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Re: Warner Brothers Archive Collection Blu-rays

#1551 Post by bottlesofsmoke » Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:19 pm

hearthesilence wrote:
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It's been growing on me a lot too, and I wouldn't hesitate to call it one of Tourneur's greatest films, rivaled only by a few others. I think I've posted about it here before, especially after I caught it projected. I already had Warner Archive's DVD-R, but I was really happy to catch it on what may have been a brand new film print. Every time I see it there's something else to discover - for example, at one point, it sunk in that the film really understood what people did in their free time in those days. (The novel it came from was based on the author's own memories and experiences as a child from that era, so that probably helped.) Most of what I do in my free time wouldn't be possible then or in that setting - it can really be a beautiful portrait of rural life before the modern era. But as you mentioned, there's definitely an ugliness, and I think Tourneur subtly never forgets this. It's possible it's not intentional or he isn't completely aware of it, but even in the happy ending, the racial divide is clearly still there. Josiah may have shamed the men (the KKK) out of lynching Uncle Famous, but as much as it's a relief to see him in the window at the end, it tells you something that a devout, God-fearing man like Uncle Famous isn't in the church with them on that Sunday morning, but walking in the opposite direction.
Absolutely. Many of my favorite parts of the movie are those those that don’t really serve the strict plot at all, such as the medicine show or when Dean Stockwell and his friend are riding in the back of the hay wagon. In many ways it reminds me of another one of my favorite films, Meet Me in St. Louis, in that it is episodic and nostalgic, suffused with the warm glow of remembrance.
Yet Stars in My Crown unlike many nostalgic movies, especially westerns, doesn’t paper over the darker side of the past and presents it in all its ugliness when appropriate, nor does it offer some great final victory over prejudice. As you say, Famous may have been saved, but he’s still segregated, while the klan hoods go back into storage until next time.

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Re: Warner Brothers Archive Collection Blu-rays

#1552 Post by L.A. » Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:59 am

THE PRIVATE LIVES OF ELIZABETH & ESSEX (1939) New 2021 1080p HD Master sourced from 4k scan of Original Technicolor Negatives!
Run Time 106:00
Subtitles English SDH
Audio Specs DTS HD-Master Audio 2.0 - English, MONO - English
Aspect Ratio 1.37:1, 4x3 FULL FRAME
Disc Configuration BD 50
SPECIAL FEATURES: Leonard Maltin Hosts Warner Night at the Movies 1939 with Newsreel, Musical Short "The Royal Rodeo", Cartoon "Old Glory" and Theatrical Trailer; Featurette "Elizabeth and Essex: Battle Royale"

Bette Davis and Errol Flynn made The Private Lives of Elizabeth and Essex fascinatingly public, striking sparks in this lavish Technicolor® tale of the ill-fated love between the aging Elizabeth I and the dashing Earl of Essex. Thoroughly unglamorous here – eyes and hairline shaved, face painted chalky white – double Academy Award® winner* Davis exudes such intelligence, energy and ardor that her romance with the decades-younger Essex (Flynn at the peak of his remarkable good looks and athletic verve) is completely believable. Based on Maxwell Anderson’s play Elizabeth the Queen and directed by Michael Curtiz, this nominee for five Oscars® takes liberties with historical accuracy, but none with dramatic impact. Long may these tempestuous, titled lovers reign!

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#1553 Post by FrauBlucher » Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:12 pm

THEY WON'T BELIEVE ME (1947)

NEW 2021 1080p HD Master Sourced from 4k scan of Nitrate Preservation Elements of Original 95 Minute Release Version!

Run Time 95:00
Subtitles English SDH
Audio Specs DTS HD-Master Audio 2.0 - English, MONO - English
Aspect Ratio 1.37:1, 4x3 FULL FRAME
Product Color BLACK & WHITE
Disc Configuration BD 50

Special Feature: Introduction by Film Noir Historian/TCM Host Eddie Muller.

Robert Young stars in They Won’t Believe Me, an absorbing film noir melodrama. The original RKO publicity tells the story: “When a man goes to the devil he usually takes a woman with him...this man took THREE!” Young plays a dirty rotten scoundrel who sponges off his wealthy wife (Rita Johnson), seduces and abandons another woman (Jane Greer) and runs off with a third (Susan Hayward). Returning home, Young plots to murder his wife and get away with her money, but a series of ironic plot twists leaves him battling for his life. The role of faithless cad was a startling change of pace for Young, and he pulls it off brilliantly. Irving Pichel directed Jonathan Latimer’s uncompromising script.

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Re: Warner Brothers Archive Collection Blu-rays

#1554 Post by FrauBlucher » Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:11 pm

Not really one of my favorites but nonetheless here we go...
THE YEARLING (1946) New 2021 1080p HD Master sourced from 4k scan of Original Technicolor Negative!
Run Time 128:00
Subtitles English SDH
Audio Specs DTS HD-Master Audio 1.0 - English
Aspect Ratio 1.37:1, 4x3 FULL FRAME
Product Color COLOR
Disc Configuration BD 50
SPECIAL FEATURES: Screen Guild Players Radio Broadcast; Cartoon Cat Concerto; Theatrical Trailer

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#1555 Post by captveg » Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:41 pm

The Private Lives of Elizabeth and Essex is far from my favorite Flynn, De Havilland or Davis film, but the 2005 DVD had such bad Technicolor misregistration that this clip on YouTube is a revelation. Kudos to WB for what seems like a fantastic presentation.

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#1556 Post by FrauBlucher » Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:30 pm

Wow. They are so damn wonderfully consistent.

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#1557 Post by FrauBlucher » Mon Apr 05, 2021 6:02 pm

MR. BLANDINGS BUILDS HIS DREAMHOUSE (1948) New 2021 1080p HD Master sourced from 4k scan of Original Nitrate Camera Negative!
Run Time 94:00
Subtitles English SDH
Audio Specs DTS HD-Master Audio 2.0 - English, MONO - English
Aspect Ratio 1.37:1, 4x3 FULL FRAME
Disc Configuration BD 50
Special Features: Classic Cartoon: "House of Tomorrow"; Lux Radio Theater with Cary Grant and Irene Dunne; Screen Director's Playhouse with Betsy Drake and Cary Grant (radio program); Theatrical Trailer

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#1558 Post by FrauBlucher » Mon Apr 05, 2021 7:45 pm

ATHENA (1954) NEW 2021 1080p HD Remaster!
Run Time 96:00
Subtitles English SDH
Audio Specs STEREO - English, DTS HD-Master Audio 2.0 - English
Aspect Ratio 16 X 9 Widescreen, 1.75:1
Product Color COLOR
Disc Configuration BD 50
SPECIAL FEATURES: 3 Outtake Musical Numbers: “Competition Dance,” “Imagine (Second Reprise)” with Vic Damone and Debbie Reynolds and “Love Can Change the Stars (Duet Reprise)” with Jane Powell and Edmund Purdum ; Theatrical Trailer

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#1559 Post by Red Screamer » Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:10 pm

I liked the Athena DVDs inclusion of raw footage for the outtakes. Especially the Damone-Reynolds number, which presents three or so takes of the same blocking from different angles. It gives you a sense of the industrial nuts and bolts of musicals and seems to indicate some serious indecision (or hackwork) on the part of the director.

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#1560 Post by Matt » Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:38 am

Red Screamer wrote:
Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:10 pm
...seems to indicate some serious indecision (or hackwork) on the part of the director.
The very definition of hackwork. It would have been expected for a 1950s studio contract director to shoot coverage of just about any scene (not just musical numbers) from multiple angles to provide insurance of a good take and options for the editor. This is why you always hear tall tales of maverick directors like Orson Welles, John Ford, and John Huston shooting only one take or one angle on a scene to prevent the studio editors from chopping it up or inserting closeups. And directors would generally be forbidden from participating in the editing process unless they were also producers.

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#1561 Post by HJackson » Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:52 am

FrauBlucher wrote:
Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:12 pm
THEY WON'T BELIEVE ME (1947)

NEW 2021 1080p HD Master Sourced from 4k scan of Nitrate Preservation Elements of Original 95 Minute Release Version!

Run Time 95:00
Subtitles English SDH
Audio Specs DTS HD-Master Audio 2.0 - English, MONO - English
Aspect Ratio 1.37:1, 4x3 FULL FRAME
Product Color BLACK & WHITE
Disc Configuration BD 50

Special Feature: Introduction by Film Noir Historian/TCM Host Eddie Muller.

Robert Young stars in They Won’t Believe Me, an absorbing film noir melodrama. The original RKO publicity tells the story: “When a man goes to the devil he usually takes a woman with him...this man took THREE!” Young plays a dirty rotten scoundrel who sponges off his wealthy wife (Rita Johnson), seduces and abandons another woman (Jane Greer) and runs off with a third (Susan Hayward). Returning home, Young plots to murder his wife and get away with her money, but a series of ironic plot twists leaves him battling for his life. The role of faithless cad was a startling change of pace for Young, and he pulls it off brilliantly. Irving Pichel directed Jonathan Latimer’s uncompromising script.
Is this its first proper appearance? Watched a really crappy Italian DVD of this so glad to get a chance to see it properly - I recall it being intriguing but I really can't give a fair shake to a movie in such bad nick these days.

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#1562 Post by domino harvey » Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:13 am

It aired on TCM in the longer version, but I don’t believe that version received any physical release until now. I’ve never seen the shorter version but the problems inherent in the longer cut wouldn’t be mitigated with fifteen minutes less on screen

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#1564 Post by Maltic » Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:24 pm

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I guess it's either SDH or poorly translated subtitles. You wonder, do they think the "authenticity" makes them desirable or is it simply to cut costs? Anyway, I can live with it.

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#1565 Post by dwk » Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:25 pm

Probably to cut costs. The batch of Hong Kong titles they released on DVD-R all had SDH dubtitles, and everyone complained about it. WAC clearly didn't listen.

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#1566 Post by Saturnome » Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:28 am

Stumbled upon a picture of a magazine that is featured in one of Blu-ray.com's screenshots of the new Doctor X release. An interesting occasion to see how 2-strip Technicolor goes with the color blue.
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#1567 Post by Matt » Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:09 am

Wong Kar-Wai is at it again!

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#1568 Post by domino harvey » Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:07 am

captveg wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:21 pm
Rachel and the Stranger (1948) - "This new presentation restores nearly 15 minutes of footage cut from the film over 65 years ago. Also restored is the screen credit for its blacklisted writer Waldo Salt, which was removed from the film by RKO for its 1954 theatrical re-release."
I thought this film was a mess but had moments where it all worked and overall I enjoyed it. Certainly a grim reminder of how talentless William Holden was pre-Sunset Boulevard (whatever Wilder saw in him to know he could unlock it is prob proof of his genius as much as anything else he gets credit for)-- Robert Mitchum runs circles around him without even trying (of course-- not like Mitchum ever tried!). The sentimental junk with the petulant kid hating Loretta Young got old fast, but the heart of the story, another interesting variant on the role of women in the frontier landscape of the Western, is strong and the vacillation of Young's role as either bond servant (or slave, as she puts it) and wife is effective. There's a good serious movie in here somewhere, but Hollywood as per usual got way ahead of itself and put in lots of four-quadrant appeals that dilute what works.

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#1569 Post by Stefan Andersson » Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:39 pm

Re: Private Lives of Elizabeth & Essex -- interesting discussion about Technicolor color grading (differences between original release and reissue prints) here:
https://www.hometheaterforum.com/commun ... 666/page-2
Post 24 is a good place to start (HD clip). Further on, Robert A. Harris and others make interesting contributions.

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#1570 Post by soundchaser » Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:52 pm

Stefan Andersson wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:39 pm
Re: Private Lives of Elizabeth & Essex -- interesting discussion about Technicolor color grading (differences between original release and reissue prints) here:
https://www.hometheaterforum.com/commun ... 666/page-2
Post 24 is a good place to start (HD clip). Further on, Robert A. Harris and others make interesting contributions.
Very interesting stuff...I'm inclined to agree with the poster who suggests the yellowing is not intended, but Harris is a formidable opponent. (I do wonder how much the lamp would have cooled these colors in projection...could this be a similar issue to the LUTs Ritrovata et al. apply on their restorations?) I'm looking at more of the Technicolor IV photographs on Flueckiger's (excellent) website, and I have to say that I've never seen a Blu-Ray of any of these films timed quite the way these prints look. Compare this image of The Red Shoes to this one of the restoration. It could just be me, but the print is notably more yellow. The Finnish print appears more green.

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#1571 Post by Nw_jahrles » Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:00 pm

It could be possible that there is a portion of people in film preservation (including Harris and Ritrovata) that believe the yellow tint is an authentic replication of seeing the film when it was released.

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#1572 Post by soundchaser » Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:17 pm

And they may very well be correct - I don't get many opportunities to see repertory prints in my neck of the woods, so I'm going off my home knowledge. But I can't imagine any but the dingiest theaters producing a cast as yellow as Harris is claiming to be correct here.

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#1573 Post by senseabove » Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:22 pm

I have seen E&E projected from a print, but I assume it was from what Harris says are the circa-1970s rerelease prints, because it definitely did not look that yellow (with the caveat that it's obviously been a whole minute since I saw that). Other than having that fresh-OCN-scan sheen, the WAC HD trailer looks about right from what I recall , and I do recall being pleased and impressed by how beautiful the colors were, which I doubt I'd've thought if it had a yellow tint that I would have assumed was age-related, not intentional color-timing. Harris seems to be saying that the OCN is closer to the natural palette of the rerelease, so it's an interesting test case for all our principled wingeing in the WKW thread. (And I note with pleasure that Harris's best-of-all-possible-worlds release is a two-disc edition with both color timings a la Reflections in a Golden Eye, like a good preservationist...)

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#1574 Post by Stefan Andersson » Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:29 pm

This is a bit off-topic, since Gone With the Wind is not a WAC Blu (right?), but this thread about GWTW contains interesting comments by Mr. Harris about color timings on various GWTW releases; generally relevant to the E & E discussion, I think:
https://www.hometheaterforum.com/commun ... ay.288543/
Thread also has interesting facts about reframings and redubbings for various releases of GWTW.

EDIT 1:
Interesting quote (abbreviated by me) from Mr. Harris, post 12 in the thread linked to above (my italics; I think that bit is relevant to the E & E / Giant / AMOLAD discussion and screen caps):
"Gone with the Wind has changed mightily over the decades. The original nitrates from 1939-41 were color timed much like titles such as Nothing Sacred and Little Princess. With the additional black & white record in place these early "four-strip" prints had a tendency toward dense, flat and heavily lowered color saturation. Unlike Oz, which was a fantasy film, or the later Fox musicals, which literally bounced off the screen with color, GWTW was relatively muted and tended toward an overall sepia tone reducing color. The last prints to look anything close to this, and which were still quite a distance away, were the 1954 safety re-issue prints. /.../

I've had several discussions over the years, probably the earliest with Turner's Dick May, who created the protection IP in the '80s, and they all center around what an audience recalls, and what a modern audience will accept. The bottom line is that while the color and density of an image can be gently pushed toward the original, it still must appeal to a modern audience. And what we're seeing in the Blu-ray of GWTW, as scanned and finalized at Warner's MPI via Ned Price, is not only a modern magnificent image in quality, but concurrently pays proper respect and tribute to Mr. Selznick and his team, who created the film. Mr. Price has access to all available color reference going back to 1939, has taken that information and molded it into something that I firmly believe David O. Selznick would not only recognize, but as a consummate showman, would approve for his audience of 2009."


EDIT 2:
Another GWTW link with relevant info and comments by Mr. Harris:
https://www.hometheaterforum.com/commun ... vd.208873/

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Re: Warner Brothers Archive Collection Blu-rays

#1575 Post by soundchaser » Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:47 pm

I was going to bring up Gone with the Wind, because while Harris is notably complimentary of the Blu-Ray (timed, as noted in the thread, based on a 1939 Technicolor reference print and NOT a later safety print), it's far less yellow than the print images on the Timeline of Film Color! He also mentions the "correct look" that "would not be appreciated by modern audiences" again...is that the yellow seen here, or something closer to the sepia cast on the Blu-Ray? I also definitely don't think it compares in any way to Nothing Sacred, but that's based only on Kino's latest Blu-Ray.

(I should say that I have a lot of respect for both Harris and Flueckiger, but I'm struggling to reconcile some of the information here.)

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