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A. Emperor's Force Ghost
B. Emperor didn't die, Vader killed his force projection
C. "Skywalker" is the name of the resistance inspired by Luke

D. who cares just get it over with already

Ok ok, "Skywalker" is the resistance, Rey isn't a Skywalker, but she is Palpatine's daughter, or created by him - can a moderator suspend me for a day or two so I don't keep doing this

I can't wait for the movie to come out and all the predictions are wrong.

I just assumed Skywalker is now an honorary title.

What A Disgrace wrote: Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:47 pm I can't wait for the movie to come out and all the predictions are wrong.

There's one prediction I'm eager to check, which is the one about Rey's being "nobody's" daughter. I strongly believe this is a wordplay, à la "your father is dead", but we'll see.

This trailer was equal parts fan service and TLJ-hater service.

It looks like very polished, very flashy trash.

The title sounds like bad fan-fiction.

But it's Star Wars so maybe all of that is okay.

I have a hard time with JJ's pro-fanboy status and his relentless nostalgia-porn so I guess I'm not as forgiving as I could be. Because, yes, there is a certain pulp-opera grandeur to the feelings evoked by the imagery/music in the trailer. But I found the same true of the trailers for the other two and then you get the half-assed writing and convoluted plot nonsense and rehashing and it just kind of sucks the enthusiasm right out of everything for me. At least THE LAST RIAN SW MOVIE tried to be something a little different, even if its sub-plots were pointless and interminable. THE RISE OF JJ looks like it is going to backpedal absolutely every interesting idea that Rian Johnson had for the larger narrative.

I don't know, every trailer for this trilogy so far has included some intentional misdirection while revealing very little actual plot detail, so I think it's waaayyy too early to say anything about how this movie will or will not engage with whatever Rian Johnson set up (though I'll agree I'm not expecting this one to be as rich and surprising an experience for me as his was).

Remember when a three year gap between movies was literally the standard for Star Wars rather than a perceived hiatus?

Even if JJ somehow undoes the Rian Johnson blunder, or avoids his own rehash problems from TFA, I can’t imagine we get another saga trilogy for 10 years or so.

Final trailer— the water scenes look promising

EDIT Also, be careful out there. There are circulating leaks for the last episode that apparently are verified by what we see in this trailer. Do not bring that noise here, FYI

Man, Daisey Ridley gets quite a workout in these trailers.

The star destroyer rising from the water was pretty cool. Overall there wasn’t anything revelatory, or mind blowing - but the tone seemed more in line with the Luke we knew before episode 8, less doom and gloom, more optimistic...

The one problem I had was C3PO’s scene, which looks like a sendoff, how would he consider the new group of characters his friends? He’s spent all of 5 minutes with them...

Overall I’m excited.

domino harvey wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2019 3:19 am EDIT Also, be careful out there. There are circulating leaks for the last episode that apparently are verified by what we see in this trailer. Do not bring that noise here, FYI

Spoiler

The good guys win the Star War

That shot of the forest when she’s jumping over the chasm is surprisingly obvious fake-looking CGI.

I get the feeling this will be the only decent one in the trilogy, as if they’re just learning from the mistakes of the first two.

RIP Film wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:11 pm I get the feeling this will be the only decent one in the trilogy, as if they’re just learning from the mistakes of the first two.

*whispers* The Last Jedi was the best Star Wars film to date

bearcuborg wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:08 am The star destroyer rising from the water was pretty cool.

I see that the trailer is obviously being a corrective for one grave error that Last Jedi made - delegating Rey to a supporting role so that Johnson could fanboy all over Kylo.

The Force Awakens is a good movie but ordinary. But one of the most refreshing things was undeniably having a female protagonist. TFA felt like Rey's story and journey. And the movie ended with her. So there was no doubt that she was the new Luke or the hero of the trilogy. And then Last Jedi, the movie lost its feminist bonafides somewhat by relegating Rey to essentially a subplot away from the 'main narrative'. Rey's role in Jedi was essentially that of a side quest or side adventure only coming in at the end for a brief deux ex machina. Kylo loomed larged over Jedi as the primary character and Adam Drive earned his billing as the highest billed star of the new cast.

After Last Jedi, you would think that the new trilogy is infact Kylo's story, a tragic hero story.

Now JJ seems to be again correcting that notion and the trailer rather emphatically positions Rey again as the protagonist, so that the film can again earn its feminist sheen which was somewhat dimmed the last time around.

But this trilogy has had 2 good and interesting films so far. I am curious to see how it all concludes and that will help us re-evaluate the first 2 parts of the trilogy.

The reaction to this after last night's premiere was fairly muted, even among the handpicked crew of fanboys Disney allowed to see it; have to imagine the consensus won't get much better after the majority of critics are able to weigh in.

Early responses cryptically promise the film “undoes” a lot of the previous entry, which fits with the rumor that Johnson went off-plan for his installment, but I’m also not sure what there is to undo in the first place? Laura Dern shown in flashback being nice to the boys?

Chewbacca eats all of the porgs, Rose is secretly Luke Skywalker from the future, and Snoke's still living lower half raps his origin story in an alien language which has to be subtitled.

domino harvey wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2019 5:40 pm Early responses cryptically promise the film “undoes” a lot of the previous entry, which fits with the rumor that Johnson went off-plan for his installment, but I’m also not sure what there is to undo in the first place? Laura Dern shown in flashback being nice to the boys?

Spoiler

Almost certainly this means that Daisy Ridley's parentage is significant and meaningful (she's probably the emperor's daughter or something).

Also, I don't think there was a plan for Rian Johnson to deviate from; they're just pandering to the fans who were agitated by the lack of pandering and familiarity.

I just hope a CGI creature turns to roar at the camera at some point. If that's Snoke's butt while it's rapping his backstory in subtitled Fxghrese, so be it.

Clearly the New York critics had to skip lunch to make their screening:

Film criticism 2020: FOOD.