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Re: Roger Corman
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:41 am
by knives
Due to exhaustion, who would have guessed that covering an entire company’s output would be a bit much, I’ve more or less given up posting everything here (
though the curious can check out my copious comments here. Nearly up to the ‘90s and there’s still some good movies and the very occasional great one. Still, I’d be remiss if I didn’t post my comments for the very best discovery I made in this whole endeavor and possibly the best movie Corman was ever associated with:
I Never Promised You a Rose Garden. I even went out and got the book because of the film.
It speaks volumes about where New World was at the time, 1977, that they would make this let alone that it managed to show up at the Oscar’s (albeit not in the category I would place it). There’s no salaciousness present and even if it was chasing a bigger budgeted film it does so with an eye to changing Forman’s Nest by removing all sense of metaphor and instead giving a hopeful show of recovery by living with illness. This is such a sensitive film about institutionalization that shows both how hard it is to get better in such a stressful environment and how the staff are largely trying to help with culpability given to the rare bad egg.
This movie is really made by its performances. All of them provide a complexity of character I wasn’t prepared for. Even the small characters like the fat orderly who Deborah likes build this world of push and pull between giving up and attempting to live well. Her desire and perspective are very well respected by the filmmakers to the point where her distress is genuinely painful to watch. It’s almost too much especially as express by Quinlan who makes this feel like documentary. Next to her Bibi Anderson comes across as stunt casting gone right indicting the this will be like the Bergman’s Corman was distributing at the time, but playing with the kind of reality of the older films. Her job is to be caring and a guiding hand for Deborah and the audience so that we can make it through to the end on Deborah’s terms. While small, Sylvia Sidney’s show off role is also incredibly well handled present only enough to be a rock during the hardest points.
I especially like how the ending speaks for how this isn’t Deborah’s ending. She still has to work with her mania and impulsiveness, but can claim reasonable success by defeating her demons and feeling comfort being just a teenage girl. I also really want to point out Roger Ebert’s review which discusses in excellent terms the difficulty of the ending and the tightrope it walks. Ultimately though I’m just really glad this film exists.
Re: Roger Corman
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2022 3:45 am
by headacheboy
knives wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:41 am
Due to exhaustion, who would have guessed that covering an entire company’s output would be a bit much, I’ve more or less given up posting everything here (
though the curious can check out my copious comments here. Nearly up to the ‘90s and there’s still some good movies and the very occasional great one. Still, I’d be remiss if I didn’t post my comments for the very best discovery I made in this whole endeavor and possibly the best movie Corman was ever associated with:
I Never Promised You a Rose Garden. I even went out and got the book because of the film.
It speaks volumes about where New World was at the time, 1977, that they would make this let alone that it managed to show up at the Oscar’s (albeit not in the category I would place it). There’s no salaciousness present and even if it was chasing a bigger budgeted film it does so with an eye to changing Forman’s Nest by removing all sense of metaphor and instead giving a hopeful show of recovery by living with illness. This is such a sensitive film about institutionalization that shows both how hard it is to get better in such a stressful environment and how the staff are largely trying to help with culpability given to the rare bad egg.
This movie is really made by its performances. All of them provide a complexity of character I wasn’t prepared for. Even the small characters like the fat orderly who Deborah likes build this world of push and pull between giving up and attempting to live well. Her desire and perspective are very well respected by the filmmakers to the point where her distress is genuinely painful to watch. It’s almost too much especially as express by Quinlan who makes this feel like documentary. Next to her Bibi Anderson comes across as stunt casting gone right indicting the this will be like the Bergman’s Corman was distributing at the time, but playing with the kind of reality of the older films. Her job is to be caring and a guiding hand for Deborah and the audience so that we can make it through to the end on Deborah’s terms. While small, Sylvia Sidney’s show off role is also incredibly well handled present only enough to be a rock during the hardest points.
I especially like how the ending speaks for how this isn’t Deborah’s ending. She still has to work with her mania and impulsiveness, but can claim reasonable success by defeating her demons and feeling comfort being just a teenage girl. I also really want to point out Roger Ebert’s review which discusses in excellent terms the difficulty of the ending and the tightrope it walks. Ultimately though I’m just really glad this film exists.
Knives, I'm glad you posted this. I only just completed the book about a month ago and it never dawned on me to see if there was ever a movie made of the book. I recall the novel being a big hit in junior high and as an oh-so wise 12 year old I wouldn't lower myself to read a book meant for girls. Of course, having finally read it in a whole other lifetime I discovered that this is a more complex book than I would have ever believed it to be (proving girls are far wiser at 12 than this stupid boy would have imagined). Having always been a fan of Kathleen Quinlan and of Bibi Andersson, I looking forward to watching this via amazon Prime (the only place I have access to it). I had no idea Roger Corman was involved (executive producer) but that is equally interesting considering the conversations surrounding those auteurs who are remaining in this world of the era that gave us the incomparable JLG. I'm in Chicago the rest of the week and won't have time to watch this, but it will be on tap come Monday evening when I return home. Again, thanks for this information!
Re: Roger Corman
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:31 am
by Aunt Peg
There is a German Blu Ray of I Never Promised You a Rose Garden. No forced subtitles.
Re: Roger Corman
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2022 12:21 am
by knives
domino harvey wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:22 am
As someone who grew up with the
Roger Corman Presents modern remakes on Showtime in the 90s, I have to share that I only recently learned that my favorite of that bunch,
Welcome to Earth AKA Alien Avengers, was written by Michael McDonald from
Mad TV (and McDonald also directed, unseen by me, the
RCP installment remaking
A Bucket of Blood with Anthony Michael Hall, Will Ferrell, Paul Bartel, and David Cross!)
I’ve been going through Corman’s ‘90s films recently and McDonald is all over them. He’s practically Dick Miller.
Re: Roger Corman
Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:54 am
by knives
I’ve got a little mystery going on right now and I hope somebody here could help me solve it. All over the internet Rick Jacobson is listed as a second director on Blackbelt, good movie by the way, but he’s not mentioned anywhere in the credits. Does anyone know of any authoritative source about this credit?
Re: Roger Corman
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2023 3:18 pm
by therewillbeblus
I'll add to the praise for I Never Promised You a Rose Garden, which is a respectful and honest depiction of an acute episode of debilitating mental illness. The film appropriately oscillates between subjective and objective schemas, shot realistically yet with an undercurrent of surrealism by posturing at a subjective reality of intrusive imagery. It's formally brilliant - I love how even the objectively-shot interactions early on between the patients contain surreal primers in their antisocial internal logic that's intimately involving rather than distanced by the filmmaker, almost always serving as an antecedent for the fantastical hallucinations. It's a subtle non-intervention that trusts the actors and material to blend just right, without anxiously setting boundaries to protect the audience with defined cues - as this would, in turn, alienate us from Deborah's experience. Over time, her states become more distinct without that nebulous, quiet surrealism-in-reality, which is what demonstrates progress vs. a traditional 'Ta-Da! All Better!' insinuation. Also, when Deborah has a breakthrough, it's reflected as such by her own internal logic rather than ours. And then she has a crisis based on the transition from distinguishing reality and fantasy, which fits with an IFS model, since those protective delusions would react strongly to progress under the fear that they are no longer needed. The ending is ambiguous as to whether these parts have sucked her back into delusion or learned to work together to grant her reprieve allowing both fantasy and reality to coexist, accepting her diagnosis and learning how her brain works to locate comfort in her own privately-defined world. I choose to believe the latter. It's an all-around therapeutically-accurate picture, with a mature approach to content that's punched-up with prevalent detailed complexity in the margins compared to most films on the subject. The film is sold by the performances, particularly Kathleen Quinlan who elevates the film to greatness in the central role.