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Re: Jean-Luc Godard

#1201 Post by domino harvey » Tue Dec 03, 2024 1:44 pm

The guy who runs Radiance literally said he likes every Truffaut film and would release them all if able to do so. So those releases aren’t the product of a sea change of rehabilitation, they’re the result of a fan having access to the means of release

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Re: Jean-Luc Godard

#1202 Post by rrenault » Tue Dec 03, 2024 1:47 pm

domino harvey wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2024 1:44 pm
The guy who runs Radiance literally said he likes every Truffaut film and would release them all if able to do so. So those releases aren’t the product of a sea change of rehabilitation, they’re the result of a fan having access to the means of release
Fair enough, although Kent Jones(former head of the NYFF) is also on the "Truffaut's late films are misunderstood works of genius" train.

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Re: Jean-Luc Godard

#1203 Post by pistolwink » Tue Dec 03, 2024 3:54 pm

Never Cursed wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2024 10:51 am
Yeah, it's kind of an about-face to begin one's career railing against critics/awards bait and end it consciously making films in the exact same vein
In a sense, this is just called "getting older" and it's the trajectory of lots of artists. I guess what stands out about Truffaut is the degree of vitriol he directed at the objects of his scorn when he was a young man.

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Re: Jean-Luc Godard

#1204 Post by Michael Kerpan » Tue Dec 03, 2024 3:59 pm

Never Cursed -- Looked at the trailer for Pastoral Symphony and that looks pretty dire -- much worse (to me) than any late Truffaut. ;-)

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Re: Jean-Luc Godard

#1205 Post by Never Cursed » Tue Dec 03, 2024 4:53 pm

pistolwink wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2024 3:54 pm
Never Cursed wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2024 10:51 am
Yeah, it's kind of an about-face to begin one's career railing against critics/awards bait and end it consciously making films in the exact same vein
In a sense, this is just called "getting older" and it's the trajectory of lots of artists. I guess what stands out about Truffaut is the degree of vitriol he directed at the objects of his scorn when he was a young man.
He was only willing to put his money where his mouth was for the early moments of his career, though, unlike most of the artists with whom he was associated. While it’s unfortunate he never made it to the age where he could have taken up an elder-statesman reputation like Godard/Rohmer/Rivette/Varda etc. did, he became a less interesting and important filmmaker just as those other artists were hitting their stride. Are you really gonna tell me that he had just as vital a run in the 1970s as most of the remaining directors of the NV?
Michael Kerpan wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2024 3:59 pm
Never Cursed -- Looked at the trailer for Pastoral Symphony and that looks pretty dire -- much worse (to me) than any late Truffaut. ;-)
The studio-Hollywood-aping trailer does the film no favors; it’s crushing rather than melodramatic. Michele Morgan is fantastic. Domino summed it up better elsewhere than I could, and he’s right to position it as a perfect sort of tragedy where “everyone has his reasons.”

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Re: Jean-Luc Godard

#1206 Post by rrenault » Tue Dec 03, 2024 7:51 pm

If it’s between Truffaut’s post-Soft Skin output and Godard’s post-Weekend output, then Godard wins for me every time, but I also think one could argue the things people criticize Ike Truffaut’s later work was already present on some level in his heavily praised first 2-3 features, although maybe they had a certain « effervescence » and « flair » the later stuff lacked. I say that as a fan of The 400 Blows and Jules and Jim by the way.

I think Truffaut had a certain utopian view that there was artistic merit in the unbridled enjoyment of « the movies ». This innocent view of « the movies » is certainly one Godard never fully shared, and I personally agree more with JLG on this point, but that’s not what’s important here. It’s merely to point out that « Truffaut the middlebrow sellout » is arguably a misguided characterization of his life story. I still think the guy who made Mississippi Mermaid is the same guy who wrote « A Certain Tendency ». If you think about it, « Mermaid » and The Woman Next Door with their semi-Hitchcockian themes really have more in common with the genre films they praised at Cahiers in the fifties than with the stiff and stuffy literary adaptations that fell under the umbrella of The Tradition of Quality.

As for ‘68, it’s important to keep in mind Truffaut came from a dirt poor working class background and called Godard, the offspring of bankers who founded BNP Paribas (this is partly why JLG’s offhanded remark in that interview about Truffaut being rich feels a tad disingenuous), the Ursula Andres of activists or something of that nature. So Truffaut may have perceived many of the protesters as Marx and Coca Cola kids raised with a silver spoon in their mouth. Saying « well Truffaut was a tone deaf reactionary out of touch with the issues of the day » is probably not entirely accurate. He wasn’t a Louis Malle-type who’d never really left his bourgeois bubble. Even Pasolini at that time said something to the effect that the police clashing with the protesters were « the real working class » and not the student protesters themselves. I’m sure Costa-Gavras was very much on board with the protests, but I’d hardly say his films are any less middlebrow than Truffaut’s. Just my two cents.

I think for Godard there was always deep down this never quite directly expressed sentiment that cinema’s highest calling was to make Red Desert/Ordet/Au Hasard Balthazar type films whereas Truffaut felt « the movies » were already fine as they are and shouldn’t have any need to aspire to a certain level of cultural legitimacy. For Truffaut it was self-evident that movies « were » art, even if some were great and others weren’t.

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#1207 Post by hearthesilence » Wed Dec 04, 2024 12:05 am

I wouldn't go to the mat for everything Truffaut did later in his career, but I'm reluctant to dismiss all of those films as if they were all misguided for similar reasons - what I like, I love as much as my favorites from his earlier years, and I wouldn't call such favorites as The Green Room and The Story of Adèle H. the kind of films he railed against as a younger critic either, nor do they seem like the kind of pandering films designed to win awards. I have my reservations about others that seem like that, but he didn't give his whole career into that - at worst he pragmatically split his time between easier to fund crowd pleasers and more disturbing works.

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#1208 Post by rrenault » Wed Dec 04, 2024 6:38 am

The Last Metro probably does qualify as the kind of film he railed against as a young critic to be fair.

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#1209 Post by The Curious Sofa » Wed Dec 04, 2024 7:07 am

rrenault wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 6:38 am
The Last Metro probably does qualify as the kind of film he railed against as a young critic to be fair.
...and that's about the only one that could be described as awards bait or "le cinéma de papa". Otherwise, I like most of Truffaut's later films and I count The Green Room and The Woman Next Door among my favorites of his. Both are dark, deeply idiosyncratic and far from ingratiating. His takes on romantic love are no less discomforting than those of Hitchcock or Fassbinder.


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#1211 Post by Oedipax » Fri Dec 13, 2024 1:55 pm

Scénarios and Exposé du film annonce du film "Scénario" have been put up for sale as some sort of NFT that will cost approximately $2681.25.

A truly unfortunate circumstance but I trust the films will be liberated soon enough (Kiyoshi Kurosawa's Chime was released by the same distributor and I've certainly seen that one floating around, so...)

Perhaps a group buy could work, say $20 each from around 134 JLG devotees? I really hate that JLG's swan song went out this way.

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#1212 Post by domino harvey » Fri Dec 13, 2024 1:58 pm

Is this different than what Kino already put out on Blu earlier this year?

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#1213 Post by swo17 » Fri Dec 13, 2024 2:07 pm

Yes, that was Godard Cinema + Film annonce du film qui n'existéra jamais: 'Drôles de guerres'

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#1214 Post by hearthesilence » Fri Dec 13, 2024 4:28 pm

I feel less bad about paying $30 to see these two at the NYFF. (Not that I felt bad, they were good.)

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#1215 Post by Red Screamer » Sun Dec 15, 2024 8:10 pm

Could anyone by chance point me to the original French text of Godard's article "Chacun son Tours" in Cahiers du Cinéma n.92, February 1959? I don't have my copy with me.

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Re: Jean-Luc Godard

#1216 Post by diamonds » Sun Dec 15, 2024 8:17 pm

Red Screamer wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2024 8:10 pm
Could anyone by chance point me to the original French text of Godard's article "Chacun son Tours" in Cahiers du Cinéma n.92, February 1959? I don't have my copy with me.
Does this work?

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#1217 Post by Red Screamer » Sun Dec 15, 2024 8:50 pm

Perfect, thanks. I looked there, but couldn't pull it up for some reason.

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#1218 Post by Balthazar » Wed Jan 08, 2025 8:31 pm

Scénarios/Exposé du film annonce du film “Scénario”

These both landed really well for me. For whatever reason I haven't seen Godard's early 21st century work, so can’t speak to the differences/similarities there. But Scénarios is very much in keeping with Drôles de Guerres, and there's an obvious through line to Exposé... from one of the early lines in The Image Book: "man's true condition - to think with his hands". These final works struck me as stronger variations on the themes.

Even in 2024 there's an undeniable resonance to a Godard montage that slots Only Angels Have Wings in between Week-end and Le Mépris. Or should that be ‘especially in 2024’: you watch these films very conscious of the fact they are his last, and of the premeditated nature of that decision. The final scene of Scénarios, which adds some bathos to the valediction (and which was apparently filmed just a day prior to his final appointment, as it were), makes this explicit.

Exposé... provides a different look behind the curtain, insofar as we see Godard, on-screen, talking us (and his colleagues) through the scrapbooks he created with a view to making a somewhat different Scénarios. Those books are again pretty close in style to the ones used in DdG, but it brought to mind nothing so much as Histoire(s) du Cinema. It’s really fruitful to be able to see how his thought processes link the images, the citations and the quotations together, and how something similar may have played out between 1988 and 1998. Of course time’s marched on since then, and again the film doesn’t shy away from acknowledging that this is a man in his 90s, an auteur whose DoP and others must occasionally help prod him in the right direction in more ways than one. Not exactly a handing over of the baton, but an acknowledgement all the same that this was a collaborative exercise.

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#1219 Post by Stefan Andersson » Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:16 pm

"world premiere of “Rolle: Inventaire” (2024) by Fabrice Aragno and Jean-Paul Battaggia":
https://www.serralves.pt/en/atividades- ... -scenario/

Exposition of JLG´s still images:
https://www.serralves.pt/en/ciclo-serra ... uc-godard/

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#1220 Post by domino harvey » Wed Jan 15, 2025 6:31 am

From a Letterboxd review of La repentie
Read a few months ago “Adjani aux pieds nus » written by producer Michèle Halberstadt where she journals the whole production of La Repentie.
(…)
Anecdotes of Alain Delon turning down Samy Frey’s role, an unexpected story of how Jean Luc Godard designed a productions logo and demanded a suspicious amount of money to the executives
Anyone familiar with this?


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#1222 Post by Stefan Andersson » Fri Feb 07, 2025 7:15 pm

Fabrice Aragno and Nicole Brenez on Droles de guerre:
https://cinemasparagus.blogspot.com/202 ... -film.html

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