MoC Forthcoming, Wishlist, and Random Speculation

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Re: MoC Forthcoming, Wishlist, and Random Speculation

#4151 Post by The Elegant Dandy Fop » Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:07 pm

If you love that type of humor in Sammo’s cinema, it culminates at its most crass and tasteless in Pantyhose Hero. Plenty of gay jokes, casual homophobia, and something I’ve only seen in Hong Kong films: AIDS jokes. There’s some good action in there, but it serves as a real object of peak un-PC Hong Kong cinema. It’ll probably never come out as its one of the numerous Golden Harvest films now owned by Warner Bros. I DO enjoy some humor like this occasionally, like the great gag that ends Encounters of the Spooky Kind.

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#4152 Post by Finch » Sun Nov 14, 2021 8:23 pm

I heard about that stuff in the Lucky Stars films and thought, I'll try catching these on tubi or other comparable channels instead. I'm just having a hard time overlooking that shit.

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#4153 Post by knives » Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:21 pm

Are the tubi streams any good? My impression is that they’re all edited dubs?

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#4154 Post by Finch » Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:57 pm

Of the HK titles I was able to find on tubi, pretty much everything was offered in the original with subs and dubbed versions though you'll have to put the title into the search engine sometimes to find both versions. And I'm sorry I should have been clearer about the availability of My Lucky Stars on tubi. It hasn't shown up there yet. What I should have said is, to my knowledge it's one of the more likely legal sources where those films might pop up online. The tubi streams are 720p and played fine on my laptop. You just have to accept the occasional 30 seconds to one minute ad break.

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#4155 Post by dwk » Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:25 pm

My Lucky Stars is with Janus and is on the Criterion Channel.

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#4156 Post by Ribs » Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:38 pm

The silent The Indian Tomb is coming to MoC in February as revealed by Amazon. Skinny Tiget Fat Dragon in Classics as well as we knew.


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#4158 Post by ChunkyLover » Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:19 am

March 2022 announcements this week

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#4159 Post by What A Disgrace » Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:09 pm

That's The Odd Couple.

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#4160 Post by ChunkyLover » Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:13 am

A bit disappointing that there's no MoC title for March. Is this their first MoC-less month?

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#4161 Post by swo17 » Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:16 am

Possibly. It's definitely their first Squid Game cash-in:

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#4162 Post by Finch » Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:52 pm

I'd suggest renaming this thread to MoC/Eureka Forthcoming, Wishlist and Random Speculation since MoC's output is not as frequent as it used to be.

Personally, I'm thrilled to be able to see The Odd Couple for the first time, and in 2k. I'm very appreciative of their devotion to Hongkong cinema since MoC's releases from 2021 are either not appealing to me or been released in the US already and not been bettered in most cases (Johnny Guitar's Olive Signature release for starters).

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#4163 Post by ryannichols7 » Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:31 pm

I'm cool with Eureka doing whatever they need to do in order to keep the silents and stuff that they specialize in going, but man if Midnight doesn't feel like the most unabashed cash grab I've seen any of these labels do...every single thing on their social media channels has made reference to Squid Game

someone may provide more insight to me as to how involved MOC is with Eureka, as I may be a little off base here in thinking the Eureka line funds MOC at all

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#4164 Post by yoloswegmaster » Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:47 pm

Not really sure how the release of 'Midnight' is a cash grab as Eureka had announced the acquisition of the title weeks before 'Squid Game' had even premiered. It looks as if they got a bit of luck having one of the main stars being recently associated with something that has massive exposure.

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#4165 Post by swo17 » Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:05 pm

ryannichols7 wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:31 pm
someone may provide more insight to me as to how involved MOC is with Eureka, as I may be a little off base here in thinking the Eureka line funds MOC at all
My understanding is that it's all the same company--MoC is just how they brand their more "prestigious" titles

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#4166 Post by Finch » Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:51 pm

At least one of the MoC producers, Jacob Milligan, is also listed as producer on all the recent Hongkong releases Eureka have put out including the brand new Full Alert, and I think Jon Robertson is joint producer on the MoC titles.

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#4167 Post by tenia » Fri Dec 03, 2021 3:41 am

swo17 wrote:
ryannichols7 wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:31 pm
someone may provide more insight to me as to how involved MOC is with Eureka, as I may be a little off base here in thinking the Eureka line funds MOC at all
My understanding is that it's all the same company--MoC is just how they brand their more "prestigious" titles
Eureka is the label, MoC, like Montage, is a collection within their overall releases.

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#4168 Post by Maltic » Fri Dec 03, 2021 9:17 am

Finch wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:52 pm
I'd suggest renaming this thread to MoC/Eureka Forthcoming, Wishlist and Random Speculation since MoC's output is not as frequent as it used to be.

Personally, I'm thrilled to be able to see The Odd Couple for the first time, and in 2k. I'm very appreciative of their devotion to Hongkong cinema since MoC's releases from 2021 are either not appealing to me or been released in the US already and not been bettered in most cases (Johnny Guitar's Olive Signature release for starters).

The Hands of Orlac and Straight Shoothing + Hell Bent have been great releases, imo, though they're the only 2021 MoC I got so far

Btw, I'm not sure why the Johnny To films are MoC, while Tsui Hark, Sammo etc are released under the Eureka Classics banner. Not that it makes a difference to me.

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#4169 Post by willoneill » Fri Dec 03, 2021 10:39 am

Maltic wrote:
Fri Dec 03, 2021 9:17 am
Btw, I'm not sure why the Johnny To films are MoC, while Tsui Hark, Sammo etc are released under the Eureka Classics banner. Not that it makes a difference to me.
I also agree that what's MoC and what's Eureka seems arbitrary at times. With Johnnie To, however, I wonder if it's because they released Mad Detective very early in the MoC blu-ray days (#2, to be exact), before non-MoC Eureka blu-rays were as common as they are now. And so it would be weird if To were a "Master of Cinema" back then, but not now. Just a theory.

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#4170 Post by swo17 » Fri Dec 03, 2021 10:44 am

Also weird that Yuen Woo-ping was a master of cinema when he directed Drunken Master but just some guy when he made Iron Monkey

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#4171 Post by tenia » Fri Dec 03, 2021 11:22 am

It'll always feel weird because sure enough, there are some additions in the MoC line that basically opens Pandora's Box, but I never expected it to be neither exhaustive nor 100% consistent. I don't expect every Yuen Woo-Ping or Johnnie To movies being in the MoC line because there's one already, just like I don't expect the picks to be fully coherent (there certainly are Classics releases that could have been MoC and vice-versa).

I think it was originally a question of prestige coupled with a matter of project's ressources, MoC getting the lion's share while the Classics line was to relegate either smaller titles or lighter releases. I suppose this simply was the original ideal objectives but the reality of the market, what could be added in terms of extras and how the Classics line grew in terms of pace diverted this split to another path, hence these inconsistent places now.

In particular, I suspect it originally wasn't expected for Eureka to be able to expand that much their number of HK titles, and starting including those titles in the MoC line would have meant not being able to stop to because people would have wondered why these movies were included and not those ones (like we're doing now). Except that it would have meant the MoC line-up suddenly getting 20% new additions being solely HK movies, which I don't think was the original plan for this collection. They also probably couldn't create a specific HK collection because the previous MoC titles would be left out of it.

I'm not sure there is much more to it.

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#4172 Post by swo17 » Fri Dec 03, 2021 11:28 am

Also, was John Frankenheimer a master of cinema when he directed Seconds but not when he directed Prophecy? Absolutely, yes

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#4173 Post by reaky » Fri Dec 03, 2021 1:28 pm

tenia wrote:It'll always feel weird because sure enough, there are some additions in the MoC line that basically opens Pandora's Box
Come to think of it, why haven’t MoC ever released a blu of Pandora’s Box? They’ve done plenty of Pabst’s other films.

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#4174 Post by knives » Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:35 pm

swo17 wrote:
Fri Dec 03, 2021 11:28 am
Also, was John Frankenheimer a master of cinema when he directed Seconds but not when he directed Prophecy? Absolutely, yes
In a real sad way too. That’s the film that got him in rehab.

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#4175 Post by What A Disgrace » Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:11 am

My theory is that the decision to release Drunken Master came *before* a bunch of Hong Kong classics fell into their lap, and that event also came into conjunction with the idea to inject a bit more prestige into the label beyond the Masters of Cinema line (a smashing success, I imagine). I figure the Johnnie To films get inducted into the MoC line because To is a much more outré auteur than the other Hong Kong figures; closer to Fruit Chan or Wong Kar Wai than Sammo Hung, Tsui Hark or even John Woo.

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