UHD Titles Worth/Not Worth Upgrading

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#126 Post by swo17 » Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:41 pm

Annoyingly, the standard UHD of Ten Commandments contains exactly the same discs as the most recent BD set except the one dedicated to the silent version
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It's The Fog. The pitch is wrong on both 5.1 and 2.0 tracks, as the latter is actually just a downmix of the former. Good opportunity for SF to improve on the SC, but only if they don't FUBAR the colours.
So what's currently the best available home video release of The Fog?

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#127 Post by EddieLarkin » Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:40 pm

Easily the Studio Canal UHD, regardless of pitch issues. The transfer used is vastly superior to any of those that appeared on BD. But as I said, it'll soon be used by Shout for their eventual UHD, so there's a chance that could become the definitive release.
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#128 Post by ShellOilJunior » Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:40 pm

Re:The Silence of the Lambs

I can see why Criterion did not snatch up UHD rights. I'll bet they had a look and passed. Kino stepped in and agreed to release it. Makes me wonder what's in store for Some Like It Hot.

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#129 Post by Calvin » Tue Oct 26, 2021 2:04 am

The issue with Silence of the Lambs would be a relatively easy fix. I'm sure Criterion didn't get UHD rights because they just weren't in that game at the time.

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#130 Post by dwk » Tue Oct 26, 2021 2:30 am

After the deal with those early Paramount license, I assume, just to future proof, Criterion would have picked up the UHD rights to titles like Silence of the Lambs had they been available.

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#131 Post by FlickeringWindow » Tue Oct 26, 2021 9:16 am

ShellOilJunior wrote:
Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:40 pm
Re:The Silence of the Lambs

I can see why Criterion did not snatch up UHD rights. I'll bet they had a look and passed. Kino stepped in and agreed to release it. Makes me wonder what's in store for Some Like It Hot.
Both the Criterion Blus and Kino UHDs are from the exact same 4K restorations.

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#132 Post by ShellOilJunior » Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:23 am

FlickeringWindow wrote:
Tue Oct 26, 2021 9:16 am
ShellOilJunior wrote:
Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:40 pm
Re:The Silence of the Lambs

I can see why Criterion did not snatch up UHD rights. I'll bet they had a look and passed. Kino stepped in and agreed to release it. Makes me wonder what's in store for Some Like It Hot.
Both the Criterion Blus and Kino UHDs are from the exact same 4K restorations.
Naturally, the respective blu-rays are unaffected but the UHD has the problem due to the HDR master.

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#133 Post by EddieLarkin » Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:31 am

Whilst the problem is unique to the HDR master, it is not related to the HDR or caused by it. For the first reel the native P3 gamut has been folded into the Rec.2020 container twice instead of once, clipping the entire top end of the gamut. It's an accidental mastering error.

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#134 Post by Finch » Tue Nov 02, 2021 7:31 pm

GeoffD says Shout's new Halloween UHD has significant compression issues on top of the audio, so I'm moving it from the Solid Upgrade to the Disappointing section.

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#135 Post by ianthemovie » Tue Nov 02, 2021 7:55 pm

Are The Shining and Suspiria agreed to be Tier 1 titles? I don't see them ranked anywhere on the list.

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#136 Post by nitin » Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:31 pm

The Shining is a resounding yes IMHO and although I have yet to get Syanpse's Suspiria release, I believe thats meant to be a sizeable upgrade over their BD too.

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#137 Post by bluesforyou » Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:23 pm

King of New York should be Tier 1. The upgrade over the last Blu-ray is massive. The color saturation and contrast is beautiful and the picture just leaps out of the screen. Also the aspect ratio has been corrected to 1.85:1 from 16:9.

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#138 Post by Finch » Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:28 pm

I have added The Shining to the Top Tier list.

With the Suspiria UHD, I get the impression that the superiority over Synapse's own Blu-Ray is not as significant so I've added it to the Appreciable/Solid list instead. Happy to amend if enough people who have both chime in to say it ought to be among the Reference discs too. Remember that I'm also trying to bear in mind how each UHD compares to the most recent Blu-Ray available. Suspiria on UHD has better grain and colors but the BD was a 10/10 for its format and I think both discs are from the same source so the gap isn't as pronounced as with other titles, *to my knowledge*.

As Eddie said at one point, all the discs in the top two columns are worth getting, and I'll try my best to keep them as accurate as possible all the times (which can be a challenge when most or all reviewers aren't picking up on flawed presentations and it requires fans with an intimate knowledge of the films to highlight issues post-release). So, with some boutique labels, you might want to exercise caution and forego a pre-order (especially if it is not guaranteed that the label will offer a replacement).
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#139 Post by Finch » Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:36 pm

bluesforyou wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:23 pm
King of New York should be Tier 1. The upgrade over the last Blu-ray is massive. The color saturation and contrast is beautiful and the picture just leaps out of the screen. Also the aspect ratio has been corrected to 1.85:1 from 16:9.
They also re-issued King of New York on Blu-Ray which is why I've put the UHD in the Appreciable/Solid column instead. But yes, compared to the older Blu-Ray, the UHD is much better.

That makes me wonder though. Some titles, like the Ferrera, also get re-issued on BD simultaneously or, with Synapse's Suspiria, within such a short timeframe that the same restoration is still the source for the UHD.

I could list King of NY in both tiers (significant upgrade from the OLD BD/solid upgrade from the NEW BD), ditto Suspiria.

Thoughts?

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#140 Post by vsski » Wed Nov 03, 2021 2:33 am

Finch,
If it’s not too much work or too complicated I like the suggestion of comparing to a BD that gets issued at the same time as well as a BD that was issued previously (for those applicable).
At least for me when I make a decision on wether to buy a UHD I compare it to the last version of the film I already own. If I don’t own a BD yet, I will go for the UHD - unless significant problems are reported. If I already have a BD, it will depend on how important the movie is to me. If it’s one of my favorite films I will buy the new UHD, otherwise I may buy the UHD if it is reference quality, but not if it’s only a solid upgrade.

And thank you for pulling all this together, I find it very helpful.

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#141 Post by Finch » Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:48 am

I don't mind doing so at all. I'll add affected titles in both columns. If anyone can think of more films that had had a simultaneous BD re-issue with the UHD, please let me know (right now, I am only aware of the Ferrera and Argento but I'm sure there's a few more).

I'm taking pretty much the same approach as you, vsski, though in my case there are several titles dear to me in the Appreciable/Solid upgrade tier.

I'll also add UHDs that have great sound upgrades. The original Independence Day is frequently cited as having a UHD that has a very solid picture upgrade but absolutely murders the BD in the sound department. Again, if you know of more, drop a line here.

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#142 Post by Glowingwabbit » Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:57 am

When it comes to something like King of New York having a simultaneous BD/UHD release/reissue I'm simply never going to watch the new BD (unless I take it to a friend's place to watch), so I'd only compare it to the old blu-ray I had and that's what I'd want to know from a list like the one at beginning of the thread (should I upgrade my blu-ray to the new UHD release?). Which as mentioned already is a major improvement and definitely should be a tier 1 release since this thread is dedicated to UHD upgrades. But regardless this thread and the list is still very helpful, so thanks all.

Edit: Blue Underground's Daughters of Darkness and Dead & Buried are simultaneous BD/UHD reissues.

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#143 Post by Finch » Wed Nov 03, 2021 12:09 pm

I moved King of NY to the Tier 1 category as more people (including myself) will have had the old BD but I also kept the original entry in Tier 2 for the few people that may have gotten the new BD and might be contemplating replacing it with the UHD (same with Suspiria).

Did Daughters of Darkness and Dead & Buried have previous BD releases from Blue Underground?

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#144 Post by dwk » Wed Nov 03, 2021 12:18 pm

Yes they both had previous Blu-rays, using older masters, from Blue Underground.

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#145 Post by Finch » Wed Nov 03, 2021 12:54 pm

Thanks. Updating OP.

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#146 Post by dwk » Wed Nov 03, 2021 1:17 pm

The Final Countdown and Vigilante also had a previous (old masters) Blu-rays from Blue Underground. Actually, I think every Blue Underground UHD has had a previous Blu-ray from them.

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#147 Post by Finch » Wed Nov 03, 2021 4:06 pm

Seventh Seal from the BFI added to Tier 1 (that font on the cover though, ugh), and Second Sight's The Bababook UHD to Tier 2

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#148 Post by FrauBlucher » Wed Nov 03, 2021 5:44 pm

With the announcement of a world premiere restoration of Giant at the TCM Film Festival I think the chances of a 4k UHD release are pretty strong

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#149 Post by Finch » Sun Nov 07, 2021 5:48 pm

Hills Have Eyes 4k at Beaver
I've never seen Hills Have Eyes but I wonder if the first comparison capture (blonde in red sweater) really is from the Arrow Blu-Ray or if Gary has accidentally mislabeled the Image Entertainment BD? If it IS from the Arrow, then that would represent a substantial upgrade to my eyes. Also, if he has the Arrow BD, why is he not using it for the other captures too? Anyone have the Arrow BD?

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