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Re: Awards Season 2019

#476 Post by Nasir007 » Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:05 pm

Either would have been nominated - no doubt about that.

Looking from France's perspective - they got the outcome they wanted - get an Oscar nomination.

From NEON/Sciamma's perspective - they perhaps missed out on a FLF nomination and a cinematography or screenplay nomination.

From general cinema fan's perspective - Sciamma is already a fairly high profile film in the US, it gives Les Mis a leg up, so best of both worlds.

NEON/Sciamma maybe lost a bit here but other parties came out okay.

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#477 Post by Feego » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:19 pm

Nasir007 wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:05 pm
From NEON/Sciamma's perspective - they perhaps missed out on a FLF nomination and a cinematography or screenplay nomination.
Even without being France's official submission, Portrait was still eligible for the tech categories so long as it met the U.S. release criteria, correct?

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#478 Post by DarkImbecile » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:20 pm

Yes, just far less likely to be seen by many Academy members

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#479 Post by therewillbeblus » Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:21 pm

1917 finally pulled ahead of Once Upon a Time... in Hollywood today on goldderby. Are there any more Big awards or indicators between now and Oscar voting that could sway the tides?

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#480 Post by Never Cursed » Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:33 pm

DGA Awards

EDIT: Also the WGA Awards and, to a lesser extent, the BAFTAs
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Re: Awards Season 2019

#481 Post by therewillbeblus » Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:40 pm

True, I knew those were coming though I never thought of the crossover to BP

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#482 Post by domino harvey » Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:56 pm

zedz wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:43 pm
Les Miserables is a terrific, socially engaged film by a first time black director. It'll be an attention-getter when it's released in the US anyway, but this gives it a heightened profile, and it's possibly got a stronger narrative for Academy voters (since France would have submitted it before they knew the full extent of the positive critical reception of Sciamma's film in the States.)
Parasite is 100% winning anyways so it doesn’t matter

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#483 Post by dda1996a » Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:54 pm

Never Cursed wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:33 pm
DGA Awards

EDIT: Also the WGA Awards and, to a lesser extent, the BAFTAs
Still feels like Mendes' 1 shot BS will triumph in the directing branch

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#484 Post by therewillbeblus » Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:56 pm

dda1996a wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:54 pm
Still feels like Mendes' 1 shot BS will triumph in the directing branch
I'm not happy about it, but I'll take it as long as it doesn't take home the big prize.

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#485 Post by soundchaser » Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:35 am

As predicted, Sam Mendes has won at the DGA Awards this evening.

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#486 Post by Never Cursed » Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:47 am

Along with Alma Har'el for Honey Boy

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#487 Post by therewillbeblus » Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:04 am

She definitely did great work there but I’m surprised Joe Talbot didn’t take it in what I think is a far more impressively directed film. Happy for Bill Hader directing one of the most inspired episodes of TV in recent memory (on a show I admittedly don’t like nearly as much as many seem to). As for Mendes, well I saw it coming like everybody else, but it’s just so incredibly disheartening. I’d rather they had just given it to the Avengers team for honoring a film that shows its hand and doesn’t hide behind Supreme Drama (and I really don’t like The Avengers).

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#488 Post by soundchaser » Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:09 am

And also unsurprisingly, Deakins won for the same film at the ASC awards. I wouldn’t be surprised if 1917 took home the big prize.

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#489 Post by therewillbeblus » Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:17 am

I want to say I’d quit the Oscars but that’s an empty threat if there ever was one

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#490 Post by The Narrator Returns » Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:37 am

On the bright side, the USC Scripter Award (which has matched the Adapted Screenplay Oscar eight of the last nine times, the only outlier going to a movie that wasn't nominated) went to Greta Gerwig for Little Women.

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#491 Post by domino harvey » Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:49 pm

I think anything but 1917 winning Best Picture is a stretch at this point. Despite some vocal dissenters here and on some awards forums/Film Twitter, it is really quite widely liked and I think it’ll easily slide in to the most number one or two slots ala Spotlight

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#492 Post by Nasir007 » Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:07 pm

How dispiriting. My prediction after watching Parasite will not come true alas. I saw it and thought there's no way Bong does not win the Oscar for this. The direction in 1917 is not even that special or anything.

1917 is such a vanilla, unchallenging, inoffensive film. What about something with a little bit of sting or a little bite. What a plain movie. I can't muster up more than apathy for it. I gotta wonder how it inspires love in people. It barely has a pulse.

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#493 Post by knives » Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:08 pm

Why does a film need to be challenging or offensive to win a popularity contest?

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#494 Post by therewillbeblus » Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:39 pm

Nasir007 wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:07 pm
The direction in 1917 is not even that special or anything.

1917 is such a vanilla, unchallenging, inoffensive film. What about something with a little bit of sting or a little bite. What a plain movie. I can't muster up more than apathy for it. I gotta wonder how it inspires love in people. It barely has a pulse.
I’m definitely completely opposed to it winning anything beyond technical awards but I can’t say the direction isn’t special. Maybe next to the bar that Iñárritu set with his back to back wins, where he arguably did the same thing but better (and more - I don’t mean to say his movies were equally as thin even if I think one of them was still pretty thin). Mendes organized some impressively choreographed setpieces. My main problem with the film lies in his choices seemingly based in the idea of what might look cool beyond greater artistic merit rooted in the drama, characterization, or god forbid cause-and-effect sensibility of soldiers in a historical world war. The movie definitely has a pulse but one I think belongs more to a sort of mindless summer blockbuster than a great film which, although I disagree with your assessments by which a great film or best picture should be measured, I would hope would at least contain more ideas. I didn’t like Green Book much but at least it tried to do that.

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#495 Post by DarkImbecile » Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:53 pm

therewillbeblus wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:39 pm
... I would hope would at least contain more ideas. I didn’t like Green Book much but at least it tried to do that.
Did it though? Is "war is hell" any less significant and more cliched of an idea than "racism is bad"?

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#496 Post by therewillbeblus » Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:13 pm

I don’t think Green Book succeeded in its aims, but I’m going to give it more credit in conception than simply “racism is bad.” It tried to create a position of humanity’s connective tissues and even if it landed in an uncomfortable area of assimilation and a “can’t we all just get along” attitude, there were scenes (regardless of their effectiveness or eye-rolling melodrama) like Ali in the rain professing the barrier for his own access to identity, and Viggo’s development of valuing human relationships outside of his familial ideology over the ‘me, my, and mine’ prioritization of money, to go along with these other themes. I know people who did get an emotional reaction from 1917 so I won’t declare it to be objectively not complex, but from my perspective it didn’t even go for a full-measure of “war is hell” because the ideology of a man delivering his mission no matter what reigned above all and to me clearly served the purpose of just driving action that was unrealistic and undercut all possibilities of drama in its artificially choreographed priority of visual excitement over a dramatic theme such as the one you suggested. But even giving it that much rope, I still think Green Book attempted to contain far more substance than this attempted to do. Obviously not every movie needs to be dense or philosophical or challenging as knives said; but I think people voted in last year’s because they bought those multifaceted attempts of Farrelly’s movie and I just see a relatively empty concept film of a one-note gimmick in front of me that stunts even the basic principles that draw one into a war movie and I’m puzzled by its potential win much more than I’m puzzled by last year’s.

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#497 Post by DarkImbecile » Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:59 pm

I think I'm seeing misguided pandering in Green Book where you're seeing attempted complexity, and while I don't think there's much depth in 1917, I'll take shallow and well-executed over meaning well and failing blandly.

That said, there are 5-6 other nominees I'd rather see win Best Picture over 1917, but I won't be staring out a rainy window contemplating the meaning of life if any of these nominees win, unlike most years.

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#498 Post by knives » Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:09 pm

And in a random upset a letter writing campaign has one best picture for Cats!

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#499 Post by DarkImbecile » Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:23 pm

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Re: Awards Season 2019

#500 Post by therewillbeblus » Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:54 pm

DarkImbecile wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:59 pm
I think I'm seeing misguided pandering in Green Book where you're seeing attempted complexity, and while I don't think there's much depth in 1917, I'll take shallow and well-executed over meaning well and failing blandly.
That’s fair, though my point wasn’t to differentiate which one I’d rather win or which between those two evils I like more as much as that one is more confusing to me than the other in terms of mass appeal under the category of Best Picture. In other words, I can understand how a majority of audiences could think of Green Book as checking the socially constructed boxes of what that honor means, even if I disagree on its merits, while 1917 seems to so obviously fail on all fronts in my opinion, except for as a theme park ride.

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