To Marcel Carné? No.Lance wrote:Is grain management more important than story?
To the person entrusted with preserving the look of the celluloid image in a manner that looks as close as possible to projection on the film's initial release? Yes.
To Marcel Carné? No.Lance wrote:Is grain management more important than story?
Others will surely have more patience, but I guess I'll just go back to my role of faithful and passive consumer. After all, I certainly don't have a destiny in film forged with my own mythological journey and tied to the forward progression of the human race or anything swell like that.Who’s to say how it is done? You all? Who made you the judge of all things restoration? Was this something ordained to you by (fill in your deity of choice)? I was not aware that optimizing and saving content had to go through your special committee prior to distribution so that the rest of us inferior masses could simply enjoy the content. I will certainly let the studio heads know of this new procedure.
Please. If you were sorry you would have edited out the language. Honesty is a key component of credibility. Yours just took a hit.Lance wrote:I apologize for the above commentary.
This is an excellent point. Not only is it apparent that he was unfamiliar with the film pre-restoration, there's no evidence in either of his lengthy posts that he's actually seen either the Criterion or Second Sight BDs, which is what everyone here is working from.Drucker wrote:There is a lotta silly to digest in your post, but the fact that this all came up with regards to Paradise and you possibly hadn't seen it before your own companies tools were used in a 4K scan really harm the leg you might be trying to stand on with this incident.
I have no idea what you can do with digital tools today has to do with how to present what Carne did with film 60 years ago.I am sure some of you will go off the handle about how crazy I am, egocentric, etc – be my guest. You will do so regardless of what I type here because you are the kind of person who looks for any human flaw regardless of how petty (spelling, for exmmaple) to make your point that only a barbarian could be behind the curtain. But a few of you will begin to understand that the force that guides this technology and the impact it is making is well beyond me or my company, it is a needed tool so cope. At some point we have to move on to cell phones from the ones plugged into the wall. We have to move on from horse draw carriages to cars. Fact is, the human race moves forward with or without the ones who sit and pout. If you spend all your time on a topic like film grain levels on one single film you will miss the big picture and the amazing things happening to the whole industry. I mean, I can take a 5D camera, a copy of Adobe Premium, my Dark Energy for After Effects, and I can cut a film that looks as amazing as anything in the theater next year. The stories are coming in floods and we need them to save us, and they will look terrific if people take the time to do them right. That excites me.
Lance wrote:...blatant name calling is a larger reflection of poor form than bad spelling ever will be.
Lance wrote:I am sure some of you will go off the handle about how crazy I am, egocentric, etc – be my guest. You will do so regardless of what I type here because you are the kind of person who looks for any human flaw regardless of how petty (spelling, for exmmaple) to make your point that only a barbarian could be behind the curtain.
No, not really. I've taken scans of a negative and sent them straight to NTSC DVD without degraining. BD can easily handle it.I'm not a technical expert. It's my understanding that some degree of grain removal/management is necessary in many (most? all?) cases,
Nobody needs to be an electrician to complain when your electrical switches are not properly working even if it has been done by a professionnal electrician.Lance wrote:If you are that opposed, go work for those companies, become the restoration managers, then convince them and the film owners that the aged, dirty prints are the original artist’s intent
Greetings, my friend. We are all interested in the future, for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. And remember my friend, future events such as these will affect you in the future.
I don't remember the exact thread (I read, and re-read many oldie, goodie ones at work throughout the day!) but somewhere Nick says something to the effect of the prevalence and danger of how many new tools and gadgets there are for people helping bring our releases to life. Lance all but confirms, to me, our greatest fears. That literally one or two dudes and their opinion of how something probably should look somehow makes way to the end product.david hare wrote:So are DVNR, color timing, Regrain and all the other software processes now occurring in a production environment in which no regard whatsoever is paid to original resources including prints?
I fear so, if you look at the growing number of fuckups this year alone - toll so far Bande a Part for Gaumont, Lola for Arte, and a particularly startling one the UK BD of the 62 Cape Fear which has totally removed grain for the first 90 minutes and then - poof! - the last m2ts file comes good for the remaining 30 minutes with the grain structure back and intact and a perfect picture. This one seems to have had the same tech falling asleep at the desk as Marnie. And more coming, especially if they're using Cinnafilm for their digital cleanups.
Welcome to the Forum. ;~}Lance wrote:Thank you for this enlightening discussion.
Sometimes, I think people think we're just a bunch of never-happy cry-babies when most of our concerns are fully motivated.Michael Kerpan wrote:Welcome to the Forum. ;~}Lance wrote:Thank you for this enlightening discussion.
This was one of the nicest (maybe THE nicest) thread turnaround in all the years I've been here. ;~}tenia wrote:Sometimes, I think people think we're just a bunch of never-happy cry-babies when most of our concerns are fully motivated.Michael Kerpan wrote:Welcome to the Forum. ;~}Lance wrote:Thank you for this enlightening discussion.
Glad to see that the discussion seems to take a positive turn.