The Ballad of Buster Scruggs (Joel & Ethan Coen, 2018)

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Re: The Ballad of Buster Scruggs (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2018)

#126 Post by Slaphappy » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:00 am

whaleallright wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:11 pm
People often ascribe stuff that's been part of human society for time immemorial, to the most proximate bogeyman (capitalism, America, millennials, etc.). People have exploited other people, often in gruesome ways, as far back as we know. Would the sketch in question never not be "timely" in that broad sense?

Reminds me a bit of how for many decades, every film that came out of Eastern Europe (or later, China) was interpreted in the U.S. to be a parable about Communist oppression. some certainly were, others were just about classic things (exploitation, misery, absurdity, hatred) that just so happened to still be present in socialist Europe.

Anyway, if the Coens did intend a "commentary" (ugh) on current events, one thing we can be certain of is that they'd never own up to it.
Funny synchronicity. I was just thinking about Stalker, because both it and Meal Ticket have characters who are named as archetypes (writer, professor and stalker / artist and impresario) and because even though Tarkovsky has been very clear that the movie is not an allegory on Soviet Union, it is clearly a story with dystopian elements relatable for someone who’s lived under Soviet rule. Coens have done a lot of variations of this "creative persons vs. commercial industry" theme, but it's always been done from very new fresh angles and avoiding the most obvious conclusions.

Tiny rabbit hole I'm thinking about diving into: Shakespeare's sonnet 29, regular number by Meal Ticket's artist, is also quoted by a down-and-out actor friend of the main character in Nicholas Ray's In a Lonely Place. Never read the original book, so that's my next move on my Coen studies along with watching The Big Knife, that might to be connected too.

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Re: The Ballad of Buster Scruggs (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2018)

#127 Post by bad future » Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:05 am

Constable wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 7:46 am
bad future wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:07 pm
Were the Coens thinking about any of those things as they shot (on digital for the first time) a vignette about about market conditions leading an entertainer to lower his standards in a way that coldly discards an employee, for a netflix-exclusive movie that was reworked from an aborted tv series? No idea but seems plausible!
What's the story behind this? What's shooting on digital got to do with it? You're not saying the market conditions are the disappearance of film, are you?
bad future wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:07 pm
I mean, even without knowing the meta context, all that stuff is in the story and it seems like they would need heroic levels of creative tunnel vision for it to be only about those two characters and their unique circumstances, to the exclusion of all the ways it reflects the art/commerce relationship now and through history.
To me it seems much more likely that they just wrote a story that has a grim dramatic punch to it, even without knowing that they've openly said they never imbue their stories with symbolic or metaphorical meaning.
I wasn’t suggesting a 1:1 relationship like “Meal Ticket is about the disappearance of film”; more that in writing a story about artistic and professional standards compromised In the face of market forces and audience demand, they may have been channeling a bit of their own weary resignation to those constants. Of course then it starts to get so broad that why did I even bother!

Just saying it’s hard to imagine it ended up as such a perfect microcosm of every time someone has been replaced by something cheaper and dumber, by accident.. but maybe the difference here is my perception of how ‘novel’ it can still be to succinctly address those things. We don’t say every story in which someone is motivated by the thirst for power is about the thirst for power unless the story actually engages with it on a deeper level; maybe everything at play here can similarly be employed as shorthand on the way to a more specific story without itself being the point. I also wonder if maybe the short format makes me perceive a greater emphasis on structures (formal and in-story) while something longer might have played more like a character piece in which capitalism is a motivator but not quite a subject in itself.

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Re: The Ballad of Buster Scruggs (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2018)

#128 Post by knives » Wed Sep 01, 2021 6:18 pm

For some reason I’ve been thinking about this one a lot lately and as each episode sings to me it seems a little more perfect full of strange moments and interesting themes. Even the ending I originally had issue with speaks to me with a sad sigh.

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Re: The Ballad of Buster Scruggs (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2018)

#129 Post by FrauBlucher » Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:04 pm

This became one of my favorite Coen's after just one viewing.

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Re: The Ballad of Buster Scruggs (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2018)

#130 Post by Monterey Jack » Wed Sep 01, 2021 10:52 pm

Where's the Goddamn Blu-Ray...?!

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Re: The Ballad of Buster Scruggs (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2018)

#131 Post by swo17 » Wed Sep 01, 2021 11:33 pm

Actually, now I'm hopeful for a Criterion UHD

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