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Re: Auteur List: Rainer Werner Fassbinder

#126 Post by Rayon Vert » Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:25 pm

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when I watched it most recently, there seems to be a deliberate ambiguity in that she is completely discombobulated by the discreet revelation that her husband was complicit in their latter-day estrangement. This is presumably enough to shatter her illusion that they can finally live happily ever after and impel a double suicide. But as I recall, the failure to turn off the gas actually took place before that revelation, setting it up as a tragic accident. The ambiguity remains, however, in the unseen act of lighting the match. Did she not smell the gas, did she not care?
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More ambiguity!

I just watched the scene again after reading what you wrote, and there's something in what you say because there's definitely a pause there when she's reaching for the cigarette (the last one, because she'll head back in the kitchen), just besides that significant vase with the roses. She suddenly starts looking at the pack of cigarettes, seeming like she's potentially having an idea. And then her husband starts panicking once she goes in and we see him sniffing, so he's definitely smelled the gas.

BTW, I'm having a bit of hard time figuring how that stove works though, because at 1h46 (six minutes before the scene where she will light the stove to deadly consequences), there's a mirror scene of her using the stove to light a cigarette again. The knob is turned to the left to get the flame started, and then turned completely to the right to turn it off, whereas in the later scene it's turned a bit to the right and left there. (There's also a continuity error in the earlier scene because first we see a wideshot and if we look closely the knob is turned to the right, and then it cuts in close and the knob is turned to the left.) I'm very possibly overathinking this!

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Re: Auteur List: Rainer Werner Fassbinder

#127 Post by zedz » Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:44 pm

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I think when the gas is left on, the flame is extinguished because it's blown out rather that shut off properly, and because the gas isn't completely shut off (turned fully to the right) the room slowly fills with it, making it ready to blow with the slightest spark.

Unless you're not familiar with working a gas stove? Two components: the gas supply (started and controlled by turning the knob), and the igniter. If the igniter is built-in, you need to do some additional action to activate it (e.g. turning the knob right around to the left in Maria's case, or pushing the knob in) and light the stream of gas. The igniter on our stove stopped functioning years ago, so we have to use a match or lighter. The correct way to turn off the flame is to cut off the gas supply. If you blow it out and then turn off the knob, you can't always be sure the gas supply is entirely cut off and you're leaving yourself open for a Maria Braun tragedy.

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Re: Auteur List: Rainer Werner Fassbinder

#128 Post by Rayon Vert » Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:06 pm

I guess I'll stick to an electric range!

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#129 Post by bottled spider » Fri Oct 29, 2021 11:38 pm

The screenwriter Peter Märthesheimer touches on the ending to Marriage of Maria Braun in an interview on the Criterion Lola disc. He originally wrote an ending where
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Maria drives herself and her husband off a cliff in her luxury car in an unambiguous murder-suicide. Fassbinder replaced this with the ambiguous fatal explosion, where you are unsure of the degree of intentionality.

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#130 Post by bottled spider » Sat Oct 30, 2021 1:49 pm

I can't resist repeating a comment I've made already: Fassbinder is a master of beginnings, and a master of scoring. Take Fox and his Friends. The spiralling in shot of the fairground and the German folk music give immediate aesthetic pleasure (despite the drab weather). Our curiousity is immediately piqued: we wonder if that's a police car (before it's made clear that it is), and what it's doing there, and why are passersby peering in so intently. The ever shifting point of view keeps our interest -- closeups of audience reactions as seen from the stage, a shot of the stage framed by an onlooker's umbrella, a glimpse of two girls in conversation in the rear view mirror of the police car. And then it finally clarifies that we're witnessing an arrest. It's rather amusing that the man being arrested and the fairground itself have barely any further relevance to the story.

I was a little impatient with the long opening credits of Lola, having seen the style a couple times already. I don't know what the photograph behind the credit is about, and the commentary on the Criterion disc uselessly doesn't comment. But the scene in the gents of the brothel that shortly follows is a brilliant way to introduce the characters. You don't notice how expository it is because it's so amusing, and so visually intense.

Watching the commentary immediately after watching the film revealed a nice little easter egg of sorts. When the camera tracks in to the scene outside the church, the scene where Shuckert and the congregation are complaining about the anti-rearmament demonstration, we see first the American soldier who lives in the same house as von Bohm, and then a glimpse of the fake blind beggar who also resides in the house. But they can only be recognized in retrospect since neither have been introduced yet. (This also goes unremarked in the commentary, because it's one of those commentaries that bears no relation to anything happening on screen; I quickly gave up on it). I've just now remembered the term Tony Rayns used for this on his Chunking Express commentary: "submerged continuity".

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Re: Auteur List: Rainer Werner Fassbinder

#131 Post by Rayon Vert » Sat Oct 30, 2021 9:12 pm

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Maybe the most interesting aspect of the film is trying to figure exactly what Fassbinder is attempted to create as an analogy with the historical period. The bookend images of the film of the historical political leaders suggest a morbid, hidden continuity between the Nazi past and the Adenauer ‘50s, and we can read Maria’s quest (and its sad denouement) as a commentary on the hollowness of Germany’s economic miracle (we’re constantly hearing construction work in the background).
I found the excellent Criterion extra with scholar Eric Rentschler very insightful on this point. It's very obvious as we watch the film that Maria is continually only living for the future, and not the present, but Rentschler also opposes her orientation to the future to her neglecting the past, as in not reflecting on it. In that way, her story mirrors that of post-war Germany ominously in a hurry to recreate itself without reflecting on its recent history (the framing bookend images of the chancellors are indeed an explicit statement to that effect, but Rentschler also mentions as further illustrations the salient moment where we hear in the background Adenauer in a speech going back on his earlier assertion that Germany would not re-arm itself, and perhaps even more powerfully how Maria's story ends with, in the background on the audio dimension again, Germany's resurgent patriotic nationalism as reflected in the triumphant glee in the winning over Hungary in the 1954 World Cup - this latter example especially being a moment I hadn't figured it out in this very illuminating way).

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if Maria commits the fatal act because she actually "forgets that she forgot" that she turned on the gas oven,
there's a striking parallel in that very climax, via that national pride through sport, with Germany's own forgetting of its own, very recent, incredibly destructive history. That creates so much additional resonance for the film and does indeed make the film appear as one of Fassbinder's major statements (which makes me more so frustrated that I didn't find the personal melodrama dimension of the film more absorbing than I did).

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Re: Auteur List: Rainer Werner Fassbinder

#132 Post by zedz » Wed Nov 03, 2021 11:12 pm

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Beware of a Holy Whore (1971) - Fassbinder dissolves the Anti-Theater before our very eyes in what I find an endlessly fascinating film, and the strongest of his initial period. It's a film about the making of Whity, and, more to the point, it's a film about the game-playing that was a large part of the Fassbinder world. But it both exposes that game-playing and simultaneously perpetuates and deepens it.

Not only is Fassbinder creating his own definitive account of his entourage - with all the score-settling that implies - but he's using the casting of the film as a further layer of commentary and manipulation. Who gets to play whom? Who get's 'promoted'? Who gets discarded in a bit part?

Most of his stock company are on board, but only two of them are playing themselves: Hanna Schygulla as Hanna, the lead actress, and Kurt Raab as Fred the production designer. Raab's role is so abject I doubt that Fassbinder would have been able to convince anybody else to take it, and of course he attacks it with relish: if Kurt Raab was a specialist in anything it was 'abject.' Eddie Constantine is also explicitly playing himself, but he wasn't a part of the Whity shoot, so in film a clef terms he's really subbing for Adrian Hoven. The casting game is extremely elaborate. Ingrid Caven, Mrs. Fassbinder at the time, is given the thankless role of a wannabe hanger-on who just happens to be staying at the same hotel; Harry Baer is even more marginal as her barely-seen husband. Ulli Lommel, who co-produced Whity, is demoted this time around while Karl Scheydt plays Ulli Lommel. Fassbinder is played, tantrum by tantrum, by Lou Castel (typically, Fassbinder's scorn extends to himself), while Fassbinder himself chooses to play Peter Berling, to whom the film is dedicated. Katrin Schaake is cast as a lowly script girl, but through a collision of circumstances at the last minute ends up having to reprise her stairtop role from Whity. Gunther Kaufman had left the group after Whity, in a tangled jumped / pushed scenario, and, owing the world shortage of Black Bavarians, he couldn't really be replaced (and so the film-within-a-film seems to be a much more ordinary revenge scenario, with a white star, Ricky), but he does rate a mention as a sex offender in a news bulletin!

Perhaps the ultimate example of critique through casting is the character of Irm, transparently based on Irm Hermann, who declares her undying love for the director who ignores her and leaves the set in disgrace. Irm Hermann does not appear in the film, and one can't really blame her given how excruciatingly exposed she'd be in this role. Her character is portrayed instead by Magdalena Montezuma (whose mentor, Werner Schroeter, is also along for the ride, floppy hat and all), but in a pointed coup de grace, she's dubbed by the real Irm. How did she manage the ADR with her ears burning like that?

The structure of the film is quite interesting, starting out with a twenty-minute opening scene of most of the cast and crew drifting aimlessly around the lobby of the Hotel Torpor while Fassbinder's Leonard Cohen-crammed jukebox drones on the background. Nothing happens, because the production is stalled financially. As the film progresses, the money starts to trickle in and the pace quickens, and by the end we're flashing through a landslide of fragmentary scenes. Before we know it, we're at the end of the filming, and the cast and crew think the movie might turn out okay after all.

This is a key Fassbinder film, and it's a key to Fassbinder's cruel, collective, dictatorial approach to filmmaking.

On a vaguely related note, way back in 2008, after Albert Serra had completed Birdsong, he was considering various follow-up projects, including an adaptation of Dracula (which eventually took the form of Story of My Death in 2013). One of these was a film about the making of Beware of a Holy Whore, which would have formed a kind of Koker trilogy (and its own 'making of' documentary a tetralogy). I was tickled by the self-reflective chutzpah of the idea. I guess it's okay to betray this confidence at such a late stage, since Serra probably got this impulse out of his system with the 2013 short Cuba Libre, named after the cocktail all the characters endlessly guzzle in Beware of a Holy Whore (spoiler: it's just your common or garden Rum & Coke).

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It's viewable on Vimeo (Here)
though you'll notice that little of Serra's original idea made it through to the finished film.

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#133 Post by knives » Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:18 am

Ha, just finished rewatching this as well. As a little add on to your wonderful thoughts I was thinking as well that this seems like a more definitive transition in terms of production size and fame. Obviously Whity precedes this, but everything is pitched in a slightly less insular way even as the film works best as an insular commentary. After all Adrian Hoven in no Eddie Constantine.

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#134 Post by zedz » Thu Nov 04, 2021 4:00 pm

Yeah, I think it's also valid to see this (and Whity, come to think of it) as transitional films, even if Fassbinder had no idea what he was transitioning to at the time. He's using a bigger palette, bigger casts, more resources, and going international, but he hasn't really got a sense yet of what he should be doing with those components. Whity was a swing and miss at commercial cinema, and Beware of a Holy Whore was an Anti-theater film writ large.

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#135 Post by zedz » Thu Nov 04, 2021 4:46 pm

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Martha (1974) - Douglas Sirk makes a horror movie, from an original idea by Sam Fuller. This is a crazy, brilliant film, built around contrasting performances by a hysterical, painfully thin Margit Carstensen and a smiling, impassive Karlheinz Bohm. Carstensen is a vulnerable spinster whose world collapses when her father dies (on the Spanish Steps, no less). Never mind: she falls in love with the first man she sees (rich, handsome, cultured), they get married, and live happily ever after. For about five minutes, until she starts to find out what kind of man she really married. It's a classic film noir set-up (borrowed from Cornell Woolrich), but the twist isn't that her husband is a gangster, or a serial killer, or wants to physically torture her. He just wants to control her, and that's the most terrifying thing of all. The steady progression of his plan, and Martha's increasing desperation, make for one of the most traditional and powerful dramatic build-ups in any Fassbinder film, and the pay-off is something to behold. The whole thing is pitched on a knife edge of parody, but maintains and builds an air of genuine creepiness regardless.

The film also contains one of the greatest single shots in Fassbinder's oeuvre and - what the heck - in cinema, that answers the question: how can you visually represent love at first sight, in a scene in which the characters don't even meet? The kind of thing that, in a romantic comedy would be done in a meet-cute, or in an Astaire / Rogers musical by their first dance, but in a drama, without any physical contact or mutual acknowledgement between the characters?

I'm also working my way through the scurrilous Fassbinder biography Love Is Colder Than Death. It's seriously trashy and will make you hate almost everyone involved, but there are some great nuggets of information, like the fact that the castle in Chinese Roulette was Michael Ballhaus's. What every director wants from his DoP: a castle. It also reminded me that Armin Meier's whole life was a fucking tragedy, not just its final chapter. The book was thrown together in the mid-80s while all the wounds were still raw, so none of the people interviewed have a good word to say about anybody, and the ones who didn't submit to an interview come off worst of all. I'm sure just about any subsequent biography is better, but they might not provide the same intimate detail on Fassbinder's drug taking and interest in fist-fucking.

And with this film, I've watched thirty-six Fassbinder films and have eight left to go. The reason this doesn't add up is that I relented and watched the shortened version of Bolweiser on YouTube, unsubbed. So I've technically seen it, and can aver that it seems to be a good film, but am not equipped to do a write up or rank it until I get to see the integral version.

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#136 Post by therewillbeblus » Thu Nov 04, 2021 7:01 pm

zedz wrote:
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Shockproof (1949) - Douglas Sirk makes a crime movie, from an original idea by Sam Fuller.
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#137 Post by Rayon Vert » Thu Nov 04, 2021 9:34 pm

In a Year with 13 Moons . Thomsen’s reading of this film is seductive – basically that Fassbinder presents us with, content-wise, one of his most potentially emotionally devastating elaborations on his central themes, but filmed in a deliberately not only distanced but unmindful way so as to create frustration instead of empathy, with the end goal being that the camera eye here reproduces our usual, everyday, uninterested gaze towards these horrors, as opposed to the one we have as “good, committed” cinema viewers. My experience of the film made this reading feel perhaps a little too pat. There is definitely a lot of distancing involved, perhaps most notably in the use of very long monologues relating past actions and stories (a bit like in Effi Briest in this way) while the camera and the editing do everything to keep us from paying attention - , but there’s also an uneven presentation of the Elvira character, who comes across as frequently ridiculous or cynically distanced herself to elicit much sympathy – until the last scenes. There’s also such a variety of tones, including indulgences in a lot of silliness and black humor, that this felt most like a Godard film than any of his previous films. The whole thing came across as scattered. There’s a lot of layers here, though, so I’ll definitely be tempted to revisit again, and it’s admirable to see the director go so left-field and anti-Hollywood again right after creating The Marriage of Maria Braun.

(Spooky fact: the film starts with an astrological assertion that the year in which the story takes place is one of the six occasions in the 20th century where an especially dangerous constellation occurs when a moon year (which happens every 7th year) is also a year with thirteen moons, where "the existence of many is threatened". The first year of the 21st century where this has taken place was, you guessed it:
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#138 Post by senseabove » Fri Nov 05, 2021 4:51 am

Martha didn't work as well for me as it did for others here, it seems, though having some of Fassbinder's most inspired camerawork and compositions will surely land it a place on my list. Up to the mid-point, I was entirely on board, but once the gaslighting begins in earnest... well, it's no Gaslight. Not that it needs to be, but it lacks the wavering sense of reality that makes Cukor's movie so engrossing, and it lacks the beautifully inexplicable ambiguity of Marlene's submissiveness in Petra, which you can feel even if you can't comprehend. Here, the motivations for Martha's submission are treated as too obvious to need explanation—Thomsen throws a lot of Freudian dream mumbo-jumbo at it in his summary, and then says one need not know Freud to understand these things, but I guess I do—and so the thinness of her submission is outweighed by the certitude of her rebellions. Sure, how subalterns, especially women, are conditioned to masochism is a reliable stalking horse for Fassbinder, but it's usually the jewel shining in a vast, complex social construct, not the sole narrative MO. The way it's presented here is like Fox's base need for a trustworthy love, absent the defensiveness about his street-smarts that it rounds out. Fox's blue-collar hackles raise because he wants that love, yet fitfully, furtively wants to maintain an identity outside of it, but he can't separate the otherworldliness of the bourgeoisie from the demands he can't meet. Martha's hackles don't raise until she's caught in a trap she needs to chew through a limb to get out of, and that gives the premise a fabular, Bluebeardian feeling that Fassbinder treats too strictly in the back half. Not to be too down on it—it's the first new-to-me film from the "mature" period for this project, and one I'm very glad to have seen, if only because it really is a visual triumph.

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Re: Auteur List: Rainer Werner Fassbinder

#139 Post by zedz » Fri Nov 05, 2021 4:22 pm

senseabove wrote:
Fri Nov 05, 2021 4:51 am
Martha didn't work as well for me as it did for others here, it seems, though having some of Fassbinder's most inspired camerawork and compositions will surely land it a place on my list. Up to the mid-point, I was entirely on board, but once the gaslighting begins in earnest... well, it's no Gaslight. Not that it needs to be, but it lacks the wavering sense of reality that makes Cukor's movie so engrossing, and it lacks the beautifully inexplicable ambiguity of Marlene's submissiveness in Petra, which you can feel even if you can't comprehend. Here, the motivations for Martha's submission are treated as too obvious to need explanation. . .
For me, Martha's submissiveness is explained in the first part of the film. She has been habituated to it by the (one hopes) benign infantilization characteristic of her relationship with her father. It also becomes clear on her return to Germany that her father has served as a protector of buffer for Martha from the hostility of her mother. So when she loses her father, she has an urgent psychological need for a substitute, and Helmut exploits this by emulating her father, based on the little he knows about him (the pigs' kidneys). She's also advised by her more worldly female friends that submission is how one gets what one really wants in a relationship. The film establishes that she is totally unprepared to recognize what's really going on at first.

Her antipathy for her mother means that she readily goes along with having her institutionalized, and has no suspicion that this is just Helmut's first chess move in isolating her from any potential support network. In a perverse, typically Fassbinderian way, the story of Martha's victimization is simultaneously the story of her awakening into adulthood and independence: it's only when Helmut's behaviour becomes more baldly manipulative that she rebels and attains an identity independent of the men who have dominated her life. That identity may be 'victim', but it's a start, and for me the last part of the film sees her fight her way to heroine status, even if her final victory can only be mental.

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#140 Post by senseabove » Fri Nov 05, 2021 6:32 pm

I guess I meant 'obvious' to be the key there more than 'need explanation.' Perhaps 'need expansion' would've been better. I think all that came through clearly, especially with that wonderful phone call at the consulate, but it still felt a little cursory in the front half and like received wisdom in the back, hence the fabular feel. Of course, there's a fabular element to most of Fassbinder's (imo) good work, where the characters are, yes, chess pieces being moved around his ideological board, but as they're moved, he paints in fine details of emotion and psychological texture with a precisely deployed, exaggerated style. Martha has the chess board and the delightfully garish style, but, to me, was lacking in that fine detail, especially in the back half. Who knows, though, whether I'd feel that way on another go: I've had some wildly divergent reactions when revisiting Fassbinder over the years, with movies I loved feeling meh, and movies I thought meh suddenly soaring. I may also have just been set up for disappointment by the realization that, "oh...it's Gaslight with a twist of [insert masochistic woman movie of your choice]."

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#141 Post by bottled spider » Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:30 pm

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The Merchant of Four Seasons (1972) - ... - the last, bizarre, flashback, of Hans being whipped by El Hedi ben Salem. This is Fassbinder's micro-remake of Belle de Jour, ...
That's a nice observation. I knew that scene reminded me of something. The flashbacks in The Merchant of Four Seasons are in general reminiscent of Bunuel -- something about the look and the tone, and maybe the abrupt way they are inserted. Fassbinder hasn't otherwise reminded me of Bunuel in what I've seen so far.

I like The Merchant of Four Seasons a lot, but I'm not sure I understood it. Where, for example, does the title come from?


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#143 Post by zedz » Sun Nov 07, 2021 3:19 pm

So, I was driving around on the weekend and on came Maximo Park's ' Out of Harm's Way', with its "Angst Essen Seele Auf / Fear Eats the Soul" refrain, so I rushed home and watched. . .

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Lili Marleen (1981) - . . . which will teach me to ignore providence. I remembered this as one of Fassbinder's worst films, but apart from the ludicrous Giannini torture scene, I couldn't remember why. O merciful amnesia! It's just atrocious in so many ways. Boring kitsch, terribly written (bad dialogue, gobs of exposition - such as the phlegmatic lump somebody coughs up to explain Kristallnacht to the dummies at the back) and badly acted twice over. The film is in English, which seems to be the master version, given the lip movements and lead performances, but many of the actors are dubbed, and it's an appalling Euro-pudding dub. All the voice performances are terrible, but they're not even coherently cast. The accents of the German characters range from bland Californian to RADA RP to 'Allo 'Allo comedy German, and they're mixed in with non-German actors speaking in their real voices and German actors making a fist (or a fistfuck) of English dialogue.

That torture scene is emblematic of how lousy the film is, but I'm afraid it doesn't really stand out. Giannini is subjected to the title song on an endless loop until he yells out "Stop! I Can't Stand It Any More!!!", just to let us know that he can't stand it any more. It's like the rejected first draft of a Monty Python sketch (before they came up with the idea of a joke that can kill), and the film keeps cutting back to the scene as if it's exciting, or heartbreaking, or hilarious, who the fuck knows. But the real film does the same thing to the audience, staging scene after scene of Schygulla warbling (badly) her theme song, often accompanied by bog standard war montages (doe-eyed recruits, explosions, doe-eyed recruits exploding). The song provides punctuation for nothing really happening in the rest of the film. There are occasional nice shots to relieve the boredom, but mostly it's Schwarzenberger doing his Vaseline thing with minimal panache.

But, concerned citizens want to know, does this relentless and thorough mediocrity make Lili Marleen the worst Fassbinder film of them all? Alas no, that dubious honour must be hurled at the feet of Hanna Schygulla, whose performance is mind-bogglingly terrible. She's acting in English, at which she must have been reasonably proficient for some time (all of her songs in Whity were sung in English), so one can't blame the dubbing 'talent' for this one. At its best, it's as if she's stoned, but whenever she's called on to emote it's embarrassingly uncalibrated (e.g. the phone call where she hollers "I love yoooooooo" down the line), and she delivers a number of line readings that would have given Edith Massey pause. This is what I'd blanked out about the film, and now I remember after watching it the first time having terrible thoughts that maybe Schygulla had always been a bad actress, and with all the subtitles and fancy camerawork I'd just never noticed. After this Fassbinder foray I'm pretty sure that's not the case, but this is still a film that can rattle your judgement. Nevertheless, this pretty clearly trumps Brad Davis in Querelle as the worst lead performance in any Fassbinder film, and it might be the worst performance full stop.

The other contenders for his worst film, Querelle and Satan's Brew, at least had some reason to exist, as a bizarro gay prestige film and a shit-flecked funhouse mirror distortion of a regular Fassbinder film respectively, but this debacle had no need to be in the first place, so all its considerable demerits amount to kneecapping a dwarf.

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#144 Post by knives » Sun Nov 07, 2021 3:49 pm

During the torture scene all I could muster was an “I feel ya buddy” as that song does get annoying so quickly. This rewatch has for me really shown Schygulla’s limitations as she’s great as an enigmatic vixen, but seems incapable of taking up traditional heroine roles which would be fine if she was never cast as such.

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#145 Post by bottled spider » Sun Nov 07, 2021 4:01 pm

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SOS suggests it’s a French expression.
Thanks. The French wiktionary elaborates just a little bit:
(Désuet) Nom donné à Paris à des marchands ambulants qui vendaient dans les rues, en les transportant sur des voitures à bras, des légumes et des fruits.
A slightly archaic ("désuet"), general term for a costermonger. One of those idioms that don't entirely make sense, in that you could hardly deduce that a "merchant of four seasons" is someone who sells fruit and vegetables.

Useful article. I like Sense of Cinema. I read the film slightly differently -- the sister Anna struck me as entirely sympathetic, and Irmgard doesn't seem to me to be presented as the party to blame for their unhappy marriage.

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#146 Post by Rayon Vert » Sun Nov 07, 2021 5:58 pm

The Third Generation. This is very much in spirit, form and tone(s) a companion to In a Year with 13 Moons. The preceding film was already bringing Godard to mind, but it’s even more the case here (which knives already observed earlier). One thinks especially of later Godard in terms of the near-constant audio double- and triple-layering that splits our attention (which gets near-incomprehensible in translation, since we have the additional competition of subtitles, and of course only portions of the different “texts” get illuminated this way), as well as all the other metafictional tricks going on and the alternation of deadly political and philosophical seriousness to utterly mad, acidic black comedy - all of this adding up to make different conventional audience engagement and identification impossible.

And that’s without mentioning how the way the film’s setting among these would-be revolutionaries strongly refers back to La Chinoise. Godard was arguably at once making fun of and admiring his university students; here Fassbinder is sympathetic with the longings of what motivates these older, now-ensconced-in-boring-professional-and-family-life bourgeois characters but is lucid about how the patterns they seek to change have already determined the limits of what they’re able to imagine (as represented in part in the behaviour among them – this is a real ensemble work, and there’s a potential parallel here with Beware of a Holy Whore where the participants in supposedly critical, lucid filmmaking carry actually carry over the same lack of lucidity in their real lives).

I agree with zedz that it’s hit and miss here. It’s striking how the film becomes so manic and zany at the end – one moment that stood out for me in this sense was where Fassbinder makes an overly obvious parallel with the authoritarian police commissioner and his nation’s past when we see him beating up and intimidating Bernard to get him to give an address: “We have methods you cannot possible imagine – you will talk”, a wink to the old Nazi character cliché “ve haf vays of making you talk”.

But whatever the imperfections in the execution, there’s an incredible richness of ideas in both content and form in these two works that definitely begs for repeated and close viewings and analysis. (I’d love to have a proper presentation of this film, with illuminating extras and something like an Adrian Martin commentary, like the one he made for Beware of a Holy Whore.) And the despair, bordering on cynicism, and the focus on death as the only possible, or desirable, ending or escape (right off the bat the subtitle lets us know this is A comedy in six parts about party games full of tension, excitement and logic, cruelty and madness, similar to fairy tales told to children to help them bear their lives unto death,which is a followed in the first scene by a playing of the ending of Bresson’s Le Diable probablement), seems to reach a peak here.

I really find Thomsen very compelling in his writing on this film, which he considers perhaps the director’s most radical and important. Schopenhauer’s ideas are really foregrounded in this film (just as they were very present also in the preceding In a Year with 13 Moons), starting with the revolutionaries/terrorists’ repeated slogan “the world as will and imagination”. Thomsen summarizes how the philosophers’ ideas are used here thusly: “(T)he world is the way that will and imagination make it. If the existing world nevertheless does not correspond to what we have imagined and our will is not strong enough to assert our ideas in the world, we still have the fragile possibility of existing in art or in dreams (…) “(A)rt and dreams allow utopia and the will to life to be expressed anew again and again, defying the prevailing conditions of existence.” (p. 264) Art is the only – temporary – escape. He then argues that just like the characters in the film, the terrorists, turn their ideas into an aesthetic expression, i.e. street theater, because the world can’t be changed in any other way, Fassbinder’s own film, through its “irritating” form, expresses that same idea that survival is possible only in the “aesthetic will to form”. More specifically, the film itself “takes up the madness of society into its formal language and simultaneously distances itself”, and in this way expresses the fact that escape is not possible (which by contrast a linear narrative would have suggested), while also asserting that a kind of survival is possible – until the eventual true liberation that is death – through the aesthetic putting-into-form of this lucid awareness of this very fact that survival in this society is impossible (p. 263).

To me, those ideas appear a potential key to understand not just this specific film – although it may be the clearest expression of them (and therefore why Thomsen considers it the most important) –, but Fassbinder’s general artistic and philosophical manifesto in these later years when his hopelessness and quasi-misanthropy are at their highest. His editor Juliane Lorenz seemed to make a similar point, in the interview that’s featured on the Artificial Eye DVD for In a Year with 13 Moons, when she says that the only way Fassbinder could survive and overcome Armin Meier’s death was to create the film that he made. Will to form again.

Now if you’ll pardon this long-ish digression…

I don’t know if this makes Fassbinder’s cinema at this point in history unique or radically original in its ideas, but of course the vision communicated is not entirely unique or new in the history of ideas and art in general. If anything, it places him in direct continuity with a whole trend of post-Romantic artistic and philosophical thought that’s initiated in the 19th century (and has continued to manifest into the present day, as part of our modernity) and in which interestingly the German tradition is particularly noteworthy.

I’m inspired here by a book I’ve cherished for a few decades, philosopher Charles Taylor’s Sources of the Self: The Making of the Modern Identity, and more to the point here the chapter “Visions of the Post-Romantic Age”. This background material couldn’t help being brought to my mind as I watched these films while reading Thomsen’s articulation of the ideas they convey. In a more secularized (Western) society, say at the turn of the 19th century or thereabouts, when religion was no longer the only horizon available for identifying what was most highly valued, the Romantics initiated a new, spiritual exaltation of art: art, conceived as epiphanic, had a spiritual significance (and it can be argued that this notion culturally is still very much with us today). Realizing an epiphany is achieving or recovering contact with what Taylor calls a “moral source”, something that fosters, and/or itself constitutes, a spiritually significant fulfilment or wholeness.

Taylor then traces how, in various transformations of Romanticism in the 19th century, there are reversals of some of its core features, while this exaltation of art, however, continues to thrive and develop, and this where I find Fassbinder’s mature thought or artistic vision finds a certain kinship. The author brings up the French poet Baudelaire’s vision as one of the key transformations. For Baudelaire, unlike the Romantics, nature is no longer an idealized moral source, something with which (out there or in ourselves) we can connect to in order to realize this spiritual connection. Instead the world is ugly, ordinary and fallen. But at the same time Baudelaire (unlike the Realists), and in continuity with the Romantics, does not deny the spiritual but constantly affirms it. There is a “transcendent aspiration to purity”, but one that artifice provides – art and the imagination have the power to correct and purify nature, and in epiphany reveal a spiritual world lying behind the fallen world (p. 436-40). As with the Romantics, the antidote to social-spiritual problems lives in art.

Interestingly, Taylor then presents Schopenhauer’s equally misanthropic but even more pessimistic thought as yet another key transformation of Romanticism, where once again key aspects of the Romantic worldview are negated, while some, like its attitude to art, is reaffirmed. Taylor summarizes the German philosopher’s thought in this regard in the following way: Schopenhauer also articulates, like the Romantics, the notion of nature as a source of power. But unlike the Romantics it is not a spiritual source of good, it is completely amoral – “nothing but wild, blind, uncontrolled striving, never satisfied, incapable of satisfaction, driving us on, against all principles, law, morality…”, with its only aim being to perpetuate itself (p. 442). A character in The Third Generation quotes Schopenhauer as asserting that the existence of a human being is no important than that of a stone.

However, there are a few “positive” dimensions in this philosophy, and one of them that’s key is that Schopenhauer offered a notion of transfiguration through art. Although people cannot achieve a total liberation, “we can manage to quiet the will in us when we grasp the Ideas, the eternal forms which underlie the particular examples we meet in the world of objectifications of the will on their various levels. We encounter these principally in art.” (p. 443)

Here’s where the connection with these later works of Fassbinder reveals itself most strongly. I’d argue that one key difference with Fassbinder, however, is that his stance isn’t ultimately metaphysical – he isn’t damning the universe or whatever forces are behind nature, like Baudelaire or Schopenhauer, but the socio/political/psychological patterns that condition human life. So that his vision isn’t as absolutely misanthropic or pessimistic as those writers. It’s human society, or how it’s conditioned to have become, that is the nightmare. But practically, in terms of human existence, the results are nevertheless the same since there aren’t really solutions to those problems, and it isn’t really possible to escape, so that again, by this point in Fassbinder’s thought, the only means of survival (or seeing/realizing the good?) is, temporarily, through an expressive, aesthetic transfiguration.

I’ll leave off these reflections here, but I do find it interesting to see how Taylor goes on to suggest how Schopenhauer’s influence was massive in late 19th century Europe, including over a lot of German-Austrian writers and artists who fostered their own “theories of transfiguration through creative expression” (p. 444). For the young Nietzsche, art “justifies” reality. For Wagner, the world is transfigured through tragedy, which makes it worthwhile. With Mahler, the Schopenhauer notions are developed in Christian terms). Similar ideas are at work of author Thomas Mann. (It’s interesting to note here that a major piece of music early on in In a Year of 13 Moons is the use of the 4th Adagietto movement of Mahler’s 5th Symphony, and that, as related by Juliane Lorenz, Fassbinder took it from Visconti’s filmed adaptation of Mann’s Death in Venice.) So that as radical as Fassbinder’s artistic vision in the late 1970s is for German cinema, and maybe cinema in general, it arguably finds its place within a long German, and more largely European, artistic and philosophical tradition.

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Re: Auteur List: Rainer Werner Fassbinder

#147 Post by zedz » Mon Nov 08, 2021 3:19 pm

You digress all you like: that was great.

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Re: Auteur List: Rainer Werner Fassbinder

#148 Post by Rayon Vert » Mon Nov 08, 2021 5:11 pm

Thank you zedz - that post felt a bit like being back at university and writing a paper, though only the pleasurable parts!

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Re: Auteur List: Rainer Werner Fassbinder

#149 Post by zedz » Mon Nov 08, 2021 6:49 pm

Interesting tidbit from Love Is Colder Than Death: apparently Fassbinder was roped into Lili Marleen at Schygulla's insistence, and he got his revenge on her by not directing her in the film: a nasty little bit of farewell sabotage to his Galatea.

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Re: Auteur List: Rainer Werner Fassbinder

#150 Post by zedz » Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:56 pm

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God of the Plague (1970) - Fassbinder's third film sees a leap ahead in cinematic sophistication and might be the best of his early genre movies, Whereas his first two features were in visual terms relentlessly linear, with blocking, composition and camera and character movement tending to be organized in single planes (x-axis, z-axis), he's now staging action in depth within a single frame (which is only fitting for a filmmaker who idolized Raoul Walsh), including some nice attempts at deep focus shots and unusual angles (e.g. looking diagonally up at the characters over a car bonnet). Alongside the richer compositions we find much more expressive lighting (often in a noir style) and sharper, more pointed cutting.

The uninflected Antiteater performance style of the early films is also starting to accumulate nuance, at times becoming more Bressonian than simply blank (as with the early exchange of glances between Harry Baer and Margarethe von Trotta). Baer plays Franz more zombified than the other characters, but that's fitting given his recent deinstitutionlization. There are other innovations, both industry standard (a helicopter shot!) and Antiteater R&D (a curious back and forth tracking shot of Jan George that's supposed to evoke the viewpoint of his pacing superior, except that the superior is mostly not looking at him in the reverse shot). A good, solid film, his first that succeeds on relatively conventional terms.

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