Mickey 17 (Bong Joon-Ho, 2025)

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Re: Trailers for Upcoming Films

#1 Post by Computer Raheem » Mon Dec 05, 2022 11:04 pm

An extremely short teaser for Bong Joon-ho's MICKEY 17

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Re: Trailers for Upcoming Films

#2 Post by domino harvey » Thu Sep 19, 2024 2:10 pm

brundlefly wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2024 9:08 pm
Computer Raheem wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 11:04 pm
An extremely short teaser for Bong Joon-ho's MICKEY 17
Trailer. A reminder that not enough people saw Riley Stearns' Dual.
Word is that since the director had Final Cut and refused to make any changes, WB is dumping this in January and will make no awards run for it

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Re: Trailers for Upcoming Films

#3 Post by yoloswegmaster » Wed Oct 09, 2024 1:39 pm

domino harvey wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 2:10 pm
brundlefly wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2024 9:08 pm
Computer Raheem wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 11:04 pm
An extremely short teaser for Bong Joon-ho's MICKEY 17
Trailer. A reminder that not enough people saw Riley Stearns' Dual.
Word is that since the director had Final Cut and refused to make any changes, WB is dumping this in January and will make no awards run for it
No dedicated thread for it yet but here's the official poster:

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There's a rumour going around that some studios are planning on taking some 2025 releases and moving them to this year due to the weak Oscar race. This would be the perfect chance to move the Mickey 17 release date from January to December \:D/

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Re: Trailers for Upcoming Films

#4 Post by beamish14 » Wed Oct 09, 2024 4:11 pm

domino harvey wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 2:10 pm
brundlefly wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2024 9:08 pm
Computer Raheem wrote:
Mon Dec 05, 2022 11:04 pm
An extremely short teaser for Bong Joon-ho's MICKEY 17
Trailer. A reminder that not enough people saw Riley Stearns' Dual.
Word is that since the director had Final Cut and refused to make any changes, WB is dumping this in January and will make no awards run for it

The same thing happened with Snowpiercer. Like Jean-Pierre Jeunet, he’d take a poor rollout over compromising his film

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Mickey 17 (Bong Joon-Ho, 2025)

#5 Post by therewillbeblus » Sat Mar 08, 2025 11:15 pm

Mickey 17 is a spiritual sequel to Okja in all the worst ways. It's sloppy, didactically on-the-nose, and draaags - I'm stupefied by how elastic Bong's sense of economy can be. Pattinson's performance is a grace, but even he can't save a movie that's most interesting part - its opening precredits sci-fi 'premise' - is largely cast aside (other than its base element) in favor of windy plot roads that feel overdone and undercooked at the same time. Yeun and Vartolomei have completely superfluous narrative arcs, the former taking up way too much time just to, what, show unfairness in the system or provide dark comic relief to Pattinson's patsy? And Ruffalo needs the right director to help him go ham - his last gassed-up buffoon perf had a few layers, but this is one of the most embarrassingly one-note caricatures in recent memory. And what of the nonsensical dream sequence that essentially serves as the film's climax? This truly felt like a first draft, and I really hope Bong got whatever he had to get out of his system, so he can go back to his careful welding instead of spinning around banging pots and pans.

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Re: The Films of 2025

#6 Post by Mr Sausage » Sun Mar 09, 2025 7:38 am

When I saw the trailer I had the unfair thought, "I liked this better when it was 90 minutes and called Moon", and now I'm worrying that it might not've been so unfair.

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Re: The Films of 2025

#7 Post by Grand Wazoo » Sun Mar 09, 2025 11:50 pm

therewillbeblus wrote:
Sat Mar 08, 2025 11:15 pm
Mickey 17 is a spiritual sequel to Okja in all the worst ways. It's sloppy, didactically on-the-nose, and draaags - I'm stupefied by how elastic Bong's sense of economy can be. Pattinson's performance is a grace, but even he can't save a movie that's most interesting part - its opening precredits sci-fi 'premise' - is largely cast aside (other than its base element) in favor of windy plot roads that feel overdone and undercooked at the same time. Yeun and Vartolomei have completely superfluous narrative arcs, the former taking up way too much time just to, what, show unfairness in the system or provide dark comic relief to Pattinson's patsy? And Ruffalo needs the right director to help him go ham - his last gassed-up buffoon perf had a few layers, but this is one of the most embarrassingly one-note caricatures in recent memory. And what of the nonsensical dream sequence that essentially serves as the film's climax? This truly felt like a first draft, and I really hope Bong got whatever he had to get out of his system, so he can go back to his careful welding instead of spinning around banging pots and pans.
Just popping in to second this, TWBBs somehow read every thought I had while watching. R Patz innocent, but the rest ranges from embarrassing to unbearable.

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Re: The Films of 2025

#8 Post by Matt » Mon Mar 10, 2025 3:36 am

I'm glad Bong got to milk Warner Bros. for a couple hundred mil, but I need someone to step in and stop him from making anymore English-language films. I know Snowpiercer has its fans, but I am not one of them. As soon as I read the first review calling Mickey 17 "hilarious," I knew we were in an Okja situation.

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Re: The Films of 2025

#9 Post by Roger Ryan » Mon Mar 10, 2025 8:56 am

I was not as disappointed with Mickey 17 as others here even if I understand the criticism. The last act is definitely too long but this is not a film that feels like it compromises its vision. The hyperbolic characterizations are integrated into the story in a more balanced way than in Okja (that film's more glaring flaw) and, as far as on-the-nose sci-fi satire, this one holds far more interest to me than Snowpiercer which remains the one Bong film that I dislike (a decent first thirty minutes to set everything up only to become an inert series of clumsily-directed action set-pieces). With Mickey 17, the satire works for me, even if it may appear obvious, because it maintains a surprisingly cruel edge throughout. This holds everything from the cute creature design to whimsical art direction in check and prevents the viewer from feeling too comfortable.
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Sat Mar 08, 2025 11:15 pm
... And what of the nonsensical dream sequence that essentially serves as the film's climax? ...
This is what I meant by not compromising its vision. The supposedly feel-good denouement is dominated by this long interruption which doesn't allow the darker message to be obliterated...
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Knowing that Ms. Marshall has committed suicide through slitting her wrists, Mickey envisions a replicated Marshall forever bleeding Christ-like and the blood being the "special sauce" that the Marshalls insist you must taste before knowing what's in it. That sauce is the allure of authoritarianism, and I admire how Bong ties this into the Christian notion of the "Blood of Christ" Eucharist (the Marshall cult being both a church and a company). The authoritarianism can be easily replicated and the film leaves it ambiguous whether the Marshalls have, indeed, been replicated prior to the printing machine being blown up.
In terms of overall quality Mickey 17 is definitely in the bottom half of Bong's canon for me. I'm glad he got the millions to do it but wouldn't mind him staying away from science fiction parables for a while... if not for the rest of his career.

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Re: The Films of 2025

#10 Post by therewillbeblus » Mon Mar 10, 2025 2:08 pm

Roger Ryan wrote:
Mon Mar 10, 2025 8:56 am
therewillbeblus wrote:
Sat Mar 08, 2025 11:15 pm
... And what of the nonsensical dream sequence that essentially serves as the film's climax? ...
This is what I meant by not compromising its vision. The supposedly feel-good denouement is dominated by this long interruption which doesn't allow the darker message to be obliterated...
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Knowing that Ms. Marshall has committed suicide through slitting her wrists, Mickey envisions a replicated Marshall forever bleeding Christ-like and the blood being the "special sauce" that the Marshalls insist you must taste before knowing what's in it. That sauce is the allure of authoritarianism, and I admire how Bong ties this into the Christian notion of the "Blood of Christ" Eucharist (the Marshall cult being both a church and a company). The authoritarianism can be easily replicated and the film leaves it ambiguous whether the Marshalls have, indeed, been replicated prior to the printing machine being blown up.
Interesting point
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I'm not sure it's all that ambiguous, though. The way Pattinson shakes awake and turns his attention towards the explosion, the former scene becomes isolated to a darkly comic nightmare in the vein of his eccentric attention span we've scene throughout the film, diluting its messaging. However, your reading of this as a warning that 'We Haven't Fixed Things' is definitely pertinent to oppose the otherwise smooth finish. I just don't think they pulled it off in a way that was successful - if anything, chocking it up to Pattinson's idiosyncrasies and quickly pivoting to a utopian salvation kinda soils the darker undercurrent Bong was going for. That scene toed the line between farce and drama, but the subsequent scene's farce destroyed its value for me.
Again, this felt like a first draft. I think you're onto something critical there, even if Bong failed to glue the pieces together to hammer home his point. The movie is just a mess at trying and failing to balance various tones throughout its runtime - it's exhausting and antithetical to the auteur's thematic intentions.

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Re: The Films of 2025

#11 Post by Michael Kerpan » Mon Mar 10, 2025 2:30 pm

I think I may just give up on Bong. As far as I'm concerned his high point was Barking Dogs....Host was the last film I really liked a lot, though Mother had its good points. After that, nothing "essential".

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Re: The Films of 2025

#12 Post by beamish14 » Mon Mar 10, 2025 3:00 pm

Michael Kerpan wrote:
Mon Mar 10, 2025 2:30 pm
I think I may just give up on Bong. As far as I'm concerned his high point was Barking Dogs....Host was the last film I really liked a lot, though Mother had its good points. After that, nothing "essential".
Barking Dogs is easily my favorite of his catalog thus far, too. Up with Burn After Reading as the most nihilistic comedy I’ve ever seen

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Re: The Films of 2025

#13 Post by Finch » Mon Mar 10, 2025 3:12 pm

Mother was the last film of his I loved. I'm going to pass on this one, too. Snowpiercer was so dire on a revisit years ago that i haven't bothered with Okja, and Mickey 17 being described as Gilliam-nesque is a turnoff, not a recommendation to me. Hopefully he's now got the sci-fi satires out of his system though I'm on the record for not liking Parasite either.

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Re: Mickey 17 (Bong Joon-Ho, 2025)

#14 Post by The Curious Sofa » Sun Mar 16, 2025 6:45 am

This is already going to streaming on March 25th: https://www.forbes.com/sites/timlammers ... streaming/

As someone who is a fan of Pattison, likes Snow Piercer, and though Okja, while flawed, still had its moments, I'm hoping to to enjoy this.

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Re: Mickey 17 (Bong Joon-Ho, 2025)

#15 Post by Mr.DarjeelingLimited » Sun Mar 16, 2025 9:46 am

I think this is a fun time that just doesn’t go all the way in what it’s trying to say. The last 15 minutes after a certain someone dies could’ve been cut completely. It doesn’t justify it’s runtime with scenes that make it worth but I still had a lottttt of fun watching.

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Re: Mickey 17 (Bong Joon-Ho, 2025)

#16 Post by Aunt Peg » Wed Mar 19, 2025 3:42 am

The entire Stephen Yeun character subplot could have been completely cut and at the very least the pacing of the film would have improved. His character served zero purpose or value to the film.

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Re: Mickey 17 (Bong Joon-Ho, 2025)

#17 Post by clayburn » Thu Mar 20, 2025 12:45 am

The thing to me was that the last third of it is just the plot of
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. I was already getting heavy 90s sci-fi vibes, Mark Ruffalo and Toni Collette's performances felt like callbacks to Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker, and then the hard switch from digging into the metaphor of expendables as the ultimate surplus value to doing something that felt like such a knockoff was just disappointing. I'm surprised Bong was battling for final cut here because it feels like a film that's trying too hard to please.

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Re: Mickey 17 (Bong Joon-Ho, 2025)

#18 Post by Michael Kerpan » Thu Apr 10, 2025 10:18 pm

Finch -- I finally (for now, barring some radical change in Bong's direction) gave up on Bong with Parasite -- which I truly hated.

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