a comic of that really that interesting?
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If the comic's well made. I would think the variety of story potentials for comic books was more than proven now.
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I mean I love comics, graphic novels, etc. I've read Strangers in Paradise, Love and Rockets, Black Hole etc., and at least there were more characters and interesting environments and settings.knives wrote:If the comic's well made. I would think the variety of story potentials for comic books was more than proven now.
I guess I just don't see how the characters in BITWC can hold one's attention in graphic novel form for very long. The main character doesn't even really speak much in the film.
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I don't think speech is really that necessary for a visual medium which comics certainly are. That said based on her comments I imagine the source is very different.