The Alternate César Awards: César du meilleur film (Best Film)

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Re: The Alternate César Awards: César du meilleur film (Best Film)

#101 Post by tenia » Sun Mar 06, 2022 12:39 pm

Part of the movie's subtext in any case goes indeed in line with Bedos' overall conservative personal vision of the world. In this regard, what you're pointing out is indeed there (and true enough : Victor's new life is a happier one, Marianne's a sadder one), and is indeed some kind of a riff on "it was better before".

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#102 Post by Black Hat » Sat Mar 12, 2022 1:31 pm

domino harvey wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 2:34 pm
Illusions perdues (Xavier Giannoli)
Man, did I hate this predictable, schlockfest of a movie, but it did seem to be a crowd-pleaser.

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Re: The Alternate César Awards: César du meilleur film (Best Film)

#103 Post by domino harvey » Fri Jul 15, 2022 5:43 pm

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Finally, for this year, I would advise (if an English-friendly release exists) to give a spin to Le cousin, with Chabat and Timsit, which I always found to be a good cop story.
After loving Corneau’s blasphemous remake of Melville’s Le deuxieme soufflé, which just pushes style as substance about 1000 meters past its normal breaking point to great success that vastly outpaces the original (warning: I’m in the minority in believing this), I had high hopes for Le cousin but was unfortunately underwhelmed. The film never makes up its mind if its a comedy or not (having two comic actors in the lead would say it is, but much of this isn’t aiming for laffs), and the most memorable scenes, like Patrick Timsit’s “Nounours” showing his claws by suddenly beating an impudent drug dealer’s face into broken glass, don’t gel with the tone surrounding them. Also Anges Jaoui’s character is one of the most worthless underwritten wives I’ve ever seen in one of these policiers

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Re: The Alternate César Awards: César du meilleur film (Best Film)

#104 Post by domino harvey » Sun Oct 02, 2022 2:28 pm

Black Hat wrote:
Sat Mar 12, 2022 1:31 pm
domino harvey wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 2:34 pm
Illusions perdues (Xavier Giannoli)
Man, did I hate this predictable, schlockfest of a movie, but it did seem to be a crowd-pleaser.
Call me one of the crowd, because I thought this was exceedingly entertaining. Two and a half hours fly by in this compelling examination of naïveté, as our protagonist learns the hard way that if you aren't waved in past the red velvet rope by default, be wary of promises to be snuck in around the back. Easy to see why Vincent Lacoste won the Cesar, his editor is the most entertaining of the characters on display, and his bit about how to turn any positive sentiment about a work into something negative when writing a review is the film's smartest and funniest moment (and now we know how Armond White writes his reviews... wait, does he even still write reviews?). Fundamentally I like any movie that seems vaguely aspirational and optimistic and then reveals it knows how the world actually works. Shout out as well to Jeanne Balibar's subtly intimidating performance as That Woman You Don't Want to Fuck With

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#105 Post by diamonds » Sun Oct 02, 2022 2:49 pm

domino harvey wrote:
Sun Oct 02, 2022 2:28 pm
Easy to see why Vincent Lacoste won the Cesar, his editor is the most entertaining of the characters on display, and his bit about how to turn any positive sentiment about a work into something negative when writing a review is the film's smartest and funniest moment (and now we know how Armond White writes his reviews... wait, does he even still write reviews?)
You are actually aligned with White (at least this once), who had some very kind words to say about this film.

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#106 Post by domino harvey » Sun Oct 02, 2022 3:05 pm

By pretending the film’s attacks on the Facebook Forwardization of his fellow right wingers are actually directed at the left of today just because they are depicted by the left of yesterday! Hilarious as always, he knows perfectly well who the target actually is

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#107 Post by the preacher » Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:48 am

Critics vs. academics

For anyone interested, here is something that (I think) is not published anywhere: SFCC (syndicat français de la critique de cinéma)'s top French films since 2010:

2010
1.Des hommes et des dieux, Xavier Beauvois
2.Ghost Writer (The), Roman Polanski
3.Carlos, le film, Olivier Assayas
4.Tournée, Mathieu Amalric
5.Nom des gens (Le), Michel Leclerc

2011
1.Exercice de l'État (L'), Pierre Schoeller
2.Le Havre, Aki Kaurismäki
3.Artist (The), Michel Hazanavicius
4.Guerre est déclarée (La), Valérie Donzelli
5.Pater, Alain Cavalier

2012
1.Amour, Michael Haneke
2.Holy Motors. Leos Carax
3.Adieux à la reine (Les), Benoît Jacquot
4.Camille redouble, Noémie Lvovsky
5.De rouille et d'os, Jacques Audiard

2013
1.Vie d'Adèle (La) - Chapitres 1 et 2, Abdellatif Kechiche
2.Inconnu du lac (L'), Alain Guiraudie
3.Suzanne, Katell Quillévéré
4.Vénus à la fourrure (La), Roman Polanski
5.Passé (Le), Asghar Farhadi

2014
1.Timbuktu, Abderrahmane Sissako
2.Sils Maria, Olivier Assayas
3.Saint Laurent, Bertrand Bonello
4.Bird People, Pascale Ferran
5.Combattants (Les), Thomas Cailley

2015
1.Fatima, Philippe Faucon
2.Trois souvenirs de ma jeunesse - Nos Arcadies, Arnaud Desplechin
3.Mustang Deniz Gamze Ergüven
4.Loi du marché (La), Stéphane Brizé
5.Ombre des femmes (L'),Philippe Garrel

2016
1.Elle, Paul Verhoeven
2.Frantz, François Ozon
3.Mort de Louis XIV (La), Albert Serra
4.Tortue rouge (La), Michael Dudok de Wit
5.Une vie, Stéphane Brizé

2017
1.120 battements par minute, Robin Campillo
2.Barbara, Mathieu Amalric
3.Grave, Julia Ducournau
4.Carré 35, Éric Caravaca
5.Petit paysan, Hubert Charuel
Villa (La) Robert Guédiguian

2018
1.MEKTOUB MY LOVE : CANTO UNO de Abdellatif Kechiche
2.JUSQU'A LA GARDE de Xavier Legrand
3.FRERES SISTERS (LE) de Jacques Audiard
4.DOULEUR (LA) de Emmanuel Finkiel
5.AMANDA de Mikhaël Hers

2019
1.Les Misérables de Ladj Ly
2.Portait de la jeune fille en feu de Céline Sciamma
3.J’accuse de Roman Polanski
4.J’ai perdu mon corps de Jérémy Clapin
5.Gloria Mundi de Robert Guédiguian

2020
1.LES CHOSES QU'ON DIT, LES CHOSES QU'ON FAIT, Emmanuel Mouret
2.ADOLESCENTES, Sébastien Lifshitz
3.ADIEU LES CONS, Albert Dupontel
4.ANTOINETTE DANS LES CÉVENNES, Caroline Vignal
5.LE SEL DES LARMES, Philippe Garrel

2021
1.ONODA de Arthur Harari
2.ANNETTE de Leos Carax
3.ILLUSIONS PERDUES de Xavier Giannoli
4.ÉVENEMENT (L') de Audrey Diwan
5.À L'ABORDAGE de Guillaume Brac

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Re: The Alternate César Awards: César du meilleur film (Best Film)

#108 Post by domino harvey » Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:47 pm

En corps reminded me a lot of Klapisch's Ni pour, ni contre (bien au contraire)-- lots of style and confident filmmaking, but zero dramatic stakes whatsoever. A perfectly charming crowdpleaser, though, and I liked seeing François Civil playing such a different role from BAC Nord despite looking like he just wandered over to this set from that one. Best opening credits since the New Pope though!

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#109 Post by tenia » Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:34 am

I'm currently catching up with 2023's Césars nominees and winners, and am curious about what would domino do with some of these, in particular L’innocent which felt like such a typical mediocre “very French” movie.

On a side note, we watched En corps a few days ago, and despite our overall positive feelings towards Klaspisch' filmography overall, it felt like one of his least interesting movie. Disjointed, never really funny nor close enough to properly written, it's also a movie that spends way too much time explaining out loud metaphors already way too obvious, adding unsubtlety to unsubtlety.

The underlying issue is that it's a very trite story to begin with, and one that constantly feels like a Parisian bourgeois fantasy at that, where everyplace offers either a view on the Eiffel tower or the Sacré-Coeur, where the biggest problems one can have is a Wi-Fi problem and where you need to go to Bretagne to find back "grounded roots" vs "classical ballet which is more about dreaming". Yeah, right.
It doesn't help that despite being 2 hours long, the utmost majority of the characters are paper-thin at best, awful caricatures at worst, like Podalydès' father figure.

That the movie seemingly has no idea how to blend seamlessly all this together just tops it up, starting with an opening that is either 1h30 too short or 10 minutes too long, followed by a Total Recall-esque opening credits that I'm still trying to figure out what it has to do with anything.

Fortunately, Pio Marmaï saves his scenes, but it's like 5 minutes total, so less than Muriel Robin's Captain Obvious screentime.

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Re: The Alternate César Awards: César du meilleur film (Best Film)

#110 Post by domino harvey » Mon Mar 27, 2023 5:34 pm

Ha, I thought the film peaked with the aforementioned first ten minutes and opening credits. I do think they serve a narrative function, but only in retrospect
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with the classically trained ballerinas captured participating in a highly stylized version of the bombastic modern dance the protagonist will embrace later in the film
Agree 100% with you on Podalydes’ character in the film though— a complete waste of a great actor stuck in the most cliched archetype imaginable. One of the worst written characters I’ve seen in a film in recent memory

I really wish the film had leaned into the dramatic possibilities of her never being able to dance again and stuck in a food truck serving other dancers, but I guess that was asking too much from fluff like this! Plus then, boom, more Marmai too!

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#111 Post by domino harvey » Sun Apr 30, 2023 8:57 am

domino harvey wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:06 pm
Bedos' next film (which somehow doesn't star his ingenue) will pick up the mantle and it has one of the greatest titles I've ever heard: OSS 117 : Alerte rouge en Afrique noire. Given Bedos' clear 70s fetishism in his first two films, I imagine he'll fit right in with the late 60s spy film aesthetic. I kind of doubt this will be the great film I think we'll eventually get from Bedos, but I'll still be watching it (especially since Pierre Niney, memorably called "Dujardin Lite" in 20 ans d'ecart, will star alongside Dujardin!)
Finally caught up with this and thought it ranked somewhere between the first and second, though I'm aware it received a hostile reception from French audiences and critics alike. I won't argue against complaints that the anticolonial jokes are on the nose, but it felt fully in line with the racial critiques of the second film (and Dujardin's futile attempts at not being racist are hilarious) and while I think Bedos chickens out with the Niney punchline (if French cinema also relies of focus groups, surely this is a product of that), he doesn't flinch with the ironic tone of the overall finale here. The icy reception was perhaps an example of mocking the audience who would show up for this film while not offering something the audience who would be sympathetic wants to see? Also clearly the target here is more late 70s/early 80s Bond than the 60s chic of the first two OSS reduxes, which Bedos is able to showboat within stylistically but which feels very familiar. Some good laughs, some groaners, another three star "Not quite reaching your potential" You Tried sticker for Bedos' directorial efforts from me

Also recently discovered Calmos, a YouTube film channel that has a series of videos about French comedies, which has a good video essay explaining the French comic tradition of the first OSS 117 Dujardin film (Not all of this channel's videos are subtitled, but this one is, and the one on Bacri/Jaoui is as well)

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Re: The Alternate César Awards: César du meilleur film (Best Film)

#112 Post by tenia » Sun Apr 30, 2023 9:52 am

The issue we had in France with the movie actually mostly had to do with Bedos taking against the newer generations with a simplistic message à la "ah, the good ol' times", in line with his personal not really progressive views, even if it means in the end siding more than ever with OSS instead of making him the butt of the jokes (which was argued is quite a wrong turn following the past 2 movies).

In the end, OSS is legitimised feeling it was better before (and Niney's fate symbolised how the previous generation knows and the new one is stupid) when one could make dirty jokes to women and be racist instead of being now in a world where anti-racism makes white privileged males the bagage-bearers instead of the bagage-bearers themselves. It also was, as depicted in the movie, a supposedly more exciting world instead of the dull job OSS gets into when switching to an IT desk job.

It's also not nearly funny enough for such a long movie.

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#113 Post by domino harvey » Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:08 am

I greatly enjoyed Tavernier’s Capitaine Conan. This is a dirty, unvarnished, and complicated companion piece to War Hunt, with a more sympathetic gonzo marauder to complicate audience response. I particularly liked the film for how it essentially transposed a “dirty cop” policier into a WWI battlefront narrative. The comradeship between the two leads is unlikely yet believable and earned, and the film delighted me by never going into the obvious plot threads these kind of head-butting collisions could lead to. Some terrific controlled chaos in the battle scenes too, some of the best I can recall, and Claude Rich is hilarious as the comic relief gourmand general

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Re: The Alternate César Awards: César du meilleur film (Best Film)

#114 Post by domino harvey » Fri Sep 01, 2023 4:59 pm

Caught up with this year’s winner, La Nuit du 12, and thought it was awful and surely amongst the worst films to ever win the top award. A total nothing procedural that screeches everything (or what precious little is here that could be called everything) to a halt a good six or seven times to express Social Consciousness and/or Important Zeitgeist Signaling by literally having characters say, aloud, “There’s something wrong between men and women” and/or lament slut shaming, in what amounts to the least subtle filmmaker handholding I’ve seen since the heyday of Stanley Kramer

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Re: The Alternate César Awards: César du meilleur film (Best Film)

#115 Post by domino harvey » Wed Jan 24, 2024 1:00 pm

First post updated with this year's nominees:
2023
Anatomie d'une chute (Justine Triet)
Chien de la casse (Jean-Baptiste Durand)
Je verrai toujours vos visages (Jeanne Herry)
Le procès Goldman (Cedric Kahn)
Le Règne animal (Thomas Cailley)

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