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Posted: **Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:16 am**

You thought the new Duals would be £9.99 off the bat?

Posted: **Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:07 am**

Sorry, perhaps I haven't been following this closely enough, but is everything listed in the September sale getting a dual format release? Or just some of them?

Posted: **Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:08 am**

I'm starting to think that TMDaines just doesn't understand how anything works, period.

Posted: **Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:22 am**

Drucker wrote:Sorry, perhaps I haven't been following this closely enough, but is everything listed in the September sale getting a dual format release? Or just some of them?

Last paragraph here.

Posted: **Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:49 am**

peerpee wrote:You thought the new Duals would be £9.99 off the bat?

Like I said, I saw them as a mere re-printing and nothing new so I presumed they'd be more competively priced - like the BFIs - than they are. This is your 4th release of Sunrise in how many years? I don't blame you for starting them at this price to enjoy the benefits of those who are happy to buy at release for a higher price. I'm happy to wait though.

mfunk9786 wrote:I'm starting to think that TMDaines just doesn't understand how anything works, period.

You really have nothing better to do than just to jibe me all the time? Why are you so obsessed?

Posted: **Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:27 am**

TMDaines wrote:
peerpee wrote:You thought the new Duals would be £9.99 off the bat?
Like I said, I saw them as a mere re-printing and nothing new so I presumed they'd be more competively priced - like the BFIs - than they are. This is your 4th release of Sunrise in how many years? I don't blame you for starting them at this price to enjoy the benefits of those who are happy to buy at release for a higher price. I'm happy to wait though.

I'm answering your points because I think you're being a little unfair.

We lost our entire stock in a fire, so it's a bit much to intimate that we're taking the piss with "our 4th release of SUNRISE in how many years?" -- MoC weren't involved with the first Eureka release, and there were 4/5 years between MoC v1 and v2 which happened because of the Czech print find and Blu-ray.

This Dual Format edition has happened purely because of the fire. It has required a new catalogue number, a new barcode, a new sleeve, and every element has had to be made from scratch in a new print run whose cost was not covered by insurance money (only lost copies were covered, a new print run obviously costs more).

"A mere reprinting" is not what any of this is. We're having to do this for around 140 editions, so we're massively out of pocket, and it's going to take months.

I hope you now have a better understanding of what we're dealing with at this end. Thanks!

Posted: **Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:02 pm**

TMDaines wrote:
peerpee wrote:You thought the new Duals would be £9.99 off the bat?
Like I said, I saw them as a mere re-printing and nothing new so I presumed they'd be more competively priced - like the BFIs - than they are.

Not wanting to attack BFI by any means, but in regard to Dual Format reissues I think it's a bit early to assume their prices are going to be low. As almost all online retailers were selling off the BFI BDs at £5 a pop in preparation for their DVD/BD reissues I think it's safe to assume that were not going to see them re-entering at this price bracket. I'd be surprised if we see them for under £12.99 [unless some dual format reissues have slipped by without me noticing] and aren't these going to be merely re-prints (MichaelB gave that helpful rundown on what the differences were to be) too?

Posted: **Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:56 pm**

I had my cart so full it added up to more than a hundred bucks, so I had to cut it down to the essential -- for now.

So I got "Passe ton bac d'abord" (my only missing Pialat), "La Tête contre les murs" and "Humanity and Paper Balloons". A nice little trio.

Posted: **Tue Sep 06, 2011 6:44 pm**

We know that the prices of the single editions went down, probably in time due to try to boost the sale, but I honestly think that somewhere between £12 and £15 is about the right market placement for a dual edition from such movies, a bit as BFI does.

Just want to remind you the prices of single editions from Criterion, Kino, or much of the French distributors (I've seen 25€ single BDs, most of the time, it's around 20€, with sometimes only the movie, not any combo, or extras, or booklets).

I personally think that MoC has always been on a low pricing range, and will never thank them enough for that, since it's creating huge opportunities to discover movies like Harakiri on such A-Quality releases. I mean, come on ! For £13, you have the Pigs & Battleships + Stolen Desire Dual Edition !

And wait for Touch Of Evil.

By the way Nick, do you plan a "regular" Dual for Metropolis, now that the last ones unfortunately disappeard in the fire ?

Posted: **Tue Sep 06, 2011 7:17 pm**

peerpee wrote:METROPOLIS will be repressed exactly as it currently stands. Separate editions. No modifications.

Posted: **Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:25 am**

Titles from this sale are getting sold out pretty fast!

Posted: **Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:29 am**

peerpee wrote:This Dual Format edition has happened purely because of the fire. It has required a new catalogue number, a new barcode, a new sleeve, and every element has had to be made from scratch in a new print run whose cost was not covered by insurance money (only lost copies were covered, a new print run obviously costs more).

Maybe I'm underestimating the amount of work needed. I just presumed the extra work, in comparison to a re-print, was a quick edit to the Blu-ray cover and then inserting the DVDs into the Blu-ray case.

No offence intended. I just saw this as being positioned in the market as a re-print (some work needed or not) and not a brand new release.

tenia wrote:Just want to remind you the prices of single editions from Criterion, Kino, or much of the French distributors (I've seen 25€ single BDs, most of the time, it's around 20€, with sometimes only the movie, not any combo, or extras, or booklets).

But it's pointless to compare the markets for numerous reasons, not least because Amazon in France, Italy and Germany works off a different business model. Those branches of Amazon have no where near the reach that Amazon UK does for instance. Internet shopping is relatively non-existent in Germany and Italy for sure. America seems to be different again with more regular big sales or discount vouchers. We don't have this same "coupon" buying culture.

bigP wrote:
TMDaines wrote:
peerpee wrote:You thought the new Duals would be £9.99 off the bat?
Like I said, I saw them as a mere re-printing and nothing new so I presumed they'd be more competively priced - like the BFIs - than they are.
Not wanting to attack BFI by any means, but in regard to Dual Format reissues I think it's a bit early to assume their prices are going to be low. As almost all online retailers were selling off the BFI BDs at £5 a pop in preparation for their DVD/BD reissues I think it's safe to assume that were not going to see them re-entering at this price bracket. I'd be surprised if we see them for under £12.99 [unless some dual format reissues have slipped by without me noticing] and aren't these going to be merely re-prints (MichaelB gave that helpful rundown on what the differences were to be) too?

Beyond The Revolution, for example, has been sitting well below that since release pretty much (http://www.find-dvd.co.uk/blu-ray/Befor ... 109630.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;). I haven't been following much of BFI's other stuff in fairness.

Posted: **Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:58 pm**

TMDaines wrote:Internet shopping is relatively non-existent in Germany

=; Please quote a source.

Posted: **Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:15 pm**

TMDaines wrote:
tenia wrote:Just want to remind you the prices of single editions from Criterion, Kino, or much of the French distributors (I've seen 25€ single BDs, most of the time, it's around 20€, with sometimes only the movie, not any combo, or extras, or booklets).
But it's pointless to compare the markets for numerous reasons, not least because Amazon in France, Italy and Germany works off a different business model. Those branches of Amazon have no where near the reach that Amazon UK does for instance. Internet shopping is relatively non-existent in Germany and Italy for sure. America seems to be different again with more regular big sales or discount vouchers. We don't have this same "coupon" buying culture.

I could import CC Harakiri BR, but it's going to cost me much more that the MoC. Choice is easy, and I will go with MoC.

I could also buy the new M German release, but it's going to cost me twice what I paid the MoC BR.

That's comparing markets, and it makes a lot of sense to me.

Posted: **Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:22 pm**

Speaking as an American, MoC prices are generally comparable to Criterions without factoring in the free DVD you get with a dual on MoC's side. In both cases, you can get them for the equivalent of about $15, and if you're impatient it costs more like $25. The difference is that getting those prices on Criterions takes all kinds of work and playing around with discounts and so forth, whereas getting them on an MoC just means waiting for MoC to offer it at that price- it feels much more straightforward to me.

Posted: **Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:43 pm**

Der Spieler wrote:Titles from this sale are getting sold out pretty fast!

I've just seen that Akasen Chitai / Yokihi is sold out. Already having the three other Mizoguchi double features, I hope availability of MoC newsletter will be back soon, since I don't see myself having to buy the whole boxset just for one edition.

Posted: **Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:46 pm**

matrixschmatrix wrote:Speaking as an American, MoC prices are generally comparable to Criterions without factoring in the free DVD you get with a dual on MoC's side. In both cases, you can get them for the equivalent of about $15, and if you're impatient it costs more like $25. The difference is that getting those prices on Criterions takes all kinds of work and playing around with discounts and so forth, whereas getting them on an MoC just means waiting for MoC to offer it at that price- it feels much more straightforward to me.

Hey, how do I get CC BDs for around U$ 15? There are some (those MoC does not release) I would like to get (and sometimes get for much more) and would love to reach these prices. I thank you in advance for the tips.

Posted: **Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:33 pm**

tenia wrote:We know that the prices of the single editions went down, probably in time due to try to boost the sale, but I honestly think that somewhere between £12 and £15 is about the right market placement for a dual edition from such movies, a bit as BFI does.

+1

I love a bargain as much as the next person, but £9.99 as a starting price point is not realistic. I imagine margins are tight for all but the biggest MoC releases, and I personally like to feel I'm helping to keep these niche titles coming by pre-ordering and buying discs close to release. If we all 'waited for the sale', the MoC line wouldn't last long as a viable business.

This week I had the Lubitsch box and Sunrise Dual delivered 2 days(!!) after placing my order. You cannot beat customer service like that, and combined with the care and attention that the MoC team lavish on each and every release I for one am happy to pay £15 for the privilege of ownership of these discs, which - let's face it - may not have seen a release at all.

All I ask? Keep the Silent Blu's coming!

Posted: **Fri Sep 09, 2011 6:00 am**

MB17 wrote:Hey, how do I get CC BDs for around U$ 15? There are some (those MoC does not release) I would like to get (and sometimes get for much more) and would love to reach these prices. I thank you in advance for the tips.

matrixshmatrix said:

matrixschmatrix wrote:In both cases, you can get them for the equivalent of about $15, and if you're impatient it costs more like $25. The difference is that getting those prices on Criterions takes all kinds of work and playing around with discounts and so forth

There's no consistent way to get new $39.99 list price Criterions for $15-16 unless you have a Barnes & Noble membership and live in the US, so you can exploit in-store coupons and get free shipping online. During the biannual half-off Barnes & Noble sales, usually in July and November, if you use 15% off online coupons you can get the BD titles down to $17 + shipping without being a member. Occasionally Amazon and Deep Discount.com have spotlight deals in which they offer specific BDs for more than 50% off. Check the Barnes & Noble, Amazon, Deep Discount/DVD Planet and the Bona Fide Bargain threads on this site regularly for info on sales. I cannot speak to overseas shipping issues.

Posted: **Fri Sep 09, 2011 1:13 pm**

Also, many of the more popular blus, which have been out a while, can easily be acquired for 15 bucks on Amazon used (8 1/2, M).

Craziest prices I'm seeing right now are SD-DVD Bergmans (Cries and Wishipers, Fanny and Alexander Theatrical) down to like 5 bucks.

Posted: **Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:43 pm**

Appreciate the help. matrixschmatrix had already answered me privately. I have previously used the BN 50%. I get the coupons thing now. Thanks.

Posted: **Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:29 pm**

Does anyone know of any online retailer still selling copies of the Blu edition of La Planete Savuage. I want to round off my collection before they start bringing the early spine numbers out in Dual Format (the lack of consistency would drive my mild, self-diagnosed OCD crazy).

Posted: **Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:17 pm**

I'd assume they would keep the Blu Ray spine numbers rather than the DVD ones considering which is the superior and newer format?

Posted: **Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:22 pm**

jamie_atp wrote:I'd assume they would keep the Blu Ray spine numbers rather than the DVD ones considering which is the superior and newer format?

Oh of course, sorry for my lack of clarity. I meant in terms of blue cases against clear cases and general thickness, rather than in terms of spine number.

Posted: **Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:48 pm**

How does your OCD cope with the recent Antonioni, Epstein, Imamura releases in clear cases? All our future releases will be in clear cases. I can't deal with it either, I'm having a clear out, to make way for the clear cases.

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