The Lists Project

An ongoing project to survey the best films of individual decades, genres, and filmmakers.
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Re: The Lists Project

#2276 Post by Rayon Vert » Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:29 pm

domino harvey wrote:
Sat Sep 01, 2018 10:11 am
So, what does this mean? Well, below is our schedule through 2022. Other than the Oscar, Horror, and Chabrol lists, which I purposely scheduled, the order of all other post-Allen lists was decided with a random generator

10/18 - 12/18 Pre-Code Hollywood Mini List
12/18 - 02/19 Screwball Comedies Mini List
02/19 - 03/19 Woody Allen Auteur List
03/19 - 05/19 Best Picture Mini List Trio: Nominees (thru 1968) + Nominees (1969-Present) + Winners (All Years)
06/19 - 08/19 Claude Chabrol Auteur List
08/19 - 09/19 Shakespeare Adaptations Mini List
10/19 - 04/20 Horror List Redux
04/20 - 05/20 Billy Wilder Auteur List
06/20 - 07/20 Howard Hawks Auteur List
08/20 - 02/21 Sci-Fi List
03/21 - 04/21 Otto Preminger Auteur List
05/21 - 06/21 Best First Features Mini List
07/21 - 08/21 RW Fassbinder Auteur List
08/21 - 09/21 Akira Kurosawa Auteur List
10/21 - 11/21 Czechoslovak New Wave Mini List
11/21 - 03/22 Musicals List Redux
So I lost the plot here a bit. Is Preminger now coming after Grant?

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Re: The Lists Project

#2277 Post by domino harvey » Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:21 am

Yes. I need to update the sched

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Re: The Lists Project

#2278 Post by domino harvey » Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:12 pm

I've updated the list. Relevant part is here:
domino harvey wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:34 pm
Guide to all recent and on-going List Projects

Genre & Other Non-Decade Lists

Currently run by: domino harvey
Decisions on the next genres to be tackled are always under discussion here. If you have a suggestion, lobby for it there or contact the current genre list tallier to make your voice heard!

03/21 - 04/21 CARY GRANT (Star List)
04/21 - 06/21 OTTO PREMINGER (Auteur List)
06/21 - 07/21 BEST FIRST FEATURES (Mini-List)
07/21 - 08/21 TBD INTERNATIONAL STAR (Star List)
09/21 - 10/21 RAINER WERNER FASSBINDER (Auteur List)
11/21 - 12/21 JAMES STEWART (Star List)
12/21 - 02/22 AKIRA KUROSAWA (Auteur List)
02/22 - 04/22 CZECHOSLOVAK NEW WAVE (Mini-List)
04/22 - 05/22 TBD INTERNATIONAL STAR (Star List)
06/22 - 10/22 MUSICALS REDUX
11/22 - 12/22 TBD HOLLYWOOD STAR (Star List)
We will do a vote for the International Stars sometime in the next couple months. Same as the Hollywood one, we'll do a list for the winner and the runner up (or tied first, as was the case with the Hollywood vote)

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Re: The Lists Project

#2279 Post by Rayon Vert » Mon Apr 05, 2021 4:24 pm

Thanks domino, sounds good. And I didn't know there was a specific thread for the list projects' calendar, so that's good to know also.

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Re: The Lists Project

#2280 Post by Ghersh » Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:40 pm

Good job pushing back Kurosawa, I have to rewatch most of them anyway.

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Re: The Lists Project

#2281 Post by Never Cursed » Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:46 pm

A question about the first features list: if a director's first credited film was a co-project with another director, does their first solo film also count for the purposes of the list? Or, to be more precise with my inquiry, is Ce Soir ou Jamais eligible for the list, given that it is Michel Deville's first credited solo feature, or is it ineligible given that Deville had earlier co-directed Une balle dans le canon?

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Re: The Lists Project

#2282 Post by therewillbeblus » Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:59 pm

It's not up to me but I think Une balle dans le canon has Deville's fingerprints so clearly embedded in its final product that it's highly likely he was holding the reigns, though maybe that doesn't matter

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Re: The Lists Project

#2283 Post by knives » Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:59 pm

therewillbeblus wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:59 pm
It's not up to me but I think Une balle dans le canon has Deville's fingerprints so clearly embedded in its final product that it's highly likely he was holding the reigns, though maybe that doesn't matter
Fellini is another interesting case for this.

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Re: The Lists Project

#2284 Post by swo17 » Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:03 pm

Fellini had no first film. There was his halfth and then his one and a halfth

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Re: The Lists Project

#2285 Post by Ghersh » Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:10 pm

Right, Fellini is counted in full and half films...

How many films are required in the debut feature list? I'd love to participate, but only if the number isn't too high.

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Re: The Lists Project

#2286 Post by domino harvey » Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:11 pm

My thinking is first solo film credit unless they are always part of a duo (Dayton/Faris) or there was credit muckery (Blood Simple is it for any of the Coens, period). But West Side Story is eligible for Jerome Robbins only. Feature will be any film over 40 minutes. Borderline cases and pleas for exceptions dealt with case by case as usual

As far as Preminger goes, I've read bits and pieces of the two big Preminger tomes that came out around the same time a while ago, but a lot of the (re)assessment comes from recent times. There was a long, long period where Preminger was viewed as a bad director (probably in part to his well-earned reputation as a total asshole) and was even joked about the same way we joke about Stanley Kramer or Michael Bay here. Times have changed a bit, but there's still some resistance. Certainly he poses a challenge for those who grade filmmakers on a curve of whether they agree with them morally-- he was a voracious defier of conventional mores and was truly progressive in his filmmaking output and to some degree production... and he was also an almost unbearable jerk to everyone he worked with and may very well have enjoyed these thumbs of the nose at rules from a position of raconteur as much as anything noble.

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Re: The Lists Project

#2287 Post by Never Cursed » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:54 pm

domino harvey wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:11 pm
My thinking is first solo film credit unless they are always part of a duo (Dayton/Faris) or there was credit muckery (Blood Simple is it for any of the Coens, period). But West Side Story is eligible for Jerome Robbins only. Feature will be any film over 40 minutes. Borderline cases and pleas for exceptions dealt with case by case as usual
Thanks for the clarification!

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Re: The Lists Project

#2288 Post by domino harvey » Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:09 pm

Let's pick this up here

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Re: The Lists Project

#2289 Post by therewillbeblus » Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:15 pm

domino harvey wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:09 pm
Let's pick this up here
Is it possible to move some of the Preminger-focused posts into the thread? I don't have more to say right now, but it'd be nice to reference this conversation as I do go through more, or if as others go through his work they view his auteurist position differently, etc. If not, that's fine.

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Re: The Lists Project

#2290 Post by domino harvey » Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:18 pm

Yeah, sure

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Re: The Lists Project

#2291 Post by therewillbeblus » Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:24 pm

Cool, thanks

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Re: The Lists Project

#2292 Post by therewillbeblus » Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:29 pm

Q about the International Stars list- will you be tallying a survey based on what's been stated casually in this thread like last time, or will there be a more formal period of throwing out names for ideas (basically what I'm wondering is, should I be waiting until an announcement or be posting a list of int. stars at random here sometime within the next few months so as not to miss an opportunity to have my voice heard/get Elisa Carricajo on the shortlist)

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Re: The Lists Project

#2293 Post by domino harvey » Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:50 pm

Throw out names away. I will be collecting most likely responses into another survey, yes

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Re: The Lists Project

#2294 Post by therewillbeblus » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:44 pm

Cool:

Mathieu Amalric
Charlotte Gainsbourg
Michael Lonsdale
Anna Karina
Ken Ogata
Juliette Binoche
Jean-Pierre Léaud
Youn Yuh-jung
David Thewlis
Emmanuelle Riva
Marcello Mastroianni
Monica Vitti

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Re: The Lists Project

#2295 Post by swo17 » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:47 pm

From my previous list of suggestions:

Michel Simon
Jean-Paul Belmondo
Toshiro Mifune
Alain Delon
Klaus Kinski
Tony Leung
Jackie Chan
Isaach De Bankolé

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Re: The Lists Project

#2296 Post by therewillbeblus » Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:56 pm

So much testosterone

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Re: The Lists Project

#2297 Post by Matt » Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:04 pm

I would love to participate in an Alain Delon, Catherine Deneuve, or Isabelle Huppert list if I didn’t feel obligated to watch dozens of terrible films only to pick the same 20 I already know I like. Let’s do Falconetti or Björk.

Wait, do British people count as international? One vote for Julie Christie.

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Re: The Lists Project

#2298 Post by therewillbeblus » Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:09 pm

That's the problem with the star lists in general, when we're picking actors who have such extensive filmographies there are more vapid duds than the auteur lists, but that's also the most interesting way to do them

I don't see why British wouldn't count- hence my Thewlis nom

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Re: The Lists Project

#2299 Post by soundchaser » Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:18 pm

Standing by Juliette Binoche

(I know I've abdicated the Grant list, but extenuating circumstances and all.)

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Re: The Lists Project

#2300 Post by knives » Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:21 pm

Mastroianni was the top of my mental list. I’d like to see us tackle an actress though if just because of my own feelings of inadequacy so I’ll also second Denevue though maybe we can do a left field choice like SUGIMURA Haruko.

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